https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/WirePlumber == Summary == PipeWire currently uses a simple example session manager. This proposal is to move to the more powerful WirePlumber session manager. == Owner == * Name: [[User:Wtaymans| Wim Taymans]] * Email: wim.taymans(a)gmail.com == Detailed Description == PipeWire requires a session manager that at least needs to implements the following features: * create and configure detected devices in the system. This includes audio cards, video and bluetooth devices. * configure applications and route audio/video to/from them to the devices and filters. * keep track of prefered devices and volumes. * move audio/video streams when devices appear and disappear. PipeWire uses a simple example session manager with limited features and configuration options. The proposal is to move to WirePlumber. WirePlumber is built on GNOME (GObject) technologies and has bindings for most languages using GObject introspection. WirePlumber allows one to implement many of the rules for setup and configuration using small LUA scripts, which are easier to maintain and customize. These are some of the functions that are scriptable in LUA: * setup and configuration of the devices and streams. This includes deciding if devices and streams need to operate in 5.1 or stereo mode, depending on the available devices. * routing of the streams based on metadata of the streams (Roles) and overall state of the system. * volume/mute restore of devices and streams == Benefit to Fedora == PipeWire currently uses a simple example session manager with mostly hardcoded logic and rules. This proposal wants to replace the session manager with a more advanced session manager, called WirePlumber. WirePlumber brings to following improvements * Drop-in replacement session manager for PipeWire, implements the exact same features as the example session manager * built with GObject, which provides a richer development experience and adds bindings for most languages * extensible with loadable modules * scriptable policy using small lua scripts * better integration with desktop settings The main benefits will be that this session manager would allow for more customization of the policy and rules. Initially we aim for feature parity with the current solution and work on more features in the next releases. == Scope == * Proposal owners: This is a rather isolated changed. Instead of starting the pipewire-media-session executable we would need to package and start WirePlumber instead. WirePlumber has been kept up to data with the features in the example session manager and would need testing. * Other developers: None. This is an isolated PipeWire change. * Release engineering: A new systemd service will need to be activated in the default install. * Policies and guidelines: N/A (not needed for this Change) * Trademark approval: N/A (not needed for this Change) * Alignment with Objectives: == Upgrade/compatibility impact == Should not cause any change. == How To Test == Experience should be the same as before. Retest all audio testcases. == User Experience == Should not cause any visible change. == Dependencies == None. == Contingency Plan == * Contingency mechanism: (What to do? Who will do it?): If the feature can not be completed we continue using the existing pipewire-media-session. * Contingency deadline: N/A (not a System Wide Change) * Blocks release? N/A (not a System Wide Change) == Documentation == [WirePlumber](https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/pipewire/wireplumber) -- Ben Cotton He / Him / His Fedora Program Manager Red Hat TZ=America/Indiana/Indianapolis _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel(a)lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave(a)lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure

On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 06:33:29PM +0200, Igor Raits wrote: > It would be great if the "How to test" section would include some steps on > how to switch to WirePlumber so that anything can be tested. It's something like 'sudo dnf install wireplumber && systemctl --user disable --now pipewire-media-session && systemctl --user enable --now wireplumber.service' (fully untested ;)). Zbyszek _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel(a)lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave(a)lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure

On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 07:21:07PM +0200, gerard.bigot(a)gmail.com wrote: > Hi, > a happy user of F35 here. > > With PipeWire since two weeks. Which stopped working with the last update. > > Finding this page [1], I installed WirePlumber. It > removed pipewire-media-session. > > I didn't have to do anything more than dnf install xxx. I looked for > potential systemctl commands, but I found nothing needed. Oh, right. wireplumber.rpm conflicts with pipewire-media-session.rpm, so what I wrote it unnecessary.

