On Sun, 2004-10-31 at 09:16 -0800, Park Lee wrote: if you are about to buy a notebook... the key issue in my experience is the video chipset. In my experience the intel video based laptops work well, while nvidia/ati are more cumbersome (even with the binary drivers), however the gaming performance will be lower than with nvidia/ati. Other than that.... make sure you buy a laptop with speedstep or similar, the battery life and heat production matter a lot. oh and google before buying for the model and linux, quite often others wrote about their experiences (and once you get yours, write your own page :-)

Arjan van de Ven wrote: I would avoid Intel graphics. Nvidia works out of the box even with the opensource driver... and except for brand new releases of FC, their binary driver work well. Intel graphics are painful. They are integrated with the BIOSes, and needed special hacks just to get some video memory earlier... and stick suck badly wrt. to getting proper display modes too I thought Intel was great, and Nvidia bad. Experience has taught me otherwise.

Moreover, making suspend/resume work on laptop with ACPI is currently like playing roulette at Vegas. Sometimes you win, most often the house wins handily. However, you don't ever lose data, so its worth a try. On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:49:47 +0100, Arjan van de Ven <arjanv(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:

On 10/31/2004 01:31:45 PM, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: I've had nothing but good experiences with thinkpads and linux. Modem doesn't always work - even when following IBM's instructions - but modems are archaic. What I really liked about thinkpads (at least the older models, all I've used) is that they had three buttons for the mouse, great for X11. I don't know if modern thinkpads are 3 button or not, never used one.

On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 13:28:10 +0800, Jeff Pitman <symbiont(a)berlios.de&gt; wrote: I'd have to second the first opinion. All my hardware, works very well. ACPI is known to be broken on it, but APM works very well. Suspend-to-RAM and Suspend-to-Disk (hibernate) work for me. I just had to make sure I had a hibernate partition for hibernate to work. I've had a fake uptime of almost 1-month at one time because of hibernate. cpuspeed doesn't work too well as I've been seeing recently. It keeps at the lower speed, and I have to manually poke it to make it go up to 1.8ghz. Of note is that even with the fan on, a full 100% of setiathome gets the laptop up to 76 degrees. Hot! Thank goodness it hasn't melted. I would like to note that my middle button on my T30 works as long as I do not plug in my USB mouse. If I plug it in while booting, the whole pointing-stick and it's respective button combination don't work. If I boot without the USB mouse, they all work, including middle button. This was stock install of FC2, up to this point with the latest updates, without any changes to xorg.conf. Kudzu for laptop-detection would be nice. But then nothing beats the first-hand experience of someone else who has actually tried out the Fedora Core and Laptop combination. We all know automating hardware detection doesn't always work out correctly. dex

On Mon, 1 Nov 2004, Dexter Ang wrote: With FC3 cpuspeed defaults changed from '-i 20' to '-i 2' - so the ramp-up from the lowest freq should be faster. (I use '-i 1'). But ideally cpuspeed should also support the option '--ignore-intermediate-freq'. Satish

On Sun, 2004-10-31 at 13:04, Amitabha Roy wrote: Heh. At least you'd hope that this would be true. I had a different experience under FC2 in any case, with massive filesystem corruption, but there may have been operator error involved. On that notebook I haven't dared play with it again though... /Per