FDSCo Meeting 2007-05-20 IRC log
by Karsten Wade
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09:04 < quaid> <meeting>
09:05 < quaid> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings#Agenda
09:06 < quaid> 07:42 < stickster> If I can connect from my buddy's house I will do so
09:06 < quaid> 07:45 < stickster> In case I don't make it, release-notes are currently building fine from CVS HEAD
09:06 < quaid> 07:45 < stickster> The IG is progressing, see f-docs-commits for detail
09:06 < quaid> 07:46 < stickster> Closd a number of bugs yesterday for IG
09:07 < quaid> so, at least those essential pieces are in the clear
09:07 < quaid> I still plan a good round of edits to the IG
09:07 < quaid> anyone should give it a go; you can use Yelp to display the XML in real-time for easy editing fun.
09:08 < JonRob> (still to get my teeth into cvs...maybe this is a good chance)
09:09 < quaid> yeh, it's pretty easy
09:10 < couf> ah yeah, saw that some time ago, any link?
09:11 < quaid> sorry, CVS usage?
09:11 < couf> quaid: yelp :-)
09:11 < quaid> ah
09:11 < couf> my bad
09:11 < quaid> hmm, you know ... we haven't a write up
09:11 < quaid> maybe under DP/Tools ?
09:11 < JonRob> it's in the archives...the bit about yelp
09:12 < quaid> anyway, you just do 'yelp /path/to/RELEASE-NOTES.xml
09:12 < quaid> anyway, you just do 'yelp /path/to/RELEASE-NOTES.xml &'
09:12 < quaid> it will build up the whole document that is called by that parent XML file, and display it
09:12 < couf> ah right, thanks
09:13 < quaid> then when you edit, you just reload (I close and reopen, since there isn't a reload function I've seen)
09:13 < quaid> so, about the guides ...
09:13 < JonRob> https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2007-April/msg00199.html
09:13 * jmbuser will document this soon - very slick
09:13 < JonRob> is the message
09:13 < quaid> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Schedule#guides-schedule
09:13 < couf> thanks JonRob
09:14 < quaid> ok, now that schedule is for anything that we want to get translated in time for release
09:14 < quaid> last week we decided that the relnotes and IG are the two "must haves" for release
09:15 < quaid> so, yes, anything the group can do to help make sure that the IG goes to trans on time is a Good Thing.
09:15 < quaid> as for the other guides ...
09:15 < quaid> we have strong leadership from jmbuser for the UG, but ...
09:16 < quaid> jmbuser: do you have an identified team helping? or is it a loose group? do you want it formalized more?
09:16 < jmbuser> quaid: No identifiable group so far...correct me if I'm wrong
09:17 < quaid> hmm
09:17 < JonRob> i'll jump in if you need it
09:17 < JonRob> will have a lot more time this week
09:17 < quaid> well, yes the folks on the http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/DesktopUserGuide/Contributors page ... aren't that evident currently
09:17 < jmbuser> quaid: I'm willing to solo, but I would prefer an ensemble effort
09:17 < jmbuser> JonRob: Thanks
09:17 < quaid> JonRob: consider yourself engaged with this then :)
09:18 < quaid> add yourself to the Contributors page
09:18 < JonRob> quaid: sure
09:18 < JonRob> jmbuser: no problem :D
09:18 < jmbuser> I need to put the framework in place - and then please fill in where you can
09:18 < jmbuser> quaid: +1
09:18 < couf> jmbuser's grand idea for the FUG :-)
09:18 < quaid> jmbuser: one tip, feel free to brain-dump into the wiki, just put a comment in the commit note about the state of the content
09:19 < quaid> that helps editors know "ignore, edit, or make pariah from" :)
09:19 < jmbuser> quaid: NP - I noticed an "es" translation of the docs/drafts version today - very scary
09:19 < quaid> in the wiki? eek
09:19 < couf> yeah, should we talk to that guy?
09:19 < quaid> definitely shouldn't be translating in the Wiki
09:19 < jmbuser> quaid: I was thinking of a warning label
09:20 < quaid> yes
09:20 < couf> he's been keeping up with your work for most of it
09:20 < quaid> at this point, we are moving clearly to Plone, although the schedule is a bit unknown when what will be where
09:20 -!- [splinux] [n=[splinux@fedora/splinux] has joined #fedora-docs
09:21 < quaid> hey, there's one of the folks who has written for the UG
09:21 < jmbuser> I deinitely need to put something like a "blasting zone" danger sign up :-)
09:21 < couf> [splinux]: damien run ;-)
09:21 < jmbuser> s/deinitely/definitely/
09:21 < quaid> [splinux]: we're on the final push for the Fedora User Guide for F7, if you are interested in helping with this release
09:21 < quaid> :)
09:22 < jmbuser> [splinux]: Welcome
09:23 < [splinux]> hey all
09:23 < couf> so first call is IG, anyone willing to spend some time, get into the FUG
09:23 -!- pingou_laptop [n=pingou(a)haar113.athome221.WAU.NL] has joined #fedora-docs
09:23 < pingou_laptop> hi
09:23 < quaid> in fact, the IG is just a few days from going out for translation, so that is quite timely
09:23 < [splinux]> quaid, I'm busy for this week :(
09:24 < jmbuser> I will take responsibility for not hassling, er, following up with contributors
09:24 < quaid> [splinux]: no worries, just pouncing since you walked in the channel in a timely fashion :)
09:24 < [splinux]> :)
09:25 < jmbuser> IG is higher priority - we can do an F7 FUG announcement later, like for FC6 DUG
09:26 < quaid> yep
09:26 < quaid> ok, let's try another on-list reminder this week to help with the UG
09:27 < jmbuser> I plan to finish the outline, so that volunteers can pick a section and fill it out
09:27 < quaid> cool!
09:27 < jmbuser> I can also advertise it on my blog - after the outline's in place
09:27 < couf> yeah, get that out somewhere too
09:27 < JonRob> jmbuser: are you going to clean out a lot of the screenshots from later on in the guide?
