4:23 p.m.
I have installed Fedora 17/18/19 (selected Minimal installation) from
DVD and it completed successfully, however there is no tar tool.
Was this change intentional? Thoughts?
Thanks!
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Douglas
4:27 p.m.
On Tue, 2013-07-30 at 17:23 -0400, Douglas Schilling Landgraf wrote:
I have installed Fedora 17/18/19 (selected Minimal installation) from
DVD and it completed successfully, however there is no tar tool.
Was this change intentional? Thoughts?
Why do you say 'change'? From a quick look in comps, tar has never been
in the 'minimal' group (which was called @base up until a few releases
ago and is now called @core).
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4:44 p.m.
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Adam Williamson <awilliam(a)redhat.com> wrote:
On Tue, 2013-07-30 at 17:23 -0400, Douglas Schilling Landgraf wrote:
> I have installed Fedora 17/18/19 (selected Minimal installation) from
> DVD and it completed successfully, however there is no tar tool.
It's missing screen, vim, and a bunch of other "core" utilities too.
Fedora seems to be moving toward a @core that has essentially the
fewest packages possible to boot.
> Was this change intentional? Thoughts?
Why do you say 'change'? From a quick look in comps, tar has never been
in the 'minimal' group (which was called @base up until a few releases
ago and is now called @core).
What would it take to get a group like @core, but immediately usable
for most actual work (tar missing? really?)?
I think there are a significant number of Fedora users, like Adam, and
myself, who would use this instead of @core, given the option.
4:59 p.m.
On Tue, 2013-07-30 at 16:44 -0500, Billy Crook wrote:
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Adam Williamson
<awilliam(a)redhat.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 2013-07-30 at 17:23 -0400, Douglas Schilling Landgraf wrote:
>> I have installed Fedora 17/18/19 (selected Minimal installation) from
>> DVD and it completed successfully, however there is no tar tool.
It's missing screen, vim, and a bunch of other "core" utilities too.
Fedora seems to be moving toward a @core that has essentially the
fewest packages possible to boot.
>> Was this change intentional? Thoughts?
>
> Why do you say 'change'? From a quick look in comps, tar has never been
> in the 'minimal' group (which was called @base up until a few releases
> ago and is now called @core).
What would it take to get a group like @core, but immediately usable
for most actual work (tar missing? really?)?
That would be @standard.
I think there are a significant number of Fedora users, like Adam,
and
myself, who would use this instead of @core, given the option.
I don't know why you're reading that into my post. I use @core and I
like it, and I'd prefer it to be as minimal as possible.
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5:33 p.m.
On Jul 30, 2013, at 3:59 PM, Adam Williamson <awilliam(a)redhat.com> wrote:
I don't know why you're reading that into my post. I use @core and I
like it, and I'd prefer it to be as minimal as possible.
The one quibble with @core I have is I'd like an option in the installer for Minimal
to also get man pages installed. About as close to that I can get is the Infrastructure
packageset.
Chris Murphy
5:38 p.m.
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 04:33:53PM -0600, Chris Murphy wrote:
On Jul 30, 2013, at 3:59 PM, Adam Williamson
<awilliam(a)redhat.com> wrote:
> I don't know why you're reading that into my post. I use @core and I
> like it, and I'd prefer it to be as minimal as possible.
The one quibble with @core I have is I'd like an option in the installer
for Minimal to also get man pages installed. About as close to that I can
get is the Infrastructure packageset.
Which man pages? man-db is in @core, and many packages (like, say,
util-linux) ship with their own.
I actually would like to see more granularity here; documenation takes up a
really good chunk of the minimal install set, it'd be nice to more easily
leave it behind in a way which also makes it easy to add when needed.
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5:53 p.m.
Once upon a time, Billy Crook <billycrook(a)gmail.com> said:
It's missing screen, vim, and a bunch of other "core"
utilities too.
Fedora seems to be moving toward a @core that has essentially the
fewest packages possible to boot.
