Minutes of FDSCo Meeting 28 March 2006
by Stuart Ellis
Attending Members:
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Karsten Wade (quaid)
Tommy Reynolds (megacoder)
Paul Frields (stickster)
Gavin Henry (ghenry)
Stuart Ellis (elliss)
Also Participating:
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Elliot Lee (Sopwith)
Robert Jensen (BobJensen)
Hugo Cisneiros (Eitch)
Schedule of Tasks:
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http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/FedoraDocsSchedule
Highlights:
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* Tommy: Will be working with the Infrastructure team to resolve issues
with Docs Rawhide. The script that generates these Web pages is
currently failing.
* Gavin: Will be working with a volunteer to update the list of
contributors on the Wiki.
* Bob: A new version of the Release Notes will be issued, to incorporate
feedback and material received after the freeze and release of Fedora
Core 5. The Release Notes are part of the "fedora-release" package, and
it may be useful to move them to a separate package, to simplify the
process of updating them.
* Paul: Both Karsten and Paul will be at FUDCon Boston this year. Please
send any input on the Fedora Documentation talk to the mailing list -
what would you like to know or discuss ?
Full IRC Log:
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https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-dsco-list/2006-March/msg00013.html
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18 years, 1 month
few questions
by Chester Cheng
Dear All,
Renato needs some help.
Can anyone give him a clue?
Regards,
Chester
於 一，2006-03-27 於 21:54 +1000，repavici(a)globalnet.hr via RT 提到：
> <URL: https://i18n.brisbane.redhat.com/rt3/Ticket/Display.html?id=38464 >
>
> Reply on 27.3.2006, at 13:23
>
> Currently I work on system-config-bind. Though one indeed! I have few
> question regarding what to translate, and what not to:
>
> - items between "\ \", and
> - bold items, between "<b></b>" (example:)
> If the zone is a slave or stub zone, then the server will suppress the
> regular \"zone up to date\" (refresh) queries and only perform them when
> the <b>Heartbeat Interval</b> expires in addition to sending NOTIFY
> requests.
> This is the only (?) line where the term: \"zone up to date\"
> is mentioned.
>
> - bold items, between "<b></b>", that start with small caps and are
> located at the beginning of the string:
> <b>delegation-only</b>: This is used to enforce the delegation only
> status of infrastructure zones (e.g. COM, NET, ORG).
> Name of the module? Cos in Croatian capitalization of words
> follow different rules than in PC-english (all upper - all lower).
>
> - items between "<tt></tt>":
> To achieve the intended effect of has-old-clients yes, specify the two
> separate options <b>Authoritative NXDOMAIN Responses</b>
> <tt>=Enable</tt> and <b>RFC2308 Type1</b> <tt>=Disable</tt> instead.
> <tt>=Enable</tt> repeats itself as a sole line. I guess this
> one is OK to translate? Unless it does not repeat anywhere else in
> this module.
>
> I will try to run bind after translation, but I am not sure I can
> simulate conditions that will bring up all the menus and messages. That
> only reason why I am bothering you with this questions :)
>
> Best regards!
>
> ---------------------------------------
>
> Renato Pavicic
>
> mailto:repavici@globalnet.hr
> renato(a)translator-shop.org
>
> www.translator-shop.org
> The Bat 3.5.25
>
>
18 years, 1 month
[ANN] Release Notes Errata - Wiki Freeze
by Robert 'Bob' Jensen
Hello Docs, Devel and Marketing,
I would like to take a snapshot of the Release Notes Beats on the Wiki
to be used as an errata release for the web on Tuesday, April 4, 2006 at
23:59 UTC, we will clean up and push to translation on Thursday, April
6, 2006 giving translation a week to get as many languages available to
us over the following week.
One question I have for Development is can we then roll these new
updated release notes and translations in to a package update for our
users?
The web and maybe package errata would be available on Friday, April 15,
2006.
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Fedora Documentation Projects
18 years, 1 month
Re: Anaconda: good work!
by Paul W. Frields
On Thu, 2006-03-23 at 12:02 -0500, Jeremy Katz wrote:
> On Wed, 2006-03-22 at 21:29 +0100, Thomas Canniot wrote:
> > What I found sad in anaconda during the installation process is the
> > permanent showing of our brand new logo for about 20 min, while anaconda
> > is copying files. We had in previous version of FC, texts talking about
> > the distribution itself. These have disappeared, too bad really.
>
> The main thing needed here is having a group step up to create the
> content. fedora-marketing-love project maybe? :-)
Certainly the Docs Project would be happy to get involved, at a minimum
to provide proofreading and editing for the text. Most of our members
are subscribed to marketing, IIRC.
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Re: Anaconda: good work!
by Paul W. Frields
On Wed, 2006-03-22 at 11:45 -0500, Jeremy Katz wrote:
>> * Links don't work in Release Notes
>> Rather frustrating, considering the size of the doc.
>> Links within the document should work, if they
>> look like regular links (color, cursor)
>
> Yeah. We didn't have HTML release notes until late in the game. At
> that point, I noticed but it was a bit risky to be going and making
> the necessary changes to have them work.
>
>> * External links in Release Notes are confusing
>> These can't possibly work, it would be nice if we
>> can disable them to avoid confusion.
