Advancing the beats
by Karsten Wade
It was cool to see the naming scheme Sparks chose for the beats:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Documentation_Beats
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Documentation_Boot_Beats
In my mind, the beats were always potentially more than just release
notes. The Fedora Weekly News actually uses the beats concept more
successfully -- the natural flow from writer to the audience in a
single publication makes sense.
By contrast, the release notes have always suffered from content that
might have been better in other locations ... that didn't exist. This
undermined the organizing of the content. For Fedora 10, we devised a
new scheme -- major chapters that pulled the beats in various nestings
using the power of modular XML files converted 1:1 from the wiki
pages.
Now that we have a larger documentation base and greater need for
updated content, I wonder if now is a good time for the beats to take
on a larger purpose? Providing the stream of content that feeds in to
all the myriad documentation. Does that pervert the usefulness of the
beats to the release notes? Or rather provide a way to clean them up
a bit?
For example, there is often content in the release notes that could be
in the Installation Guide[1]. We maintained a long piece originally
by Tommy Reynolds about building custom kernel packages, which finally
migrated to the wiki and remains with a reference.[2] And so on.
There seems to be a use for filtered and unfiltered feeds of content
that the Docs Project can use to populate parts of various documents,
instead of just jamming it all in to the release notes. ;-) The
mailing list 'fedora-relnotes-content'[3] that receives release notes
reports has always provided information useful to other documents.
Lest you think I'm crazy suggesting a process change this late in the
F11 release cycle, I don't think it has to be that much of a
difference. More of an awareness to share with beat writers -- gather
content that might have meaning beyond just release notes, and Docs
will parse it to the right content home.
- Karsten
[1] http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f10/en_US/What_is_New_for_Ins...
[2] http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f10/en_US/How_are_Things_for_...
[3] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-relnotes-content
Receives relnotes(a)fedoraproject.org, release notes bugzilla
reports/fedora_requires_release_notes flags, used to watch the
Docs/Beats.* changes in the MoinMoin wiki, good place to send a feed
of all changes to the beat pages.
--
Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Community Gardener
http://quaid.fedorapeople.org
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FDSCo Meeting 2009-01-28 Summary
by Eric Christensen
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Attendees:
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sparks
stickster
quaid
jjmcd
ke4qqq
laubersm
jsmith
Summary:
- ---------
* Leadership refresh
Quaid said he wanted to appoint Sparks to be Docs Lead for the rest of
F11. An election will be held after F11. Also, during those elections
we can decide how long a leader will serve, etc. The nomination passed.
Also, Ryanlerch and jjmcd will handle F11 release notes with jjmcd
taking it for F12.
* CMS Plan
We discussed the CMS options and voted to approve Zikula. This stemmed
from a conversation that occurred immediately before the meeting where
all the concerns were worked out. Simon, from Zikula, immediately began
work.
* Release Notes
Discussion on what needed to be done on the Release Notes was discussed.
An update will be given next week.
* Docs Project Page Changes
Noted that ianweller is working with G_work to get the wikibot turned
loose on the wiki.
* John Poelstra's Schedule
ke4qqq was present on a conference call to discuss scheduling the
release notes. releng will handle the alpha announcement and then Docs
will take Beta and the GA release.
* Task Table
Quaid went through the table and updated projects with input from the
group. Various tasks were updated.
Meeting ended at 2000 UTC.
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15 years, 2 months
[FW: Re: Reminder: Do not use trademarks in Summary or Description]
by Paul W. Frields
This comes from a recent thread in fedora-devel-list:
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-January/msg02376.html
I added appropriate guidance to the Style Guide here:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/StyleGuide/QuickReference
Paul
----- Forwarded message from Tom spot Callaway <tcallawa(a)redhat.com> -----
On 2009-01-30 at 14:57:51 -0500, "Paul W. Frields" <stickster(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 02:52:25PM -0500, Tom spot Callaway wrote:
>> On 2009-01-30 at 14:46:36 -0500, "Paul W. Frields" <stickster(a)gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Would you say we should treat trademarked terms similarly in Fedora
>>> documentation? If so, I'll note that in the Style Guide for future
>>> reference.
>> I'll ask RH Legal. The advice given was strictly in reference to package
>> Summary and Descriptions.
>
> Fantastic, thanks Spot... we can move any follow up to
> fedora-legal-list if you like.
No need, it can't hurt.
They advised that the same advice applies to Documentation.