That's kind of the definition of core - the minimum required to boot and
install additional packages. Core hasn't changed much in a while; if
you want vim-enhanced (vim-minimal is in Core), screen, etc., then
install more than just Core.
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Chris Adams <linux(a)cmadams.net>
10:12 a.m.
Adam Williamson (awilliam(a)redhat.com) said:
On Tue, 2013-07-30 at 17:23 -0400, Douglas Schilling Landgraf wrote:
> I have installed Fedora 17/18/19 (selected Minimal installation) from
> DVD and it completed successfully, however there is no tar tool.
>
> Was this change intentional? Thoughts?
Why do you say 'change'? From a quick look in comps, tar has never been
in the 'minimal' group (which was called @base up until a few releases
ago and is now called @core).
Formerly, it was pulled in by 'sos' in base/standard - it's now explicitly
listed there.
Bill
10:19 a.m.
On 08/07/2013 04:12 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote:
Adam Williamson (awilliam(a)redhat.com) said:
> On Tue, 2013-07-30 at 17:23 -0400, Douglas Schilling Landgraf wrote:
>> I have installed Fedora 17/18/19 (selected Minimal installation) from
>> DVD and it completed successfully, however there is no tar tool.
>>
>> Was this change intentional? Thoughts?
>
> Why do you say 'change'? From a quick look in comps, tar has never been
> in the 'minimal' group (which was called @base up until a few releases
> ago and is now called @core).
Formerly, it was pulled in by 'sos' in base/standard - it's now explicitly
listed there.
The sos spec file still lists tar as a dependency. This is actually
false now as we're using the python TarFile class instead.
Does this mean that sos is no longer in base/standard?
Regards,
Bryn.
10:46 a.m.
Bryn M. Reeves (bmr(a)redhat.com) said:
On 08/07/2013 04:12 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> Adam Williamson (awilliam(a)redhat.com) said:
>> On Tue, 2013-07-30 at 17:23 -0400, Douglas Schilling Landgraf wrote:
>>> I have installed Fedora 17/18/19 (selected Minimal installation) from
>>> DVD and it completed successfully, however there is no tar tool.
>>>
>>> Was this change intentional? Thoughts?
>>
>> Why do you say 'change'? From a quick look in comps, tar has never been
>> in the 'minimal' group (which was called @base up until a few releases
>> ago and is now called @core).
>
> Formerly, it was pulled in by 'sos' in base/standard - it's now
explicitly
> listed there.
The sos spec file still lists tar as a dependency. This is actually
false now as we're using the python TarFile class instead.
Does this mean that sos is no longer in base/standard?
It still is. Can check for yourself at:
https://git.fedorahosted.org/cgit/comps.git
It was just figured that 'tar' should be explicitly listed there.
Bill
11:31 a.m.
On Wed, 2013-08-07 at 16:19 +0100, Bryn M. Reeves wrote:
On 08/07/2013 04:12 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> Adam Williamson (awilliam(a)redhat.com) said:
>> On Tue, 2013-07-30 at 17:23 -0400, Douglas Schilling Landgraf wrote:
>>> I have installed Fedora 17/18/19 (selected Minimal installation) from
>>> DVD and it completed successfully, however there is no tar tool.
>>>
>>> Was this change intentional? Thoughts?
>>
>> Why do you say 'change'? From a quick look in comps, tar has never been
>> in the 'minimal' group (which was called @base up until a few releases
>> ago and is now called @core).
>
> Formerly, it was pulled in by 'sos' in base/standard - it's now
explicitly
> listed there.
The sos spec file still lists tar as a dependency. This is actually
false now as we're using the python TarFile class instead.
Does this mean that sos is no longer in base/standard?
The two are not interchangeable. And, er, base no longer exists.
There is @core, which is basically 'minimal'. Then there is @standard ,
which is 'a typical base system'. tar is directly in @standard, it is
not in @core. sos is in @standard, not in @core.
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