For the record, this proposal isn't late. I just forgot what day it was yesterday. *Today* is the deadline. -- Ben Cotton He / Him / His Fedora Program Manager Red Hat TZ=America/Indiana/Indianapolis _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel(a)lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave(a)lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/WirePlumber == Summary == PipeWire currently uses a simple example session manager. This proposal is to move to the more powerful WirePlumber session manager.

This change proposal is the first I've heard of it. But since this is being proposed by the author of Pipewire, I kind of assume it's good, and I doubt Workstation WG would see the need to get involved unless concerns are raised. Does WirePlumber have some sort of deficiencies compared to pipewire-session-manager?

On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 12:18 PM Ben Cotton <bcotton(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/WirePlumber > > == Summary == > PipeWire currently uses a simple example session manager. This > proposal is to move to the more powerful WirePlumber session manager. > Has the Fedora Workstation Working Group made any recommendations around this? Does that group feel that WirePlumber is mature enough to replace the existing session manager?

On 7/19/21 18:17, Ben Cotton wrote: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/WirePlumber > > == Summary == PipeWire currently uses a simple example session > manager. This proposal is to move to the more powerful WirePlumber > session manager. > > == Owner == * Name: [[User:Wtaymans| Wim Taymans]] * Email: > wim.taymans(a)gmail.com > > == Detailed Description == PipeWire requires a session manager that > at least needs to implements the following features: > > * create and configure detected devices in the system. This includes > audio cards, video and bluetooth devices. * configure applications > and route audio/video to/from them to the devices and filters. * keep > track of prefered devices and volumes. * move audio/video streams > when devices appear and disappear. > > PipeWire uses a simple example session manager with limited features > and configuration options. The proposal is to move to WirePlumber. > > WirePlumber is built on GNOME (GObject) technologies and has > bindings for most languages using GObject introspection. > > WirePlumber allows one to implement many of the rules for setup and > configuration using small LUA scripts, which are easier to maintain > and customize. These are some of the functions that are scriptable in > LUA: > > * setup and configuration of the devices and streams. This includes > deciding if devices and streams need to operate in 5.1 or stereo > mode, depending on the available devices. * routing of the streams > based on metadata of the streams (Roles) and overall state of the > system. * volume/mute restore of devices and streams > > > == Benefit to Fedora == > > PipeWire currently uses a simple example session manager with mostly > hardcoded logic and rules. This proposal wants to replace the > session manager with a more advanced session manager, called > WirePlumber. > > WirePlumber brings to following improvements > > * Drop-in replacement session manager for PipeWire, implements the > exact same features as the example session manager * built with > GObject, which provides a richer development experience and adds > bindings for most languages * extensible with loadable modules * > scriptable policy using small lua scripts * better integration with > desktop settings > > The main benefits will be that this session manager would allow for > more customization of the policy and rules. Initially we aim for > feature parity with the current solution and work on more features in > the next releases. > > == Scope == * Proposal owners: This is a rather isolated changed. > Instead of starting the pipewire-media-session executable we would > need to package and start WirePlumber instead. > > WirePlumber has been kept up to data with the features in the > example session manager and would need testing. > > * Other developers: None. This is an isolated PipeWire change. * > Release engineering: A new systemd service will need to be activated > in the default install. * Policies and guidelines: N/A (not needed > for this Change) * Trademark approval: N/A (not needed for this > Change) * Alignment with Objectives: > > == Upgrade/compatibility impact == Should not cause any change. > > == How To Test == > > Experience should be the same as before. Retest all audio testcases. > > > == User Experience == Should not cause any visible change. > > > == Dependencies == None. > > == Contingency Plan == * Contingency mechanism: (What to do?  Who > will do it?): If the feature can not be completed we continue using > the existing pipewire-media-session. * Contingency deadline: N/A (not > a System Wide Change) * Blocks release? N/A (not a System Wide > Change) > > > == Documentation == > [WirePlumber](https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/pipewire/wireplumber) > > Just switched to F35 beta, no sound card was detected, I had to get back to pipewire-media-session to get sound again.