09:27 < quaid> let's feature it a bit on the DP/Tasks page
09:27 < JonRob> i'll put it in fwn if appropriate
09:28 < quaid> not all the pieces, just a few pointers, maybe start a DP/Tasks/UserGuide for everythin
09:28 < jmbuser> JonRob: I plan to remove all screenshots except for the three desktops and I will leave in icons
09:28 < couf> quaid: +1
09:29 < JonRob> jmbuser: cool
09:29 < jmbuser> JonRob: This will speed things up and make it easier to translate
09:29 < JonRob> will look better too i think
09:29 < jmbuser> JonRob: agreed
09:30 < quaid> I haven't been able to do much extra at all, such as the Tasks page, we still need to jam it ahead as a collaboratively built page
09:32 < JonRob> quaid: if i find the time i'll help out here too
09:33 < quaid> ok, so for the rest of the guides ...
09:34 < couf> AG guide is something we should get started on post F7
09:35 < couf> and as fast as possible, to get this out somewhat half of the F8 cycle, as this doesn't change that much between releases
09:36 < quaid> we're having a bit of a lull in writing participation, is this just the time of year (school end) and near-to-release?
09:36 < quaid> maybe we should do the bulk of writing for these kind of guides between releases, and just have them updated lightly when the next release near?
09:36 < JonRob> quaid: sounds like a good approach, minimises stress!
09:36 < jmbuser> quaid: +1
09:36 < couf> quaid: yeah, a combination of both
09:36 < couf> quaid: +1
09:38 < JonRob> what do people think of the software management guide?
09:39 < JonRob> could a lot of that be pulled into the admin guide?
09:39 < JonRob> or maybe the essentials
09:39 < quaid> well
09:39 < quaid> it's for end-users
09:39 < pingou_laptop> I have to go ...
09:39 -!- pingou_laptop [n=pingou(a)haar113.athome221.WAU.NL] has left #fedora-docs ["Salut!!"]
09:40 < quaid> JonRob: we wouldn't want to send end-users into a chapter of the AG to learn something, too scary
09:40 < quaid> the idea of the stand-alone is to empower those users, "oh, this is easy"
09:40 < couf> part in DUG, part in AG?
09:40 < JonRob> quaid: yeah but a lot of the SMG is pretty scary!
09:40 < couf> as in updating your software -> DUG, adding repo's -> AG
09:40 < quaid> hmm
09:40 < quaid> true that
09:41 < quaid> mether: you about?
09:41 < quaid> that's a sensible proposal, i think
09:41 < quaid> JonRob: can you make that suggestion (as couf laid it out) on-list?
09:42 < JonRob> quaid: sure
09:42 < quaid> mether has been doing the bulk of the work there, I'm sure he'll think it's a good idea, and the advantage of adding a little content to grow an existing team effort is a good one
09:43 < quaid> ok, then, let's cover the last item ...
09:44 < quaid> en v. en_US etc.
09:44 < quaid> now, I claim near-ignorance here, I've never researched the standards and UTF needs and such
09:45 < JonRob> (posted to the list, hope i got the message across)
09:47 < couf> hmm it seems the official list says it's a three character thing right now
09:47 < couf> http://www.loc.gov/standards/iso639-2/ISO-639-2_values_8bits-utf-8.txt
09:47 < couf> http://www.loc.gov/standards/iso639-2/php/code_list.php
09:47 < couf> last one is a bit easier to read
09:49 < quaid> so what is the deal with the _XY
09:49 < couf> it seemed to have never been an ISO-standard
09:49 -!- [splinux] [n=[splinux@fedora/splinux] has left #fedora-docs ["Quitte"]
09:51 < couf> so that would mean ...
09:52 < couf> a) everything has to a ab-type code
09:52 < couf> b) change like everything to the newest ISO standard, meaning docs, software, ....
09:52 < couf> and hope that gettext get's this
09:57 < couf> ah, got the _XY, it's the country code, which may be added to specify to which country this specific translation applies
09:59 < quaid> ah
09:59 < quaid> cool
10:00 < quaid> couf: we do specifically use US English in these cases
10:00 < quaid> why?
10:00 < quaid> I want a Brit to be able to write en_UK and then I can become a translator!
10:01 < couf> quaid: you're americans ;-)
10:01 < couf> as such, should we move everything on docs.fp.org to use en_US instead of en?
10:02 < quaid> probably
10:02 < quaid> in fact, that is a leftover inconsistency yes
10:03 < quaid> ok, let's confirm this detail to the list so there are no surprises
10:03 * quaid asks couf to send that email
10:03 < quaid> and then we can close this meetin'
10:03 < couf> sure
10:04 < quaid> rather ... any other business/topics?
10:04 < couf> ow yeah, I've got one left
10:04 < couf> are we gonna update the style to the new static page style, or stay like it is and wait for plone?
10:05 < JonRob> there's a new static page style!?
10:06 < couf> JonRob: yeah, it's coming http://fedora.riczho.dyndns.org/static/
10:06 < quaid> oh, we can wait
10:06 < quaid> well, I see what you mean
10:06 < quaid> we could update docs.fp.o, sure
10:06 < quaid> ultimately, yes, Plone will handle it, and we'll port the CSS to the Wiki as well
10:06 < JonRob> couf: cool :D
10:07 < quaid> JonRob: static page because we want the front of fp.o to load fast for the release, unlike for FC-6
10:07 < quaid> so we're doing two-birds, one-stone -- static page and new style for the site
10:07 < JonRob> quaid: yeah, is awesome idea i think
10:07 < quaid> couf: let's plan on updating docs.fp.o with the new style, once it is fully baked
10:08 < quaid> it's actually in CVS now, so we could start experimenting
10:08 < couf> quaid: cool
10:08 * quaid is not sure if there are any here who like to play with CSS
10:08 < quaid> actually, I like it now, but I'm jammed on time, so I probably won't play
10:08 * couf thinks glezos ;-)
10:08 -!- jmbuser [n=jmbuser(a)195.229.24.83] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
10:08 < quaid> but it is all in cvs.fp.o:/cvs/web/static
10:09 -!- jmbuser [n=jmbuser(a)195.229.24.83] has joined #fedora-docs
10:09 < quaid> yeah, when glezos gets back from galavanting around, we'll ask him, if it's not done already :)
10:09 < couf> okay, well if I find some time, I'll have a got at it
10:10 < couf> that's all for me
10:10 < quaid> it's probably pretty straightforward
10:10 < quaid> esp with the Web Developer plugin for Firefox
10:10 < quaid> ok, if there is nothing more ...
