3:12 p.m.
xmms is (imho) the best music player that ships with FC simply from a
usability standpoint, small screen footprint etc.
However, it does not use the gtk2 interface and does not use the
gstreamer backend.
I found what I think would be a good replacement - it currently does
not work for me, so it has that against it, but that may be because I
updated my gstreamer plugins from stock fc3 (to 0.8.6) though that
hasn't effected other gstreamer apps.
It's called eina - http://bolgo.cent.uji.es/proyectos/eina-en
It has a very small screen footprint, and simple easy to use interface.
It works for me up to the point of actually playing a song, then it
hangs (I've only tried mp3 - I haven't tried flac or ogg). But I think
it is worth looking into for possible inclusion in Fedora Extras and
eventual replacement of xmms, which doesn't seem interested in gtk2 or
gstreamer support.
4:42 p.m.
Hi Michael,
On Sun, 2004-11-28 at 22:12, Michael A. Peters wrote:
[..]
It's called eina - http://bolgo.cent.uji.es/proyectos/eina-en
I've actually played with it. It suffers from the problems of being very
young. It sometimes hangs, it crashes when doing weird crazy stuff. The
stuff that other, more mature players, already got around to. Rhythmbox
has a minimal player mode than I enjoy a lot.
Its interface is good though, gotta admit that. But there's more to it
than the looks. :).
Ronald
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Ronald S. Bultje <rbultje(a)ronald.bitfreak.net>
5:29 p.m.
On Sun, 2004-11-28 at 23:42 +0100, Ronald S. Bultje wrote:
Hi Michael,
On Sun, 2004-11-28 at 22:12, Michael A. Peters wrote:
[..]
> It's called eina - http://bolgo.cent.uji.es/proyectos/eina-en
I've actually played with it. It suffers from the problems of being very
young. It sometimes hangs, it crashes when doing weird crazy stuff. The
stuff that other, more mature players, already got around to. Rhythmbox
has a minimal player mode than I enjoy a lot.
Its interface is good though, gotta admit that. But there's more to it
than the looks. :).
I only wish rhythmbox could play a song w/o having to import it into the
library, first.
Sometimes I just want to play a song, or a set of songs.
Rhythmbox does a lot of things well, but it doesn't have a 'play this
one song' mode.
-sv
5:43 p.m.
seth vidal wrote:
I only wish rhythmbox could play a song w/o having to import it into
the
library, first.
Sometimes I just want to play a song, or a set of songs.
Rhythmbox does a lot of things well, but it doesn't have a 'play this
one song' mode.
I second that - iTunes suffers from the same problem (I think). I guess
it's the inherent split between using files/directories as your music
management vs. using an internal database (with genres, artists, and
albums).
Steven Garrity
5:56 p.m.
Totem offers this kind of functionality, and because both rhythmbox and
totem uses gstreamer, I would think we already have a good solution for
both of the playback scenarios with minimum hassle.
søn, 28,.11.2004 kl. 19.43 -0400, skrev Steven Garrity:
seth vidal wrote:
> I only wish rhythmbox could play a song w/o having to import it into the
> library, first.
>
> Sometimes I just want to play a song, or a set of songs.
> Rhythmbox does a lot of things well, but it doesn't have a 'play this
> one song' mode.
I second that - iTunes suffers from the same problem (I think). I guess
it's the inherent split between using files/directories as your music
management vs. using an internal database (with genres, artists, and
albums).
Steven Garrity
--
Sindre Pedersen Bjordal <foolish(a)fedoraforum.org>
www.fedoraforum.org
6:14 p.m.
On 11/28/2004 03:56:17 PM, Sindre Pedersen Bjordal wrote:
Totem offers this kind of functionality, and because both rhythmbox
and
totem uses gstreamer, I would think we already have a good solution
for
both of the playback scenarios with minimum hassle.
Yes, and I currently use totem that way. Hopefully in fc4 totem will be
in default gnome desktop install, rather than needing to be selected.
But totem has a rather large interface when it starts up, it in a movie
player.
Something like xmms but gtk2 and GStreamer is what I long for. Gamp is
nice, and even works well for me - even with aac files (which Rhythmbox
doesn't - yet ...) but Eina has the best interface I've seen (so far)
and (well, it doesn't work for me) allows you to load a single song or
load from a playlist.
6:56 p.m.
Michael A. Peters wrote:
Sindre Pedersen Bjordal wrote:
> Totem offers this kind of functionality, and because both rhythmbox
> and totem uses gstreamer, I would think we already have a good solution
> both of the playback scenarios with minimum hassle.
Yes, and I currently use totem that way. Hopefully in fc4 totem will be
in default gnome desktop install, rather than needing to be selected.
But totem has a rather large interface when it starts up, it in a movie
player.
Something like xmms but gtk2 and GStreamer is what I long for. Gamp is
nice, and even works well for me - even with aac files (which Rhythmbox
doesn't - yet ...) but Eina has the best interface I've seen (so far)
and (well, it doesn't work for me) allows you to load a single song or
load from a playlist.
