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Re: fedora-docs-list Digest, Vol 37, Issue 15
by Magnus Glantz 13 Mar '07

13 Mar '07

Karsten, My Wiki username is: magnusg Thanks for the link, looking forward to the next round :) //M > Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 10:08:58 -0800 > From: Karsten Wade <kwade(a)redhat.com> > Subject: Re: Some questions from a new member > To: fedora-docs-list(a)redhat.com > Message-ID: <1173636538.3935.363.camel(a)erato.phig.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > On Sun, 2007-03-11 at 17:56 +0100, Magnus Glantz wrote: > > Hello, > > > > 1) I'm new to the translation project and are trying to create a > > personal description page at the wiki, but I'm getting a 'access denied' > > kind of message when trying to create any page. I saw that a lot of > > people have a personal page at the Wiki but perhaps this does to apply > > to translation members? Or is it something I have to do exect for > > regestering a user at the Wiki. > > Sorry about how confusing all this is. > > You need to be added to the EditGroup page by someone who is already on > that page. > > What is your WikiName username? One of us can add you. > > > 2) I've looked thru the http://i18n.redhat.com/cgi-bin/i18n-status for > > my language (Swedish), but everything seems translated, does that mean > > there is nothing to do at the moment? :) > > For documentation, we haven't put up anything to translate yet. Here is > our schedule: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Schedule > > Keep your eyes on this list (and fedora-trans-list) for announcements > about translations. > > thx - Karsten > -- > Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project > Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject > quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 > ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:08:03 -0800 > From: Karsten Wade <kwade(a)redhat.com> > Subject: Wiki templates > To: Fedora Documentation Project <fedora-docs-list(a)redhat.com> > Message-ID: <1173665283.3935.374.camel(a)erato.phig.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Here's one for our "new writer task list": > > * Work out a set of what kind of pages need a template on the Wiki; do > this on fedora-docs-list > * Solicit for examples of existing pages that we want to exemplify > * Build a series of pages that float to the top of template list, such > as AbcProjectTemplate, AbcUserPageTemplate, etc. > > Yet another thing I keep meaning to do ... :) > > - Karsten

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translation theory question
by Karsten Wade 13 Mar '07

13 Mar '07

I was wondering ... would it be desireable to be able to flag a chunk of content as, "Don't retranslate"? The case I'm thinking of is where a small change in the source language fixes punctuation, grammar, or style without affecting the meaning. The current translation tools flag that section as fuzzy or untranslated, after the change is made. I can do this manually by diffing the two POT files, finding the changed msgid sections, and sending out a note not to bother translating those msgids. But that throws off the automagic tools that say how much needs to be translated, etc. So I'm wondering: 1. Is this a good idea? 2. Can we do it with xml2po? - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\

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Tech writing position available...
by Edward C. Bailey 12 Mar '07

12 Mar '07

Hello all, rPath is looking for a Technical Writer to be based at our Raleigh, North Carolina office. Details are available on LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/emailContacts?context=2&itemID=284382&itemLinkName=… ...or on Craigslist: http://raleigh.craigslist.org/sof/292748059.html We return you to your regularly-scheduled documentation project... :-) Ed -- Ed Bailey http://public.xdi.org/=edward.c.bailey rPath, Inc. http://www.rpath.com/

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Self-Introduction / Fedora Translation Project
by John Charron 12 Mar '07

12 Mar '07

*Self-Introduction: John Charron - Fedora Translation Project* John Charron (fcrhuser) Montpellier, France *Mother tongues*: English and French *Other language*: Italian *Source/Target Languages*: French -> English English -> French Italian -> French French -> Italian* *Although Italian is not my mother tongue, I would like to do *some* French to Italian translation. Having a good number of contacts, the final version of any such translations will be proofread and corrected by a person whose mother tongue is Italian before being submitted. *University Studies* -Doctor of Music, Juilliard School, New York (1994) -Master of Applied Linguistics, University of Montpellier, France (2002) -Master of Technical Translation (English-French-Italian), University of Montpellier, France (2006) Hi all! Linux and Fedora are relatively new to me and so is ICT. As translator, I don't yet know what aspects of the Fedora Project would interest me most. Although the translation of material related to my areas of specialization interests me (programs for amateur and professional musicians, electronic dictionaries, translation software, applications for foreign language training, etc.), I would also be interested in translating more technical documentation on various ICT-related topics. I will be studying computer science at the local university here in Montpellier from September 2007 and would like my work for the project to be both a contribution and a learning experience. In addition to having an excellent working knowledge of general applications (word processing, spreadsheets, multimedia applications, Internet, etc.) and typing from 50 to 60 words per minute, I am learning more and more about Linux, scripts, UNIX commands and some basic programming in C++, and am really enjoying it all. I am looking forward to participating in the Fedora Translation Project and eager to becoming more involved in the Fedora community! John P.S. - I need cvsdocs membership approval (see below) and may need some help getting started as well. Many thanks. * * * [linux@localhost ~]$ gpg --fingerprint E40B581F pub 1024D/E40B581F 2007-02-19 Key fingerprint = E313 ED96 E8DD 2D7A C69D 07E0 D4FA 455C E40B 581F uid John Charron (Linux Man) <fedora.redhat.user(a)gmail.com> sub 2048g/20F0F8C5 2007-02-19 * * * from accounts(a)fedoraproject.org <accounts(a)fedoraproject.org> to cvsdocs-sponsors(a)fedoraproject.org cc fedora.redhat.user(a)gmail.com date 25-Feb-2007 01:42 subject Fedora cvsdocs membership approval needed for fcrhuser Fedora user fcrhuser, aka John Charron <fedora.redhat.user(a)gmail.com> has requested membership in the cvsdocs group - that membership needs approval. Please go to https://admin.fedora.redhat.com/accounts/groupbox.cgi?_editme=Edit&name=cvs… take action. -- The Fedora Account System * * *

