On 12/5/19 1:44 PM, Miro Hrončok wrote: Do any schools use this?  Possibly an edition for use in a school/university computer lab or internet cafe may be more useful, with less focus on Python and better support for thin clients may be more helpful. > > It has problems: > >  - no issue tracker, I don't even know if there are users with issues >    - there has simple been close to zero feedback, maybe nobody uses > this? > >  - the website is horribly outdated: > https://pagure.io/fedora-websites/issue/962 > >  - some Fedora versions weren't built: >    - I wasn't notified when F29 wasn't built >    - there was no way to get it fixed ex-post >    - https://pagure.io/releng/issue/7922 > >  - Docker is broken >    - one of the main ideas was to produce a Docker image >    - the Docker instructions on the download page [4] are not working >    - not even when replaced with podman >    - I have no idea how to fix it >    - I know no way to upload to official dockerhub [5] > >  - Vagrant experience is not good enough >    - one of the main ideas was to produce a Vagrant box/image >    - I know no way to upload to official Vagrant thing [6] >    - downloading the box manually is tedious > > > The absolute lack of feedback makes is hard to dedicate time to > actually persuade and fix the problems. > > > [1] https://labs.fedoraproject.org/en/python-classroom/ > [2] https://fedoramagazine.org/introducing-python-classroom-lab/ > [3] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/PythonClassroomLab > [4] https://labs.fedoraproject.org/en/python-classroom/download/ > [5] https://hub.docker.com/_/fedora/ > [6] https://app.vagrantup.com/fedora/ >

On Thursday, December 5, 2019 3:44:50 AM MST Miro Hrončok wrote: What's wrong with the packaged version of Docker? -- John M. Harris, Jr. Splentity

On 05. 12. 19 21:05, Daniel Walsh wrote: I suppose the image does not exist in the registry at all. -- Miro Hrončok -- Phone: +420777974800 IRC: mhroncok

On Thu, Dec 05, 2019 at 04:42:46PM -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: It's a mostly compatible command line wise with the old docker, no daemon, OCI (open container initiative) comlpiant container engine. https://podman.io/ Because Docker, inc decided to use 'docker' for their commercial offerings and split off the open source version as 'moby'. moby is packaged and available in Fedora, but IMHO podman is much better. No big deamon needed, no root needed (depending on what you are doing), very responsive upstream. (I'm sure dwalsh or others will correct me if I am off on any of the above) kevin

On 12/6/19 5:39 AM, Nicolas Mailhot via devel wrote: Docker is still available as Moby package.  Docker Inc changed their requirements on the use of the name Docker.  So we stopped packaging Docker directly on Fedora.  Moby is the upstream project comprising a lot of what Docker is and will be.  So we ship that in Fedora. Simultaneous with this we began working on splitting apart what was Docker into a series of smaller tools that could run any OCI/Docker Image in the same way that the Docker Daemon did.  But with different security goals. Skopeo - Allows you to copy container images from any container registry to other types of container storage including other container registries.  Think of this as scp for container images. Does not require root on the host to run. Buildah - Container image builder that allows the user to build OCI/Docker images and push them to contianer registries.  Does not require root.  Allows use of Dockerfile as well as simple bash scripting for creating container images.  Can be run without any privilege inside of another container. Podman - Complete replacement of the Docker CLI.  Implements almost all of the familiar commands from the Docker CLI with the same CLI.  alias docker=podman, and your commands should work.  Works rootless as well as root. Does not require a Daemon to be run. Really works well with Systemd.  Also supports lots of advanced features like Pods. CRI-O - Container Runtime Interface Daemon for running Kubernetes workloads.  Dedicated/optimized to Kubernetes.  Does not support any other orchestrators.