Never use "tm" or "(R)". If we are obliged by contract to mention other
trademarks in a legend, add the legend as required by the contract.
In addition, our documentation should contain the disclaimer: "All
other trademarks are the property of their respective owners."
~spot
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15 years, 2 months
Introduction Teb (Zikula / Documentation project)
by Teb (Zikula NL)
Hi all,
I have just subscribed to both the fedora-infrastructure-list and the
fedora-docs-list to keep you (and myself) updated about the
documentation project.
My name is Arjen Tebbenhof, 32 years old and currently employed at
AMB-IT / ChampionChip in the Netherlands as a (web) software engineer.
In this function, I maintain a backend-portal for our clients, and I am
responsible for planning and implementation in this specific field
(using PHP and an Oracle DBMS). Before this, I owned a company
specialized in delivering CMS solutions, but that never really got
lucrative enough to make a living :) I have a Bachelors Degree in
Econometrics and Operations Research, at the Erasmus University
Rotterdam, The Netherlands.
I am the current maintainer of the packaging environment for the Zikula
Application Framework for the last year or so. Besides that, I am the
team leader of the Dutch Zikula Community for the last five years, and
maintain all dutch translations for the project. I never really
contributed any code to the project, but behaved more as a sidekick
between developers and the users, mainly providing support. I have basic
knowledge of *nix systems, but have better specialties in PHP OOP,
Databases, CVS/SVN repositories and packaging.
For the Documentation Project, I will assist Simon and the rest of the
newly involved list members with the new Fedora Docs portal. And
therefore have applied to the sysadmin and sysadmin-test groups.
Arjen (aka Teb)
15 years, 2 months
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Introducing Myself
by Simon Birtwistle
All,
Having just requested access to the sysadmin and sysadmin-test groups on FAS
and on the advice of David Nalley I thought I should introduce myself. I
have been working with the docs team over the last week on the possibility
of running the Zikula Application Framework as the CMS behind
docs.fedoraproject.org. I am a member of the board of the Zikula Software
Foundation and the Zikula Steering Committee, and I have been acting as the
lead in discussions about how to best address the needs of the docs project
on their website, and the needs of the Fedora project at large.
My name is Simon Birtwistle, and I'm currently located in Cambridge in the
UK. I am in the final year of studying for a degree in Computer Science at
Cambridge University, and providing all goes well I'll be graduating in
June. I've used Fedora on and off for years and years, though despite
thinking about it I never got around to contributing. Most of my time is
taken up with the Zikula project, where my work with the Steering Committee
involves project management and day to day organisation, but I'm hoping that
I can combine my work there with useful work on the Fedora websites where
it's helpful.
Skills wise, I am mainly a web developer, as you'd expect, with a good
knowledge of PHP and MySQL. I also have experience with Java as well as C#
.NET and some other less well known languages from my degree course. I have
also used Docbook in the past for Zikula project documentation, so I at
least have a vague idea where the docs project are coming from.
I'm hoping that I, and Zikula as a project, will be able to provide a big
boost to the docs project's publishing workflow.
Simon
15 years, 2 months
fresh leader
by Karsten Wade
Thanks all for your thoughtful responses about leadership for this
project.
From that discussion I saw a reasonable consensus that was both good
and fair. We just approved that consensus in the Docs meeting.
For the remainder of Fedora 11 release, I'm asking Eric Christensen
(Sparks) to step up as leader for the Fedora Documentation Project.
In essence, I am appointing him as a replacement, with the full
approval of all the people who usually show up to meetings and
discuss/approve stuff.
After Fedora 11 releases, we'll have a general election in this
project. We can decide between now and then exactly what we are doing
-- electing one person, a council, for how long are the terms, etc.
Anyone who doesn't care about this stuff can just ignore those
threads. (Seriously.)
Rotating leadership more frequently is a good idea for this project.
We can give more of you a chance to get the experience and shape Docs
with your enthusiasm.
IMO, we've never had a stronger and more passionate group of
contributors in Docs. This is a perfect time for new leadership to
emerge and take over. So many are capable and interested in making
this project better and more successful.
As I said before, I'm not going anywhere; I'm just doing what is long
overdue so I can be more productive as a Docs contributor and this
project can improve through the art of change. :)
- Karsten
--
Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Community Gardener
http://quaid.fedorapeople.org
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FDSCo Meeting 2008-01-28 IRC log
by Eric Christensen
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14:00 < Sparks> <meeting id="Docs team">
14:00 -!- Sparks changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Docs Meeting
14:00 * stickster here
14:00 * quaid is 50% here as [[User:Kwade|Karsten 'quaid' Wade]]
14:00 * jjmcd here
14:00 * Sparks here
14:00 * ke4qqq is here
14:01 < Sparks> Meeting agenda:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings#Wed...
