On Tue, 9 Jun 2015 19:31:01 +0200 Andreas Tunek <andreas.tunek(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: Yeah. It has for many years... What part of the process is proving to be difficult? If you aren't registered and try and join #fedora it sends you to #fedora-unregistered where the entry message, topic and a bot all give you links showing how to register. Is there something that could be more clear here? Well, you are welcome to file a ticket and request that with the irc support sig: https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ But I don't think it's too likely to happen for a lot of reasons: * Originally the registration was put in place when there were floods of racist ranter bots on freenode. They are much less common now, but I still see them in unregistered from time to time. * There's also a lot of drive by spam and trollers that get caught by registration. kevin

On Wed, 10 Jun 2015 11:18:56 +0000 Chaoyi Zha <cydrobolt(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote: Well, you signed up to this list to post this right? ;) kevin

On Wed, 2015-06-10 at 11:20 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: Please also note that the IRC is not the only place we provide support. Users that aren't technical enough to sign up at the IRC can use http://ask.fedoraproject.org - which is really easy to use. -- Thanks, Regards, Ankur Sinha "FranciscoD" http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ankursinha

2015-06-10 20:11 GMT+02:00 Gerald B. Cox <gbcox(a)bzb.us&gt;: This is the actual instruction for registering taken from here: https://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup My comments are in the <<< parts. What is the recommended way to set up my IRC nickname? Please follow these steps to set up your nick and configure your client. Check off each step to make sure it's been done: Select a permanent, master nickname. If the nickname you want is registered but has expired, just ask a staffer and in most cases, we will be happy to drop it for you. Please avoid using the name of a community project or trademarked entity, to avoid conflicts. Write down your password and be sure to keep the sheet of paper in a safe place. Register your IRC nick: /msg NickServ REGISTER password youremail(a)example.com <<<< Where do I type this? Maybe if you are an experienced irc user you would know where, but most people in the world arent. Replace password with a secure, unguessable password that you keep secret. The email address that you select will not be given out by staff, and is mainly used to allow us to help you recover the account in the event that you forget your password. For this reason, you are required to use a real, non-disposable, email address. Upon registering, you will receive an email with a verification command that you will need to run to complete the registration process. Failure to verify the account will cause it to be automatically dropped after about 24 hours. To keep your email address private, rather than displaying it publicly, mark it as hidden (which is done by default for new accounts): /msg NickServ SET HIDEMAIL ON It's useful, but not required, to have an alternate nick grouped to your account. For example, if your primary nick is foo: /nick foo_ then identify to your primary account: /msg NickServ IDENTIFY foo password and finally, group the new nick to your account /msg NickServ GROUP <<<Do I need to do this? We prefer you to use just one account, and group nicks to it as described above, rather than registering for multiple accounts. Grouping nicks in this way gives you the benefit of having all your nicks covered by the same cloak, should you choose to wear a cloak. The exception to this is where you might want to run a bot. You should register a separate account for your bot. Configure your client to identify itself to NickServ automatically whenever it connects to freenode so that it's less likely you'll connect to the network without being identified to NickServ. The easiest approach is to specify your NickServ password as a server password. If your client supports server password, please set this up as accountname:password. Make sure to include the colon. This will allow you to identify to your services account on connect, regardless of the nickname you are using when you connect. For example: /connect chat.freenode.net 6667 mquin:uwhY8wgzWw22-zXs.M39p I did not understand where to write the commands in Polari (the highest rated IRC client in Fedora Software), but maybe it is easier in other clients? /Andreas

2015-06-10 21:51 GMT+02:00 Gerald B. Cox <gbcox(a)bzb.us&gt;: Yeah, you have to do a lot of quite complicated stuff before you can register and get any support via irc. To register to this mailing list you just send an email (or can you fill in a form as well). /Andreas

On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 01:50:31PM -0700, Gerald B. Cox wrote: Also IRC is either not archived and made searchable, or where it is archived it's usually hard to follow the conversation thread. Therefore we answer questions on IRC over and over and over again. (In #libguestfs I try to add such questions to our FAQ, when I have the time and remember to do it). https://ask.fedoraproject.org or mailing lists are a much better solution. Rich. -- Richard Jones, Virtualization Group, Red Hat http://people.redhat.com/~rjones Read my programming and virtualization blog: http://rwmj.wordpress.com Fedora Windows cross-compiler. Compile Windows programs, test, and build Windows installers. Over 100 libraries supported. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MinGW

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 02:36:08PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: I'd be very much in favor of something which lowers the barrier to participation here. IRC isn't hard once you're used to it, but NickServ, ChanServ, Zodbot, etc., add a layer of confusion and complication. It's not just newbies and non-geeks that we're shutting out. Only a small percentage of tech people - sysadmins, developers, etc. - have a working familiarity with IRC. It'd be especially nice to have something which could integrate with FAS and with the Fedora Hubs. -- Matthew Miller <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; Fedora Project Leader

On 10/14/2015 02:19 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: So the intention with hubs is that it would have a web based chat interface that would use IRC. So if you prefer your old IRC client, keep using it; if you're a newbie and not familiar with IRC and want to communicate with Fedora folks, use Hubs chat (which is actually just the same IRC channels under the covers.) Same thing with mailing lists / hyperkitty. If you prefer mailing lists, fine, stick with mutt or pine or $CLIENT_OF_CHOICE. If you're not into mailing lists you can read the messages and engage in convo directly in the hubs interface (we'll probably embed pieces of hyperkitty to do this) We haven't thought too much about ask integration with hubs yet bc there was a GSoC project this summer to redesign the UI, but at some point we could integrate that too. So the idea behind hubs is to enable folks who don't want to use the raw services but still want to participate in Fedora to do so. Does that make more sense / seem more coherent? ~m

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 02:40:26PM -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote: Is there a plan for dealing with IRC nicks and the Hubs chat? -- Matthew Miller <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; Fedora Project Leader

On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 08:15:50AM -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote: Most of us have this set up in our clients so long that we've forgotten about it, but the process of registering a new nick with Freenode drops people right in the middle of IRC esoterica before they're even able to get started. -- Matthew Miller <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; Fedora Project Leader

2015-10-15 14:27 GMT+02:00 Matthew Miller <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;: I have been able to test Linux patches (within Fedora) but I haven't been able to register my nick at Freenode.

On 10/15/2015 02:33 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: FWIW the hubs IRC client was the new thing in my mind. If there's something else being proposed I'm not sure what (I tried reading back in the thread but I'm not sure what an additional thing would be on top of what's already in the plan?) I mean the way we've mocked it up in hubs, the hubs chat UI is basically going to make interacting with other Fedorans on IRC like chatting using the facebook or G+ web apps, big difference is that the chat windows on team/project hubs are going to the be the channel, not one-to-one convos (which are also in the design, but on user profiles, not team/project hubs.) My hope is it'll allow newbies to use IRC without having to worry or even know it's really IRC. ~m

On 10/15/2015 12:44 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: I think Hubs would essentially be that thing. Especially with the planned integration with the meetbot logs + fedocal :) ~m

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 11:19:00AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: Well, mailing lists -> hyperkitty. Ideally, The New Thing would completely replace IRC eventually. And, especially with how we're using Ask, like a web forum rather than like the Stack Exchange sites it superficially resembles, I'd like to eventually migrate that to HyperKitty too. -- Matthew Miller <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; Fedora Project Leader