Totem always has a simple set of audio/video controls and simple
playlist abilities. I'd rather see Totem tweaked a bit to be a good XMMS
replacement rather than introduce ANOTHER media player.
Not sure what the Helix player is doing in here - works well, but seems
redundant with Totem/Rhythmbox. Perhaps it's in here because of
RealNetworks/Redhat agreements?
Steven Garrity
7:41 p.m.
On Sun, 2004-11-28 at 19:43 -0400, Steven Garrity wrote:
seth vidal wrote:
> I only wish rhythmbox could play a song w/o having to import it into the
> library, first.
>
> Sometimes I just want to play a song, or a set of songs.
> Rhythmbox does a lot of things well, but it doesn't have a 'play this
> one song' mode.
I second that - iTunes suffers from the same problem (I think). I guess
it's the inherent split between using files/directories as your music
management vs. using an internal database (with genres, artists, and
albums).
File bugs ;-)
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156181
Cheers,
~ Bryan
10:44 p.m.
On 11/28/2004 04:56:55 PM, Steven Garrity wrote:
Not sure what the Helix player is doing in here - works well, but
seems redundant with Totem/Rhythmbox. Perhaps it's in here because of
RealNetworks/Redhat agreements?
Maybe - but a number of people are just using RealPlayer10 anyway -
which is allegedly more capable than Helix (I haven't tried either).
3:31 a.m.
They want to make their first steps into the Open Source world and see
if they can build an ecosystem around their dead products and dead
technologies. Probably a plugin for their Helix player is compatible
with RealPlayer too, and they want to see plugins popping around.
Nobody told them that if Helix can't play MP3, WMA, RM, MPEG and other
basic stuff we use, nobody will use it, and without users you can't
build an ecosystem.
Good luck for them. They'll need it.
Regards,
Avi
On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 04:44:32 +0000, Michael A. Peters <mpeters(a)mac.com> wrote:
On 11/28/2004 04:56:55 PM, Steven Garrity wrote:
> Not sure what the Helix player is doing in here - works well, but
> seems redundant with Totem/Rhythmbox. Perhaps it's in here because of
> RealNetworks/Redhat agreements?
Maybe - but a number of people are just using RealPlayer10 anyway -
which is allegedly more capable than Helix (I haven't tried either).
4:21 a.m.
sön 2004-11-28 klockan 20:56 -0400 skrev Steven Garrity:
Not sure what the Helix player is doing in here - works well, but
seems
redundant with Totem/Rhythmbox. Perhaps it's in here because of
RealNetworks/Redhat agreements?
It's got a browser plugin just like RealPlayer, but of course there's
not much content available for it.
Hopefully, some day there will be Vorbis and Theora plugins available as
automatic updates in RealPlayer for Windows. Then maybe web sites will
start streaming using those formats so that the current support in FC3
becomes useful.
/abo
4:32 a.m.
On Mon, 2004-11-29 at 10:31, Avi Alkalay wrote:
They want to make their first steps into the Open Source world and
see
if they can build an ecosystem around their dead products and dead
technologies. Probably a plugin for their Helix player is compatible
with RealPlayer too, and they want to see plugins popping around.
If they were really serious about their efforts to set a foot into the
world of free software, they'd make plugins (which don't even have to be
GPL'ed, mind you!) available to play Realmedia content using GStreamer.
I've even offered to write those plugins for them, for free (see the
GNOME d-d-l archives)! The whole GNOME and KDE desktop would suddenly
play realmedia files.
But as we all know, it's really just a joke. They don't care about the
free software world. They need users to get funding for their paid
content. Very disappointing.
Ronald
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Ronald S. Bultje <rbultje(a)ronald.bitfreak.net>
12:19 p.m.
On 11/29/2004 02:32:30 AM, Ronald S. Bultje wrote:
If they were really serious about their efforts to set a foot into
the
world of free software, they'd make plugins (which don't even have to
be
GPL'ed, mind you!) available to play Realmedia content using
GStreamer.
I've even offered to write those plugins for them, for free (see the
GNOME d-d-l archives)! The whole GNOME and KDE desktop would suddenly
play realmedia files.
Yes - that would be nice.
I'm hoping for the day (it doesn't look like it's coming anytime soon)
when Apple releases a fairplay plugin for GStreamer so that I don't
have to jump through hoops to play iTMS songs in Linux.
I like the iTMS music store, I'm not a huge customer, but I've spent
about $200 there since the Windows launch, and I would buy more if I
could play the songs in Linux (the OS I use 95+% of the time) without
needing a burn/re-rip.
I'm hoping for the day when divx.com releases a plugin that lets me
play rented divx movies in Totem - already the GStreamer plugin for
divx is quite good, The HD divx movie trailers play smoother for me in
totem than they do on the same hardware in Windows. That may be more
likely to happen, divx seems at least somewhat friendly to linux, with
free periodic releases of their library including header files needed
for developers.
3:47 p.m.
On Mon, 2004-11-29 at 19:19, Michael A. Peters wrote:
[..]