10:10 * quaid waits 30 seconds
10:10 < couf> Web Devel + Firebug ++ :-)
10:11 < quaid> do they do similar things? or are they complementary?
10:11 < quaid> final countdown ...
10:11 < quaid> 5
10:11 < quaid> 4
10:11 < quaid> 3
10:11 < quaid> 2
10:11 < quaid> 1
10:11 < quaid> </meeting>
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09:04 < quaid> <meeting>
09:05 < quaid> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings#Agenda
09:06 < quaid> 07:42 < stickster> If I can connect from my buddy's house I will do so
09:06 < quaid> 07:45 < stickster> In case I don't make it, release-notes are currently building fine from CVS HEAD
09:06 < quaid> 07:45 < stickster> The IG is progressing, see f-docs-commits for detail
09:06 < quaid> 07:46 < stickster> Closd a number of bugs yesterday for IG
09:07 < quaid> so, at least those essential pieces are in the clear
09:07 < quaid> I still plan a good round of edits to the IG
09:07 < quaid> anyone should give it a go; you can use Yelp to display the XML in real-time for easy editing fun.
09:08 < JonRob> (still to get my teeth into cvs...maybe this is a good chance)
09:09 < quaid> yeh, it's pretty easy
09:10 < couf> ah yeah, saw that some time ago, any link?
09:11 < quaid> sorry, CVS usage?
09:11 < couf> quaid: yelp :-)
09:11 < quaid> ah
09:11 < couf> my bad
09:11 < quaid> hmm, you know ... we haven't a write up
09:11 < quaid> maybe under DP/Tools ?
09:11 < JonRob> it's in the archives...the bit about yelp
09:12 < quaid> anyway, you just do 'yelp /path/to/RELEASE-NOTES.xml
09:12 < quaid> anyway, you just do 'yelp /path/to/RELEASE-NOTES.xml &'
09:12 < quaid> it will build up the whole document that is called by that parent XML file, and display it
09:12 < couf> ah right, thanks
09:13 < quaid> then when you edit, you just reload (I close and reopen, since there isn't a reload function I've seen)
09:13 < quaid> so, about the guides ...
09:13 < JonRob> https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2007-April/msg00199.html
09:13 * jmbuser will document this soon - very slick
09:13 < JonRob> is the message
09:13 < quaid> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Schedule#guides-schedule
09:13 < couf> thanks JonRob
09:14 < quaid> ok, now that schedule is for anything that we want to get translated in time for release
09:14 < quaid> last week we decided that the relnotes and IG are the two "must haves" for release
09:15 < quaid> so, yes, anything the group can do to help make sure that the IG goes to trans on time is a Good Thing.
09:15 < quaid> as for the other guides ...
09:15 < quaid> we have strong leadership from jmbuser for the UG, but ...
09:16 < quaid> jmbuser: do you have an identified team helping? or is it a loose group? do you want it formalized more?
09:16 < jmbuser> quaid: No identifiable group so far...correct me if I'm wrong
09:17 < quaid> hmm
09:17 < JonRob> i'll jump in if you need it
09:17 < JonRob> will have a lot more time this week
09:17 < quaid> well, yes the folks on the http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/DesktopUserGuide/Contributors page ... aren't that evident currently
09:17 < jmbuser> quaid: I'm willing to solo, but I would prefer an ensemble effort
09:17 < jmbuser> JonRob: Thanks
09:17 < quaid> JonRob: consider yourself engaged with this then :)
09:18 < quaid> add yourself to the Contributors page
09:18 < JonRob> quaid: sure
09:18 < JonRob> jmbuser: no problem :D
09:18 < jmbuser> I need to put the framework in place - and then please fill in where you can
09:18 < jmbuser> quaid: +1
09:18 < couf> jmbuser's grand idea for the FUG :-)
09:18 < quaid> jmbuser: one tip, feel free to brain-dump into the wiki, just put a comment in the commit note about the state of the content
09:19 < quaid> that helps editors know "ignore, edit, or make pariah from" :)
09:19 < jmbuser> quaid: NP - I noticed an "es" translation of the docs/drafts version today - very scary
09:19 < quaid> in the wiki? eek
09:19 < couf> yeah, should we talk to that guy?
09:19 < quaid> definitely shouldn't be translating in the Wiki
09:19 < jmbuser> quaid: I was thinking of a warning label
09:20 < quaid> yes
09:20 < couf> he's been keeping up with your work for most of it
09:20 < quaid> at this point, we are moving clearly to Plone, although the schedule is a bit unknown when what will be where
09:20 -!- [splinux] [n=[splinux@fedora/splinux] has joined #fedora-docs
09:21 < quaid> hey, there's one of the folks who has written for the UG
09:21 < jmbuser> I deinitely need to put something like a "blasting zone" danger sign up :-)
09:21 < couf> [splinux]: damien run ;-)
09:21 < jmbuser> s/deinitely/definitely/
09:21 < quaid> [splinux]: we're on the final push for the Fedora User Guide for F7, if you are interested in helping with this release
09:21 < quaid> :)
09:22 < jmbuser> [splinux]: Welcome
09:23 < [splinux]> hey all
09:23 < couf> so first call is IG, anyone willing to spend some time, get into the FUG
09:23 -!- pingou_laptop [n=pingou(a)haar113.athome221.WAU.NL] has joined #fedora-docs
09:23 < pingou_laptop> hi
09:23 < quaid> in fact, the IG is just a few days from going out for translation, so that is quite timely
09:23 < [splinux]> quaid, I'm busy for this week :(
09:24 < jmbuser> I will take responsibility for not hassling, er, following up with contributors
09:24 < quaid> [splinux]: no worries, just pouncing since you walked in the channel in a timely fashion :)
09:24 < [splinux]> :)
09:25 < jmbuser> IG is higher priority - we can do an F7 FUG announcement later, like for FC6 DUG
09:26 < quaid> yep
09:26 < quaid> ok, let's try another on-list reminder this week to help with the UG
09:27 < jmbuser> I plan to finish the outline, so that volunteers can pick a section and fill it out
09:27 < quaid> cool!
09:27 < jmbuser> I can also advertise it on my blog - after the outline's in place
09:27 < couf> yeah, get that out somewhere too
09:27 < JonRob> jmbuser: are you going to clean out a lot of the screenshots from later on in the guide?