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CVS reorg
by Paul W. Frields 12 Mar '07

12 Mar '07

I am planning to do a little housecleaning in CVS, but particularly the "docs-common" module. We have a number of areas in that module in which rendered content is saved along with source data, when this content could be produced on an "as-needed" basis by the user. Here are some examples: 1. Eliminate PNG and EPS files from docs-common/images/ and docs-common/stylesheet-images/, instead saving only SVG (XML) and using PO and librsvg2 to generate new PNG files. Include a single fallback watermark so that users do not need to install librsvg2 (and drag in GNOME) to test document builds. + Saves >800 KB of d/l bandwidth for users. + po/ directory should pick up ACL mask for translators. 2. Eliminate repetitive XML files from docs-common/common/ and docs-common/common/entities/, again using PO instead, and adapting build tools to use PO on-the-fly rather than requiring users to download unused files. + Saves >600-700 KB of d/l bandwidth for users. + No additional tools required other than what is already used (xml2po) 3. I also see there is some chaff in the docs-common/stylesheet-images/, particularly a "titlepage.png" and "titlepage.eps" that were probably there for testing the press release stuff back in the day. I will probably remove those to the attic; SVG gladly accepted to replace them if desired. + Saves 1 MB (!) of d/l bandwidth for users. Although a simple "du -sk" command shows that docs-common is over 6.5 MB in size, that's a bit misleading, as we're seeing *disk block usage*. That number reflects 50-75% overhead for many of the small (< 4KB) files in use. "du -sbc" shows a much more reasonable ~3.3 MB. The savings above should cut that down to just several hundred KB. Discussion? -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug

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Wiki templates
by Karsten Wade 11 Mar '07

11 Mar '07

Here's one for our "new writer task list": * Work out a set of what kind of pages need a template on the Wiki; do this on fedora-docs-list * Solicit for examples of existing pages that we want to exemplify * Build a series of pages that float to the top of template list, such as AbcProjectTemplate, AbcUserPageTemplate, etc. Yet another thing I keep meaning to do ... :) - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\

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Some questions from a new member
by Magnus Glantz 11 Mar '07

11 Mar '07

Hello, 1) I'm new to the translation project and are trying to create a personal description page at the wiki, but I'm getting a 'access denied' kind of message when trying to create any page. I saw that a lot of people have a personal page at the Wiki but perhaps this does to apply to translation members? Or is it something I have to do exect for regestering a user at the Wiki. 2) I've looked thru the http://i18n.redhat.com/cgi-bin/i18n-status for my language (Swedish), but everything seems translated, does that mean there is nothing to do at the moment? :) Best regards, Magnus Glantz

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FDSCo agenda for 11-Mar-2007 Item 0 Meeting time
by Robert 'Bob' Jensen 11 Mar '07

11 Mar '07

Meeting times have been discussed in IRC and on the list. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BobJensen/MeetingTimes shows the results of our survey to find a time that will work for us all. -- Robert 'Bob' Jensen * * http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BobJensen gpg fingerprint: F9F4 7243 4243 0043 2C45 97AF E8A4 C3AE 42EB 0BC6 Fedora Docs Projects FDSCo http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject

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FDSCo agenda 11-Mar-2007 Item 6 PDF Versions
by John Babich 11 Mar '07

11 Mar '07

FDP Team: I propose a short discussion of the possibility of including PDF versions for certain key documents on the wiki. These would need to be manually created until all the pieces are in place for an automatic creation process. Any referenced links should be made explicit, which would require modifying some wiki pages. Single-page views should be created to make it easier to manually produce the desired PDFs. John Babich

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FDSCo agenda 11-Mar-2007 Item 5 KDE & Xfce Coverage
by John Babich 11 Mar '07

11 Mar '07

FDP Team Members: I propose that we address the topic of expanding our coverage of the desktop and applications to include more KDE and Xfce in addition to GNOME. This is in line with the merger of the Core and Extras repositories, and the new KDE LiveCD spin. More coverage will require a timetable (should this be included in Fedora 7) and how best to assign the work. This may be a good assignment for a new FDP member who feels passionately about KDE or Xfce. Also, what docs should be created or modified? Candidates may be the - Desktop User Guide - Installation Guide - Special Topics - etc. John Babich

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