What is this policy today? Who does the testing before an update is released for large numbers of users to install via yum?
I am wondering, not because there are very many bad updates (99% of them are OK), but i simply wonder - who does this? And who does this for extras?
Personally, i would believe a q&a mailinglist and a "testing" repo for yum could be a good idea, in order to get packages as good tested as possible - as fast as possible.
Kyrre
On Thu, 2005-01-27 at 19:46 +0100, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote:
Personally, i would believe a q&a mailinglist and a "testing" repo for yum could be a good idea, in order to get packages as good tested as possible - as fast as possible.
There is a testing repo, its called updates-testing (look in /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora-updates-testing.repo). Discussion of that happens at fedora-test-list@redhat.com as do the announcements for new packages
However, I don't think many folk test it and QA it, and it usually gets pushed out as an update (updates-released) within a couple of days
So, whats your issue with an update that Core had?
--- Colin Charles byte@aeon.com.my wrote:
On Thu, 2005-01-27 at 19:46 +0100, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote:
Personally, i would believe a q&a mailinglist and
a "testing" repo for
yum could be a good idea, in order to get packages
as good tested as
possible - as fast as possible.
There is a testing repo, its called updates-testing (look in /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora-updates-testing.repo). Discussion of that happens at fedora-test-list@redhat.com as do the announcements for new packages
However, I don't think many folk test it and QA it, and it usually gets pushed out as an update (updates-released) within a couple of days
So, whats your issue with an update that core had?
there were several regressions. kernels, gui for firewall with relation to selinux, network manager and so on. I am sure many of them are well know if you search in the users list and bugzilla
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fre, 28.01.2005 kl. 10.53 skrev Rahul Sundaram:
--- Colin Charles byte@aeon.com.my wrote:
On Thu, 2005-01-27 at 19:46 +0100, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote:
Personally, i would believe a q&a mailinglist and
a "testing" repo for
yum could be a good idea, in order to get packages
as good tested as
possible - as fast as possible.
There is a testing repo, its called updates-testing (look in /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora-updates-testing.repo). Discussion of that happens at fedora-test-list@redhat.com as do the announcements for new packages
However, I don't think many folk test it and QA it, and it usually gets pushed out as an update (updates-released) within a couple of days
So, whats your issue with an update that core had?
there were several regressions. kernels, gui for firewall with relation to selinux, network manager and so on. I am sure many of them are well know if you search in the users list and bugzilla
And now, the openoffice bug. Major one (wrong shortcuts i think it was)
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote:
fre, 28.01.2005 kl. 10.53 skrev Rahul Sundaram:
--- Colin Charles byte@aeon.com.my wrote:
On Thu, 2005-01-27 at 19:46 +0100, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote:
Personally, i would believe a q&a mailinglist and
a "testing" repo for
yum could be a good idea, in order to get packages
as good tested as
possible - as fast as possible.
There is a testing repo, its called updates-testing (look in /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora-updates-testing.repo). Discussion of that happens at fedora-test-list@redhat.com as do the announcements for new packages
However, I don't think many folk test it and QA it, and it usually gets pushed out as an update (updates-released) within a couple of days
So, whats your issue with an update that core had?
there were several regressions. kernels, gui for firewall with relation to selinux, network manager and so on. I am sure many of them are well know if you search in the users list and bugzilla
And now, the openoffice bug. Major one (wrong shortcuts i think it was)
Fix is waiting on releng to get pushed. Main cause was updating the tarball to latest supposedly "stable" ooo-build sources, into which Novell had pushed a few broken patches. Will be more careful in the future, but the 1.1.2->1.1.3 transition was difficult and people really seemed to want 1.1.3 for some reason.
Dan
fre, 28.01.2005 kl. 10.43 skrev Colin Charles:
On Thu, 2005-01-27 at 19:46 +0100, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote:
Personally, i would believe a q&a mailinglist and a "testing" repo for yum could be a good idea, in order to get packages as good tested as possible - as fast as possible.
There is a testing repo, its called updates-testing (look in /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora-updates-testing.repo). Discussion of that happens at fedora-test-list@redhat.com as do the announcements for new packages
However, I don't think many folk test it and QA it, and it usually gets pushed out as an update (updates-released) within a couple of days
So, whats your issue with an update that Core had?
Can't remember it rigth now (except my AWE 64 ISA sound board won't work with the fc2 2.6.10 kernel...), but there has been others too.
I acctually *am* on the test list and has been for ½ a year, but i more or less thought this was a list for the test releases leading up to the release of a stable version - and as a generally "low traffic/high clue" version of the users list when not used for this purpose. Seems like i was wrong.
What about informing people on this, having a system where developers from RH (core) and non-RH (extras) can ask for Q&A? A simpler system might also be a bettetr system IMO.
On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 21:53:04 +0100, Kyrre Ness Sjobak kyrre@solution-forge.net wrote:
What about informing people on this, having a system where developers from RH (core) and non-RH (extras) can ask for Q&A? A simpler system might also be a bettetr system IMO.
I've seen very little evidence that Red Hat packagers are interested in a policy that enforces specific QA steps as policy for 'all' updates. And be aware that the issue of 'strict' QA policy gets complicated by the existence of security updates. To be fair.. i do believe the kernel packagers have been populating updates-testing tree in a timely manner to get as much community feedback as they can. There is an kernel in updates-testing right now in fact.
I do what I can to encourage Core package maintainers to use updates-testing as much as possible, and my encouragement becomes proportionally more aggressive when a notice a regression slip through in an non-security update. My eye-poking stick has become quite blunt and sticky slick with blood from the effort to 'encourage' packagers to use -testing.
-jef"place my last sentence here"spaleta
On Fri, 2005-01-28 at 21:53 +0100, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote:
Can't remember it rigth now (except my AWE 64 ISA sound board won't work with the fc2 2.6.10 kernel...), but there has been others too.
File a bug in Bugzilla
I acctually *am* on the test list and has been for ½ a year, but i more or less thought this was a list for the test releases leading up to the release of a stable version - and as a generally "low traffic/high clue" version of the users list when not used for this purpose. Seems like i was wrong.
updates-testing "advisories" (announcements really) are posted to fedora-test-lits@redhat.com
This is the development list, for general development issues and whatever we lead up to FC(n+1)
When we do release FC(n+1) test X, those discussions get moved to fedora-test-list@redhat.com
On Sat, 2005-01-29 at 21:44 +0100, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote:
When we do release FC(n+1) test X, those discussions get moved to fedora-test-list@redhat.com
Where does update testing go then?
Same list as above. If the information at the respective lists aren't clear, please e-mail fedora-test-list-owner@redhat.com, as this is now seriously becomming off-topic
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