09:27 < quaid> let's feature it a bit on the DP/Tasks page
09:27 < JonRob> i'll put it in fwn if appropriate
09:28 < quaid> not all the pieces, just a few pointers, maybe start a DP/Tasks/UserGuide for everythin
09:28 < jmbuser> JonRob: I plan to remove all screenshots except for the three desktops and I will leave in icons
09:28 < couf> quaid: +1
09:29 < JonRob> jmbuser: cool
09:29 < jmbuser> JonRob: This will speed things up and make it easier to translate
09:29 < JonRob> will look better too i think
09:29 < jmbuser> JonRob: agreed
09:30 < quaid> I haven't been able to do much extra at all, such as the Tasks page, we still need to jam it ahead as a collaboratively built page
09:32 < JonRob> quaid: if i find the time i'll help out here too
09:33 < quaid> ok, so for the rest of the guides ...
09:34 < couf> AG guide is something we should get started on post F7
09:35 < couf> and as fast as possible, to get this out somewhat half of the F8 cycle, as this doesn't change that much between releases
09:36 < quaid> we're having a bit of a lull in writing participation, is this just the time of year (school end) and near-to-release?
09:36 < quaid> maybe we should do the bulk of writing for these kind of guides between releases, and just have them updated lightly when the next release near?
09:36 < JonRob> quaid: sounds like a good approach, minimises stress!
09:36 < jmbuser> quaid: +1
09:36 < couf> quaid: yeah, a combination of both
09:36 < couf> quaid: +1
09:38 < JonRob> what do people think of the software management guide?
09:39 < JonRob> could a lot of that be pulled into the admin guide?
09:39 < JonRob> or maybe the essentials
09:39 < quaid> well
09:39 < quaid> it's for end-users
09:39 < pingou_laptop> I have to go ...
09:39 -!- pingou_laptop [n=pingou(a)haar113.athome221.WAU.NL] has left #fedora-docs ["Salut!!"]
09:40 < quaid> JonRob: we wouldn't want to send end-users into a chapter of the AG to learn something, too scary
09:40 < quaid> the idea of the stand-alone is to empower those users, "oh, this is easy"
09:40 < couf> part in DUG, part in AG?
09:40 < JonRob> quaid: yeah but a lot of the SMG is pretty scary!
09:40 < couf> as in updating your software -> DUG, adding repo's -> AG
09:40 < quaid> hmm
09:40 < quaid> true that
09:41 < quaid> mether: you about?
09:41 < quaid> that's a sensible proposal, i think
09:41 < quaid> JonRob: can you make that suggestion (as couf laid it out) on-list?
09:42 < JonRob> quaid: sure
09:42 < quaid> mether has been doing the bulk of the work there, I'm sure he'll think it's a good idea, and the advantage of adding a little content to grow an existing team effort is a good one
09:43 < quaid> ok, then, let's cover the last item ...
09:44 < quaid> en v. en_US etc.
09:44 < quaid> now, I claim near-ignorance here, I've never researched the standards and UTF needs and such
09:45 < JonRob> (posted to the list, hope i got the message across)
09:47 < couf> hmm it seems the official list says it's a three character thing right now
09:47 < couf> http://www.loc.gov/standards/iso639-2/ISO-639-2_values_8bits-utf-8.txt
09:47 < couf> http://www.loc.gov/standards/iso639-2/php/code_list.php
09:47 < couf> last one is a bit easier to read
09:49 < quaid> so what is the deal with the _XY
09:49 < couf> it seemed to have never been an ISO-standard
09:49 -!- [splinux] [n=[splinux@fedora/splinux] has left #fedora-docs ["Quitte"]
09:51 < couf> so that would mean ...
09:52 < couf> a) everything has to a ab-type code
09:52 < couf> b) change like everything to the newest ISO standard, meaning docs, software, ....
09:52 < couf> and hope that gettext get's this
09:57 < couf> ah, got the _XY, it's the country code, which may be added to specify to which country this specific translation applies
09:59 < quaid> ah
09:59 < quaid> cool
10:00 < quaid> couf: we do specifically use US English in these cases
10:00 < quaid> why?
10:00 < quaid> I want a Brit to be able to write en_UK and then I can become a translator!
10:01 < couf> quaid: you're americans ;-)
10:01 < couf> as such, should we move everything on docs.fp.org to use en_US instead of en?
10:02 < quaid> probably
10:02 < quaid> in fact, that is a leftover inconsistency yes
10:03 < quaid> ok, let's confirm this detail to the list so there are no surprises
10:03 * quaid asks couf to send that email
10:03 < quaid> and then we can close this meetin'
10:03 < couf> sure
10:04 < quaid> rather ... any other business/topics?
10:04 < couf> ow yeah, I've got one left
10:04 < couf> are we gonna update the style to the new static page style, or stay like it is and wait for plone?
10:05 < JonRob> there's a new static page style!?
10:06 < couf> JonRob: yeah, it's coming http://fedora.riczho.dyndns.org/static/
10:06 < quaid> oh, we can wait
10:06 < quaid> well, I see what you mean
10:06 < quaid> we could update docs.fp.o, sure
10:06 < quaid> ultimately, yes, Plone will handle it, and we'll port the CSS to the Wiki as well
10:06 < JonRob> couf: cool :D
10:07 < quaid> JonRob: static page because we want the front of fp.o to load fast for the release, unlike for FC-6
10:07 < quaid> so we're doing two-birds, one-stone -- static page and new style for the site
10:07 < JonRob> quaid: yeah, is awesome idea i think
10:07 < quaid> couf: let's plan on updating docs.fp.o with the new style, once it is fully baked
10:08 < quaid> it's actually in CVS now, so we could start experimenting
10:08 < couf> quaid: cool
10:08 * quaid is not sure if there are any here who like to play with CSS
10:08 < quaid> actually, I like it now, but I'm jammed on time, so I probably won't play
10:08 * couf thinks glezos ;-)
10:08 -!- jmbuser [n=jmbuser(a)195.229.24.83] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
10:08 < quaid> but it is all in cvs.fp.o:/cvs/web/static
10:09 -!- jmbuser [n=jmbuser(a)195.229.24.83] has joined #fedora-docs
10:09 < quaid> yeah, when glezos gets back from galavanting around, we'll ask him, if it's not done already :)
10:09 < couf> okay, well if I find some time, I'll have a got at it
10:10 < couf> that's all for me
10:10 < quaid> it's probably pretty straightforward
10:10 < quaid> esp with the Web Developer plugin for Firefox
10:10 < quaid> ok, if there is nothing more ...