I'm hoping for the day when divx.com releases a plugin that lets
me
play rented divx movies in Totem - already the GStreamer plugin for
divx is quite good, The HD divx movie trailers play smoother for me in
totem than they do on the same hardware in Windows. That may be more
likely to happen, divx seems at least somewhat friendly to linux, with
free periodic releases of their library including header files needed
for developers.
DivX has been a decent (not perfect, but still decent) Linux player so
far. We're hoping that with the settlement of GStreamer as the default
media component across desktops on the Linux platform, distributors like
Apple will slowly start to pay attention to us.
However, that's probably a multi-year thing. I wouldn't expect it to
happen instantly. We'll have to live with the (legally questionable)
hacks for now - stuff that unfortunately cannot be shipped in Fedora...
:-(.
Ronald
--
Ronald S. Bultje <rbultje(a)ronald.bitfreak.net>
4:01 p.m.
man, 29.11.2004 kl. 19.19 skrev Michael A. Peters:
On 11/29/2004 02:32:30 AM, Ronald S. Bultje wrote:
>
> If they were really serious about their efforts to set a foot into
> the
> world of free software, they'd make plugins (which don't even have to
> be
> GPL'ed, mind you!) available to play Realmedia content using
> GStreamer.
> I've even offered to write those plugins for them, for free (see the
> GNOME d-d-l archives)! The whole GNOME and KDE desktop would suddenly
> play realmedia files.
Yes - that would be nice.
I'm hoping for the day (it doesn't look like it's coming anytime soon)
when Apple releases a fairplay plugin for GStreamer so that I don't
have to jump through hoops to play iTMS songs in Linux.
I like the iTMS music store, I'm not a huge customer, but I've spent
about $200 there since the Windows launch, and I would buy more if I
could play the songs in Linux (the OS I use 95+% of the time) without
needing a burn/re-rip.
Ain't gonna happen. Linux and gstreamer is *open source*, which means
anybody who want can hack their own perfect-digital-copying-of-audio
thingy in below itunes. oops.
What would probably be a better idea, is to come up with a free DRM
codec (shrug) - probably something that could "wrap" around for instance
theorea.
It could be public/private key-based - and those "max hops" (max
computer's you are allowed to use it on) could be provided by the
hostkeys (as used by ssh etc.)
Problem again is that it would be easy "hackable" because of its
open-source nature, and therefore not likely to be adopted by the
industry. This is exactly why m$ (etc) wants "secure (for the media)
computing" - to shackle formats...
And yes, Apple will have to follow if they want any business with DRM.
(i.e. if they want to do any business with the recording/film/etc
industry). What that would do to the (if i am not completely wrong)
(today) free darwin kernel, i dont want to think about.
4:43 p.m.
On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 23:37:06 +0100, Ronald S. Bultje
<rbultje(a)ronald.bitfreak.net> wrote:
On Mon, 2004-11-29 at 22:52, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote:
> Neither can a properitary, vendor-delivered codec.
People ship Shockwave legally.
There are two issues one is legality and one is policy.
If its deemed illegal by Red Hat legal to ship.. its not shipped in Core.
If its deemed legal but it is not open source, current Fedora Core
policy.. prevents it from shipping. The Core policy and mission is to
distribute a fully open-source distribution. So even if a vendor
produces a re-distributable closed source binary for a propretary
codec.. its not going to be available as part of Core.
-jef"doesn't suggest you hold your breath waiting for the policy to
change"spaleta
5:23 p.m.
On Mon, 2004-11-29 at 17:43 -0500, Jeff Spaleta wrote:
[snip]
-jef"doesn't suggest you hold your breath waiting for the
policy to
change"spaleta
And if you decide not to heed Jeff's advice here, you just may
suffocate due to plenty of people like *me* lobbying *hard* to prevent
that policy from ever being changed.
;-)
--
-Paul Iadonisi
Senior System Administrator
Red Hat Certified Engineer / Local Linux Lobbyist
Ever see a penguin fly? -- Try Linux.
GPL all the way: Sell services, don't lease secrets
8:22 p.m.
On 11/29/2004 02:43:27 PM, Jeff Spaleta wrote:
On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 23:37:06 +0100, Ronald S. Bultje
<rbultje(a)ronald.bitfreak.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 2004-11-29 at 22:52, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote:
> > Neither can a properitary, vendor-delivered codec.
>
> People ship Shockwave legally.
There are two issues one is legality and one is policy.
If its deemed illegal by Red Hat legal to ship.. its not shipped in
Core.
If its deemed legal but it is not open source, current Fedora Core
policy.. prevents it from shipping.
To be honest that's fine by me - I don't mind downloading from a
vendors site. Sure it would be nice if Fedora came with absolutely
everything I wanted - but realistically it never will, even for
software that does meet policy, and downloading from other sources is
the reallity. And that's true with any desktop OS.
9:12 a.m.
On Mon, Nov 29, 2004 at 06:19:36PM +0000, Michael A. Peters wrote:
I like the iTMS music store, I'm not a huge customer, but
I've spent
about $200 there since the Windows launch, and I would buy more if I
could play the songs in Linux (the OS I use 95+% of the time) without
needing a burn/re-rip.
There's always folks like magnatune.com who do provide unencumbered ogg
and have some interesting stuff.
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