>
> Hrm. Not sure how to handle this. They could conceivably work in
> network installs, but are almost certainly a bad idea. Maybe the way
> to do this is to do some processing on the release notes file before
> we feed it to the viewer
This was my thought too. A small XSL snippet and a specialized Makefile
target for the Anaconda-destined build should take care of this. I
don't think anyone would reasonably argue against the fact that you guys
are using GtkHtml3 (right?) to render the notes in Anaconda now. But it
would best not to mislead readers also. I am cc'ing the Docs list on
this so we can capture the discussion, but a bug would be appreciated,
filed against Fedora Documentation -> toolchain-devel.
>> * Release Notes too big?
>> I found them to be too big/verbose, especially for
>> a light read during install. But maybe it's just me.
>
> Yep, the Docs project has rocked at getting lots of content. This has
> the downside of there being lots of content. Double-edged sword...
Hey, are you trolling for compliments? OK, OK, Anaconda ROCKS. ;-D
(No, seriously.)
In any case, I agree, the release notes are a little TOO sizable. I
think the general tenor with having community-provided "beats" with a
different author for each one means that everyone is under the
impression their content is of paramount importance. With a very
decentralized process the first time through, we erred on the side of
inclusion, so as not to cheese anyone off by leaving out the one
surprise that hit their particular edge case. :-)
As we develop this process, which was new for FC5, I'm certain there
should and will be a strong guiding personality to "wield the red pen"
judiciously.
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18 years, 1 month
Re: Amendment of the article "Translate Fedora in Microsoft Windows"
by Karsten Wade
On Tue, 2006-03-21 at 11:54 +1000, Chester Cheng wrote:
> Hi Karsten,
>
> I modified the document "Translate Fedora in Microsoft Windows" and
> added a paragraph below.
> It's not much. Just add some information that was mentioned earlier
> in the mailing list.
> However, I cannot commit it back to the cvs repository.
> Can you help me compile and upload the file?
Certainly, sorry about the delay in responding. I was traveling Monday
and Wednesday, with full meetings in between, so I'm a few days behind.
I'm adding fedora-docs-list to the Cc:, as this is a greater resource
than I alone,. :
Committing to CVS:
==================
You'll need to give some details, such as the error message. Which
CVSROOT were you working on?
For example, the content is kept in cvs.fedora:/cvs/docs/translation-
guide-windows, while the content that publishes on the website:
http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/translation-windows/
is drawn from CVS at cvs.fedora:/cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-
windows.
For the source content in /cvs/docs, there are no restrictions on
access. But you have to first have a CVS account. I tried to add
'ccheng' to the 'cvsdocs' group via admin.fedora.r.c, and got an error
that I think means there is no such account as 'ccheng'.
If you need a Fedora account, this page explains things well:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/AccountSystem
Once you have the account and have signed the CLA, you can then request
access to the 'cvsdocs' group, and I'll approve it. This grants you
access to that area of the CVS, i.e., /cvs/docs. Once there, you have
permission to the whole repository.
Building XML:
=============
You need these modules:
cvs.fedora:/cvs/docs/translation-guide-windows
cvs.fedora:/cvs/docs/docs-common
However, the translation-guide-windows module needs to be modernized to
work with the i18n'ized toolchain. The module 'example-tutorial' can be
looked at to understand how to modify the directory structure. Let us
know if you have any problems or need help.
- Karsten
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[Resend] LugRadio Live 2006 - Fedora BOF
by Gavin Henry
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Sorry, thought it bounced.
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Dear Lists,
I've been invited to run a Fedora BOF at this years LugRadio Live event:
http://lugradio.org/live/2006/index.php/Main_Page
It's a 2-Day Event. List of speakers so far is:
Latest Speakers
* Mark Shuttleworth - Ubuntu
* Gervase Markham - TBC
* Bastien Nocera - GNOME development and Fedora
* Simon Phipps - Open Source and Sun
* Richard Moore - IBM and Open Source
* Jonathan Haslam - DTrace
* Steve Coast - OpenStreetmap
* Kat Goodwin, Jen Phillips and Phated - Women in Open Source
* Edward Hervey - PiTiVi
* Scott James Remnant - Ubuntu
* Barbie - Messagelabs and Perl
* Mirco Müller - Lowfat - a natural way to view your files...with a
twist * Sarah Ewen - Linux on Playstation 2
* Bruno Bord - This Talk May Contain Swearing
* Jonathan Riddell - KDE 4 and Kubuntu Dapper
* Matthew Bloch - Virtualisation and Bytemark
* Alex Hudson - Hula
* Martin Vogel - BBC Action Network
* Ian Lynch - OpenDocument
* Martijn van de Streek - Ubuntu
* Michael Meeks - OpenOffice.org
* Matthew Garrett - Linux and Laptops
* John Leach - Everybody Loves Eric Raymond
* Elliot Smith - Ruby On Rails
* Paul Cooper - OpenAdvantage
* Tom Steinberg - MySociety and Pledgebank
* Ewan Spence - TBC
* Christian Schaller - GStreamer
Latest Exhibitors
* CentOS
* Joomla!
* UKLinux
* MythTV
* Bytemark Hosting
* OpenDocument Fellowship
* KDE/Kubuntu
* O'Reilly
So quite high-profile!
Might also be doing a talk on Catalyst with one of the Catalyst Devel Team.
I was planning to talk about Fedora Docs and plans for FC6?
Anyone other ideas?
Can we get any goodies to give away?
Can/do we have a Blurb for these kinds of things to put in the main
LugRadio Site?
Thoughts most welcome!
Thanks,
Gavin.
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