10:10 * quaid waits 30 seconds
10:10 < couf> Web Devel + Firebug ++ :-)
10:11 < quaid> do they do similar things? or are they complementary?
10:11 < quaid> final countdown ...
10:11 < quaid> 5
10:11 < quaid> 4
10:11 < quaid> 3
10:11 < quaid> 2
10:11 < quaid> 1
10:11 < quaid> </meeting>
16 years, 11 months
Re: [Fedora Project Wiki] Update of "Docs/Drafts/DesktopUserGuide/Desktops" by JohnBabich
by Paul W. Frields
I'm using this wiki commit message as an opportunity to talk about some
problems I'm seeing in composition and style that writers should keep in
mind. This hopefully will benefit a bunch of folks...
On Sat, 2007-05-19 at 14:21 +0000, fedorawiki-noreply(a)fedoraproject.org
wrote:
> The three major desktop managers included with Fedora 7 are:
>
> - * GNOME - previously the desktop manager installed by default
> + * GNOME - previously the default desktop manager, still an
> excellent choice
> - * KDE - a desktop manager known for its large collection of
> applications and great customization
> + * KDE - a desktop manager known for its large collection of
> applications and great customization features
> - * Xfce - an excellent desktop manager for legacy PCs and laptops,
> due to its low-memory requirements
> + * Xfce - an excellent desktop manager for legacy PCs and laptops,
> due to its low-memory requirements, with great add-on features
PROBLEM: Making judgment calls in writing. Do not classify things as
"good," "bad," "ugly," or anything else subjective. Do not show bias or
qualitative comparison.
> Many others are also available, some of which can be installed from
> Fedora's extensive library of applications, or ''repositories''.
>
> Before describing the desktop managers in greater detail, it's good
> to know that applications written for one desktop manager work with
> other managers with very few exceptions.
>
> - For instance, '''konqueror''' is a combination web browser/file
> manager which is part of the KDE suite of applications. Although a KDE
> application, Konqueror also runs seamlessly with the GNOME and Xfce
> desktop managers available with Fedora.
> + For instance, '''Konqueror''' is a combination web browser/file
> manager which is part of the KDE suite of applications. Although a KDE
> application, Konqueror also runs seamlessly with the GNOME and Xfce
> desktop managers available with Fedora.
PROBLEM #1: Do not use "/" in writing, such as "he/she," "and/or", or
any other construct. Some languages do not allow this construct --
therefore avoid it. Use "and" or "or," or simply restructure the
sentence to avoid this issue.
PROBLEM #2: The word "combination" is unnecessary here. By using the
word "and" the implication is that the application is indeed a
combination, so fixing Problem #1 will take care of this issue.
PROBLEM #3: Avoid adverbs where possible, since they often indicate
qualitative judgments (see above).
PROBLEM #4: Avoid misleading technical cues. "[A]vailable with Fedora"
seems to imply that the user's Fedora system comes with these desktop
managers installed, which often may not be the case.
SOLUTION: "Konqueror is a web browser and file manager included in the
KDE suite of applications. Konqueror can also be used with the GNOME
and Xfce desktop managers."
> Another example is the '''Open``Office.org''' office suite.
> Open``Office.org applications run on the three major desktops shipped
> with Fedora. In fact, once an application is in use, it's sometimes
> difficult to tell which desktop manager is active.
PROBLEM #1: Avoid contractions such as "it's."
PROBLEM #2: The use of "In fact" here is unnecessary and implies that
we're not being factual in other parts of the document, which I would
assume is not the case. :-)
> Remember, Fedora Linux is all about choice. There are many
> applications from which to choose in order for Fedora users to browse
> the World Wide Web, write and edit documents, and display and edit
> photos.
PROBLEM #1: Telling the user "Remember" is an unnecessary instruction.
Furthermore, there is a qualitative judgment that "Fedora Linux [sic] is
all about choice." Rephrase this to remove these issues.
PROBLEM #2: The phrase "in order" (such as "in order to" or "in order
for") is usually redundant. Avoid it whenever possible.
PROBLEM #3: Avoid passive voice to make sentences stronger.
SOLUTION: "Fedora offers an array of choices for performing many common
tasks. Users may choose from many applications to browse the World Wide
Web, write and edit documents, and display and edit photos."
> - This guide describes the most common applications which are
> installed. Other applications are also described as equally good
> alternatives to the "default" applications. In fact, the idea of a
> "default application" is becoming rather meaningless, as the ease of
> installing Fedora applications increases.
> + This guide describes the most common applications which are
> installed. Other applications are also described that are equally good
> alternatives to the "default" applications. In fact, the idea of a
> "default application" is becoming rather meaningless, as the ease of
> installing Fedora applications increases.
PROBLEM #1: Qualitative judgments ("equally good alternatives," "rather
meaningless.")
PROBLEM #2: The FDUG's objective is to describe the default
installation of Fedora. Avoid mission drift.
SOLUTION: "This guide describes the most commonly installed desktop
applications."
(And then ensure the FDUG actually *DOES* this.)
--
Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/
gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717
Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields
irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug
16 years, 11 months
FDSCo Meeting Today?
by John Babich
Are we having the regularly scheduled meeting today (Sunday) at 1400 hrs UTC?
John Babich
Fedora Docs Project
16 years, 11 months
I'm back!
by Pawel Sadowski
Hi guys!
I'm writing to inform you that I'm already back after my exams. I have
5170 mails to read, so I can find out what's going on :) Ok, I think
that's all for now. It's wonderful to be here again :)
Cheers,
Pawel
16 years, 11 months
Q: Docs Translation statictics
by Hyuugabaru
Hi, all:
I'm translating messages and docs into Japanese these three weeks or so.
I've translated "about-fedora", "homepage", "readme", and "readme-burning-isos".
(At the starting, the scores were 1/8/31, 11/2/24, 1/9/54, and 54/34/10)
Now, I'm suffering to translate "release-notes". There are so many fuzzies and
untranslateds.
I've been checking from the web page:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Translation/Statistics
but currently, it does not show translation statistics of Japanese release-notes.