14:01 -!- zk-Simon [n=public(a)nat-studcudn-172-24-62-0.fitz.cam.ac.uk]
has joined #fedora-meeting
14:01 * laubersm here
14:02 -!- Sparks changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Docs Meeting -
Status on leadership (re)fresh
14:02 < Sparks> Okay, I'm going to turn this over to quaid before he has
to leave
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14:02 < quaid> yeah, I'm in a meeting call right now
14:02 < quaid> and have 1/2 attention
14:02 -!- jsmith-lunch
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14:02 < quaid> so will be fast as I can
14:02 < quaid> first, thanks Sparks for taking the meeting today.
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14:03 < quaid> second, it's clear on the list to me that we can reach
consensus on leadership stuff with a scheme I have in mind.
14:03 < quaid> 1. I'd like to appoint Sparks to be Docs Lead for the
(rest of) F11; his willingness and coordinating/organizing are clear all
ready, and he
is interested and able.
14:04 < quaid> 2. We can then have an election just after F11, including
deciding how long we want a leader to server (one or two releases)
14:04 < quaid> 3. There are a *ton* of you who are already leaders here
and could clearly or likely lead this project; that is rather unusual,
and awe
inspiring to me.
14:05 < quaid> in fact, more current contributors are capable of leading
this team for a release than not, which is cool.
14:05 < quaid> 4. Then I can be a good Lt., help the transition, and
help with making future leadership easier, as well as future
contributing (hand-in-hand
problem)
14:05 < quaid> so, even if I haven't talked with you about being in the
smaller group of those who actively lead ...
14:06 < quaid> I will :)
14:06 < jsmith> +1 on the nomination
14:06 < quaid> and I'll encourage each of you to continue in that mode
- -- show while doing
14:06 < Sparks> +1 on term limits :)
14:06 < quaid> :D
14:06 < stickster> +1 on the nomination
14:06 * laubersm tags Sparks
14:06 < jjmcd> +1
14:06 < ke4qqq> +1 for sparks
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14:07 * stickster will be around to be a Lt. Lt. too
14:07 < quaid> I'd also especially like to ask you all to really step up
in helping make Sparks successful
14:07 < stickster> +2.
14:07 < quaid> (not that you aren't ...)
14:07 < quaid> which means e.g. more 6s fun from jjmcd and jsmith :)
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14:07 < Sparks> :)
14:07 < jjmcd> :-)
14:07 < quaid> in case it's not obvious, it's the mix of skills,
personality, and hard work ethics that makes the team work best.
14:08 < quaid> and this is truly the strongest group of docs
contributors that Fedora has yet seen, IMNSHO.
14:08 < quaid> one remaining item is the F11 release notes; I'm
concerned about overloading Sparks
14:08 < quaid> and would suggest we consider taking ryanlerch up on his
offer;
14:08 * jsmith puts away his (non-existant) campaign posters and
buckles down for a great release (and release-notes!) for F11
14:08 < quaid> he just got off a big relnotes release and is ready to go
and available, afaict
14:09 < Sparks> +1 to ryanlerch
14:09 < quaid> that would help e.g. jjmcd get more comfortable with how
the relnotes run, so he can do it for F12
14:09 < ke4qqq> +1
14:09 < jsmith> +1 to ryanlerch as well
14:09 < jsmith> +1 to jjmcd being his shadow
14:09 < jjmcd> Sounds good to me
14:09 < laubersm> +1
14:10 < quaid> nice!
14:10 * quaid loves the smell of consensus in the morning ...
14:10 < quaid> it's the smell of community!
14:10 < jsmith> quaid: (You're on a roll... no disagreement from anyone!)
14:10 < stickster> I think the Relnotes definitely need a separate
Someone. +1.
14:10 < quaid> are there any lagging leadership issues?
14:10 < jjmcd> I notice ryanlerch isn't here to defend himself
14:10 < quaid> I'll do a formal email to the list after the meeting, etc.
14:10 < quaid> jjmcd: heh
14:10 < ke4qqq> someone bring up the controversial stuff before we slip
out of consensus :)
14:10 < quaid> jjmcd: I sent him email asking him to come by
#fedora-docs this afternoon to discuss
14:10 < quaid> after I sort-of blew him off on list trying to keep the
balance.