So, I copied and modified the shell script on the web page and executed, but it
shows:
ja: /396/ /396/34/ /397/ /3/
just like <stickster_work> at 09:10 in "FDSCo Meeting 2007-05-12 IRC log" saying
the statistics of homepage-ja.
The first scores I logged were 112/195/233/ and, the last scores showed on the
web page were 146/170/224.
I'm not so familiar with cvs command. How do I get the correct statistics?
Thanks in advance.
p.s.
I'm new to translate on Fedora Project, and made some handing errors.
--> Thanks Paul W. Frields for correctings.
Hyu_gabaru Ryu_ichi
hyu_gabaru(a)yahoo.co.jp
Shizuoka, Japan
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http://pr.mail.yahoo.co.jp/toolbar/
16 years, 11 months
Re: Making beagle optional
by Rahul Sundaram
Jesse Keating wrote:
> On Monday 14 May 2007 16:14:48 Jesse Keating wrote:
>> The beagle package set will be added to the manifest for the 'Fedora' spin
>> of Fedora 7. This will help folks upgrading from Fedora Core 6 that may
>> have beagle installed.
>
> To clarify, this will make the beagle packages available on the Fedora spin
> isos, but still only optional packages. They will be available for the
> upgrade case, and users would have to click on them specifically in the
> package selection screen to get them on the install case.
It won't be available within the live images. Right?
Rahul
16 years, 11 months
FDSCo Meeting 2007-05-12 IRC log
by Karsten Wade
Also at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings/Minu...
09:07 < quaid> <meeting>
09:07 * quaid was busy handing out oatmeal and toast
09:08 * gomix my first... just listening
09:08 < stickster_work> hi everybody
09:08 < couf> hi all
09:08 < stickster_work> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings
09:08 * EvilBob is still here
09:09 * stickster_work just posted an update to the relnotes schedule to closer match reality
09:09 < quaid> ok
09:09 < stickster_work> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Schedule
09:09 < stickster_work> didn't do guide schedule tho'
09:10 < quaid> we can discuss that one
09:10 < couf> yeah, guides in somewhat uncertain
09:10 < stickster_work> Also, check out those statistics: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Translation/Statistics
09:10 < couf> s/in/is
09:11 < quaid> wow, are those, like, complete?
09:11 * quaid works on his, you know, King of the Comma thing
09:12 < stickster_work> Yeah, and ignore the funkiness in the homepage-ja -- there's a trivial error in the PO but that one is done too.
09:12 < couf> nice stats, thanks for keeping this up2date
09:12 * quaid was just going to ask about that one
09:12 < stickster_work> Unfortunately, Emacs is terminally busted in Rawhide right now so I can't open it to fix it! :-)
09:12 < quaid> I bet Vim isn't busted! :)
09:13 < stickster_work> Oh, AS IF I'd use that... ;-)
09:13 < EvilBob> lol
09:13 < jsmith> stickster_work: You *will* and you'll like it :-)
09:13 < stickster_work> I like eating chinese food with one chopstick too
09:13 * quaid side notes that he is happy that jsmith is a DocBook and Vim user, might help us to improve our story in that area
09:13 < stickster_work> No kidding
09:13 < jsmith> That's right!
09:13 < stickster_work> By the way, everyone, welcome jsmith, a great guy who lives about 20 min. from my house, believe it or not
09:14 * quaid *boggles*
09:14 < quaid> a real-life person :)
09:14 < stickster_work> OK, maybe 30
09:14 < stickster_work> Published author extraordinaire
09:14 < jsmith> So, I signed up for an account... still need to introduce myself on the list
09:14 < couf> sweetness
09:14 < jsmith> Make my new gpg key, etc. this morning too
09:14 < EvilBob> legends don't need introduction?
09:14 < quaid> ok, i declare myself happy with the state of the relnotes and translations
09:14 < EvilBob> or something
09:14 < couf> quaid: ++
09:15 < quaid> EvilBob: they do, unless they want people to make up their own story about their legend status
09:15 < EvilBob> lol
09:15 < stickster_work> We'll drop this to releng 'round about Thursday
09:15 < stickster_work> If I can interject a little status here
09:15 < quaid> aye?
09:15 < quaid> or, rather, aye! (?)
09:15 < stickster_work> I spoke with glezos at RHS about this, in particular, whether we wanted to try and sneak in any additional content the last few days
09:15 < quaid> heh heh
09:16 < stickster_work> He felt it would be a bad idea. I was hoping to get in one or two Very Important Things, but I thought better of it on the plane coming home.
09:16 < quaid> after all, if it ain't broke yet, keep on hitting it with a hammer!
09:16 < quaid> stickster_work: now you feel like all the other people who worry about our early schedule for trans
09:16 < quaid> remember our secret plan?
09:16 < stickster_work> What I think made up my mind was a bit of thread I saw on either f-devel-l or f-maintainers-l
09:16 < quaid> that we are going to put a link at the top of all pages to the Web-version?
09:17 * quaid actually never got a confirmation that this plan was a good idea
09:17 * couf likes linking
09:17 -!- jmbuser [n=chatzill(a)212.70.37.3] has joined #fedora-docs
09:18 < stickster_work> What does "at the top of all pages" mean, remind me?
09:18 * jmbuser joins you late via a 26.4 kbps dial-up connection
09:18 < quaid> ok, like this ...
09:18 < couf> welcome jmbuser
09:18 < stickster_work> Hi jmbuser!
09:18 < EvilBob> Hey look jmbuser is here kinda
09:18 < jmbuser> carry on
09:18 < EvilBob> jmbuser: Don't worry we will type slow for you
09:19 < quaid> stickster_work: we copy the admonition from the OverView (in all $LANGs) and paste it at the top of each XML page
09:19 < quaid> probably the best way is to ...
09:19 < quaid> do the change in the XML in en_US, then make new POT, then copy in the msgstr to each POT file
09:20 < stickster_work> quaid: Shouldn't have to even do the copying -- the gettext utilities should be smart enough to do all this automagically
09:20 < quaid> cool
09:20 < stickster_work> I mean, the copying of other LANGs.
09:20 < stickster_work> I'll give this a whirl real quick and tell you results before we're done here
09:20 < quaid> I know it makes the pages a bit busy, but ...
09:20 < stickster_work> I was going to suggest that we put it at the top of all the "substantive" parts, i.e. not the colophon, stuff like that
09:21 < quaid> anything else on the relnotes?
09:21 < quaid> ok, sure, colophon we can skip
09:21 < stickster_work> Also, we should be dropping the PackageChanges content from the XML version
09:21 < quaid> oh, yeah, def.
09:21 < stickster_work> coolness
09:21 < couf> aye
09:21 < stickster_work> ha!
09:21 < quaid> we're going to leave that on the wiki, right?
09:21 * stickster_work keeps typing "emacs <something>" by habit and gets ugly stack dump
09:21 < stickster_work> quaid: +1, right
09:22 < stickster_work> just eliminate from shipping version
09:22 < quaid> 'scool
09:22 * stickster_work cries over his lost Emacs
09:22 < quaid> no doubt
09:22 < stickster_work> "You never gave up on anything in your life, you bitch! Now fight! FIIIIIGHT!!!!"
09:23 < stickster_work> (Ed Harris, "The Abyss"? Anyone? *sigh)
09:23 * stickster_work simmers down
09:23 < jsmith> Yeah, I got it
09:24 < jsmith> Good movie, considering
09:24 < stickster_work> thank goodness...
09:24 < quaid> +1 to the director's cut, -1 to the theater release
09:24 < stickster_work> true dat
09:24 < jsmith> Haven't seen the director's cut
09:24 * jsmith needs to do that
09:24 < quaid> it's like "2.5 stars" becomes "3.5 stars"
09:25 < quaid> ok ...
09:25 * couf needs to see it
09:25 < quaid> on to IG talk
09:25 < quaid> (and other guides, one at a time)
09:25 < jmbuser> focus
09:25 < stickster_work> Uh-oh, IG is me too
09:25 < quaid> jmbuser: well, yeah, since you may disappear in a cloud of modem at any time
09:25 < jmbuser> ok
09:25 < stickster_work> Actually, I've made quite a bit of progress, been committing steadily
09:26 < stickster_work> Still encouraging people to check out, patch, whatever
09:27 < stickster_work> the RHS interfered somewhat, as I suspected, and when I got back I had a horrendous back spasm that put me out of commish for the last 48 hours
09:27 < stickster_work> I should be able to do quite a bit more work this week
09:27 < stickster_work> The week's slippage is a bit of a godsend if for no other reason than that
09:27 < EvilBob> +1
09:27 * quaid has been reading IG, but not for a week
09:27 < quaid> I'll def. add an edit this week
09:28 < quaid> we can talk about the schedule here, too
09:28 < quaid> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Schedule#Guides
09:28 < EvilBob> For those of you who don't know the internet access in the rooms at the RHS was worse than jmbuser's connection plus it was shared
09:28 < stickster_work> That is NO lie.
09:29 < stickster_work> The only decent wifi was set up by RH, which meant a 1/4 mile walk from my tower to the convention area
09:29 < EvilBob> Several of us worked a lot in the summit spaces even after hours
09:29 < couf> ouch
09:29 < stickster_work> So, back on topic --
09:30 < stickster_work> From my vantage point, I think a F7 GA of 5/31 is somewhat... optimistic.
09:30 < stickster_work> It could happen.
09:30 < stickster_work> But the QA efforts have been hampered by the Rawhide slump during the final parts of the merge.
09:30 < stickster_work> There are a number of regressions that the developers are trying to overcome
09:31 < EvilBob> Yeah looking like early June from the voices I have been hearing
09:31 < stickster_work> So we may be in good shape by setting a CVS freeze up for, say, 22 May
09:31 < stickster_work> Maybe even 27 May
09:31 < quaid> let's presume a later release for all guides, except ...
09:31 < quaid> maybe we can be prepared with just the IG in case they finish "on time"
09:31 < stickster_work> I think 22 May gives the translators more time for these guides, but we should keep in mind that translations may not come out until significantly after GA
09:31 < stickster_work> quaid: Roger that
09:32 < jmbuser> BTW, has anyone else had some hiccups in F7T4 after updating?
09:32 < EvilBob> quaid: +1
09:32 < quaid> yes, that's OK, as long as the English is out on time and we are updating with l10n rapidly
09:32 < stickster_work> jmbuser: Yes, let's save that discussion for after meeting tho'
09:32 < couf> quaid: +1
09:32 < jmbuser> ok
09:32 < couf> May 27 seems like a reasonable freeze-date
09:33 < EvilBob> I think if we can team up with Paul on the IG and get it done then start looking at other targets it would be a good idea
09:34 < quaid> sure, just not all of us :) because we have other stuff to get done, too
09:35 < stickster_work> +1
09:36 < jsmith> So, assuming I find some time this week to help out, what should I begin with?
09:36 < stickster_work> I'd appreciate if someone files a bug saying, "You forgot <X>"
09:37 * EvilBob goes to file that bug
09:37 < quaid> I think jsmith is probably needed on either the user guide or the admin guide
09:37 < jsmith> OK... I'll look for those modules in CVS
09:37 < stickster_work> yeah, I think a large part of this is reviewing what's been written for style and audience consideration
09:37 < stickster_work> Is either of those in CVS yet?
09:38 < couf> dug version 6 yes, devel not yet
09:38 < couf> or fug or whatever
09:39 < couf> admin not afaik
09:39 < quaid> sorry, Wiki
09:39 < stickster_work> yeah, jsmith, here's where you find out how much work there really is to do :-D
09:39 < stickster_work> We've been paying a penalty on "few writers, lotsa work"
09:40 * stickster_work considers briefly analogy to budget deficit and give sup
09:40 < stickster_work> s/give sup/gives up/
09:40 < jsmith> That's fine... I can't guarantee how much time I can devote to the project, but I'll do my best
09:41 < stickster_work> Rather than divvying up our forces too much, why not let jsmith collaborate on either the UG or the IG as he sees fit?
09:41 < stickster_work> We can set other targets after those are done, with a better chance of getting things done for F8
09:42 < jmbuser> jsmith: Are you willing and able to add some KDE love to the DUG/FUG?
09:42 * couf nots yum-guide is sorta getta some love in the wiki
09:42 < jsmith> I haven't touched KDE in ages
09:42 < couf> s/nots/notes
09:43 < jsmith> Of course, that might mean I'll see it with fresh eyes!
09:43 * couf loves our new tagline ;)
09:44 < stickster_work> Who is helping mether with the yum SMG?
09:44 < jmbuser> jsmith: I overcame my writer's block today (on the wiki) and am trying to figure out how to deal fairly with both KDE and GNOME apps
09:45 < jmbuser> jsmith: without totally confusing the reader.
09:45 < couf> stickster_work: iirc JonRob
09:46 < jmtaylor> I have some time this week to devote, if someone could point me in a direction :)
09:46 < stickster_work> jmtaylor: Do you have a Rawhide box?
09:46 < stickster_work> Or F7test4
09:46 < stickster_work> ?
09:46 < jmtaylor> I can make one yes
09:46 < stickster_work> jmtaylor: OK, you're going to need to be a little proactive here
09:47 < stickster_work> Install one, then check http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/SoftwareManagementGuide
09:47 < stickster_work> There are some "to-do's" at the top
09:47 < stickster_work> So start checking chapters, find out what doesn't work right anymore (has become outdated), and fix it on the wiki
09:47 < stickster_work> That's an easy way to have a BIG impact right away
09:47 < jmbuser> +1
09:47 < stickster_work> Rahul, Jon and lots of the rest of us can watch your commits.
09:48 < stickster_work> jmtaylor: Do you have watch pages set in your wiki user prefs?
09:48 < stickster_work> At the very least, you should set one for Docs/Drafts/SoftwareManagement*
09:48 < jmtaylor> stickster_work: yes, I do
09:48 < stickster_work> That will show you any changes that we make in response
09:48 < stickster_work> So you can pick up tips and hints on how to write more clearly (or at least more in line with our style preferences) :-)
09:49 < stickster_work> Assuming, of course, that the changes are improvements -- which is not necessarily a given! :-D
09:49 < stickster_work> We all try our best ;-)
09:49 < jmtaylor> heh, true
09:49 < stickster_work> OK, my time is running short guys, for whatever that's worth
09:50 < EvilBob> I figure about $143 per hour
09:50 < stickster_work> Is there anyone thinking "Gee, I don't have enough to do."?
09:50 < stickster_work> :-D
09:51 < jmbuser> you or me? :-)
09:51 < couf> jmbuser: okay to start converting the fug to xml so we have an xml in the back?
09:51 * stickster_work blows outta here like the wind, back to $DAYJOB
09:51 < couf> stickster_work: thanks dude
09:52 < jmbuser> couf: You may have noticed that I'm starting to edit the docs/drafts version
09:52 < jmbuser> stickster_work: thanks
09:52 < couf> yeah, that's why :-) want to be a bit proactive here aswell
09:52 < couf> some stuff won't change, give translators some chances to get it ahead of time
09:53 < stickster_work> couf: Keep in mind, once you go XML, it gets exponentially harder to bring in chnages
09:53 < stickster_work> well, exponentially is not quite right... but somewhat more difficult, to be sure
09:53 < jmbuser> couf: Unfortunately, I'm not a methodical writer - I will probably be banging on it for some time - and seeking feedback
09:53 < quaid> right, there is a gray line
09:54 < couf> stickster_work: thanks for the warning there :)
09:54 < jmbuser> couf: wiki is good for getting feedback quickly
09:54 < stickster_work> couf: np, let me know if I'm annoying you :-D
09:54 < quaid> there is a point where it is easier to re-convert than to manually port changes
09:55 < couf> jmbuser: sure go ahead, warn us in time to do the conv
09:55 < stickster_work> true
09:55 * jmbuser wants to go wild on the wiki :-)
09:56 < quaid> go baby go!
09:56 * quaid looks at the agenda again
09:56 < jmbuser> couf: give me a deadline
09:56 < quaid> I think we need to seek AG status on list
09:56 < quaid> and that ties up all the business
09:56 < couf> quaid: yeah, not sure if that's even alive
09:57 < couf> jmbuser: take your time, my friend :-)
09:59 < couf> quick question: are we still using the publish queue for putting docs online?
10:00 -!- jmtaylor [n=jason(a)c-68-42-82-39.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
10:00 < stickster_work> yes
10:00 < stickster_work> At least, I do
10:00 < stickster_work> It's an easy way to spot documents that are ready
10:01 < couf> yeah, although most translators don't even know about it
10:01 < stickster_work> yes, it probably needs to go into TQSG
10:01 < stickster_work> couf: Maybe you could file a bug on that?
10:02 < couf> sure
10:02 < stickster_work> I'll fix it as soon as I get a few min
10:02 < stickster_work> Or you could feel free to do it yourself, I'll see the commit and edit as necessary
10:02 < couf> yeah, I might do that
10:02 < couf> I'll open the bug in any case
10:03 < quaid> the pub-queue was sort of a stop-gap ...
10:03 < quaid> we can continue using it until glezos' magic system does auto-alerts :0
10:04 < couf> oooh magic :)
10:04 < stickster_work> right
10:04 < quaid> ok, that looks like the stuff
10:04 < quaid> any other business? (AOB)
10:05 < couf> heh lol, bug already exists (#198848)
10:06 < couf> quaid: nothing here
10:06 < quaid> right on from me, too
10:06 * quaid does the 10 second count down to close
10:07 < quaid> 10
10:07 < quaid> 9
10:07 < quaid> 8
10:07 < quaid> 7
10:07 < quaid> 6
10:07 < quaid> 5
10:07 < quaid> 4
10:07 < quaid> 3
10:07 < quaid> 2
10:07 < quaid> 1
10:07 < jsmith> 3.14
10:07 < quaid> curses, caught by pi!
10:07 < quaid> </meeting>
16 years, 11 months
Re: Making beagle optional
by Rahul Sundaram
Alexander Larsson wrote:
> I just commited a change to comps which makes beagle optional instead of
> installed by default. The idea with beagle (and tracker) is nice, but
> bugs keep on showing up causing the search daemon to use a lot of cpu
> and/or memory, and this makes the default install look pretty bad.
>
> This is somewhat of a feature regression in the default install, but at
> this point we just don't have the manpower to make it work 100%. But if
> people want it its still there, and eventually it'll be good enought to
> turn on by default without affecting the general distro quality.
>
A very good decision. Thank you.
Rahul
16 years, 11 months