14:11 < Sparks> Anymore discussion?
14:11 < quaid> ok, I'm done then; and would love to see everyone figure
out the CMS discussion _without_ having to explain my own thinking
again; that's
getting boring to y'all
14:12 * jjmcd is beginning to develop an opinion on that, that's dangerous
14:12 * zk-Simon is here in case of questions
14:12 < Sparks> Okay, well, thanks for the support and as my first order
of business...
14:12 -!- Sparks changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Docs Meeting -
CMS Plan
14:12 < Sparks> I'll change the topic.
14:12 < stickster> heh
14:12 < stickster> +1! The crowd goes wild!
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14:13 < Sparks> So today has been an interesting day for CMS discussions.
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14:13 < Sparks> Was anyone not around #f-docs for the conversation?
14:13 * jjmcd caught much of it, think I came in the middle, but I
figured out hwere it eas headed
14:14 < stickster> It was full of vim and vinegar
14:14 * laubersm thinks "which one?" and runs
14:14 < stickster> Especially since I know jsmith likes vim.
14:14 < jjmcd> ewwwww
14:14 < Sparks> jsmith: I'd like to get your input about the CMS
solution discussion, please.
14:14 < stickster> No one is full of Emacs and vinegar, after all.
14:14 < jsmith> stickster: Amen!
14:14 < quaid> stickster: only a pickle
14:14 < stickster> quaid: Oho! You win, good sirrah.
14:15 < jsmith> Sparks: I'm on the phone right this second, but I'm now
in general agreement with the proposals at hand.
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14:15 < Sparks> Okay, does anyone have any concerns about standing up a
CMS solution?
14:15 < ke4qqq> so at the risk of pushing ahead - I think we should go
with Zikula - they are the only planA solution
14:16 < ke4qqq> and they seem to meet the requirements technically
14:16 < Sparks> ke4qqq: I know Word Press was interviewed. I haven't
felt much energy from them, though.
14:16 < jjmcd> We got something that seems to meet the reqts and someone
willing to chop off the chicken's head, so where's the problem
14:16 < ke4qqq> and I think if we decide to press ahead that I am the
constraint
14:16 < ke4qqq> jjmcd: exactly!
14:16 < stickster> Has anyone asked the responsible parties for Legal,
PackagingGuidelines, etc. about their thoughts? Not sure that's a
requirement.
14:16 < zk-Simon> If anyone has reservations, I would like to hear them.
Either to put them straight or alternatively to make sure I put
specific focus on
their concerns as we move forward
14:16 < Sparks> stickster: Good point.
14:17 < quaid> their requirement was to not have to work *harder*
14:17 < quaid> and spot said he trusted us to not mess them up, iirc
14:17 < Sparks> How about this, let's vote on Zikula pending no major
problems from the other areas.
14:17 < quaid> zikula++
14:17 < stickster> Which I think we can guarantee. Zikula has editing
capabilities on par with MW>
14:17 < ke4qqq> yep
14:18 < ke4qqq> +1 for zikula
14:18 < laubersm> +1 for taking the next step
14:18 < Sparks> +1 for Zikula
14:18 < jjmcd> +
14:19 < stickster> +1
14:19 < zk-Simon> Ok, well that seems positive
14:19 < Sparks> That sounds like a pass to me.
14:19 < zk-Simon> Next step? What do you want from me?
14:20 < Sparks> I'll write it up this afternoon and make sure we have
the support from others.
14:20 < ke4qqq> next step is packaging iirc, and I think that is still
on my plate
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14:20 < Sparks> zk-Simon: If you don't mind being on hand today and
tomorrow for any questions from other groups.
14:20 * ke4qqq is fail for not already having it done
14:20 < zk-Simon> It just so happens we have a RPM build for Zikula as
of a couple of days ago
14:20 < Sparks> Yes, packaging is high priority
14:20 < ke4qqq> zk-Simon: Link?
14:20 < jjmcd> Ohhh, that was my only concern, would be nice to see it
packaged
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14:21 < ke4qqq> yeah for us to use it, it must live in fedora
14:21 < quaid> we should be able to start playing on the publictest
instance even without the package
14:21 < zk-Simon> Sparks: No link, I'd ahve to upload it somewhere (in
my email inbox I think)
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14:21 < Sparks> zk-Simon: Get with ke4qqq on that.
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14:21 < quaid> so for zk-Simon that means applying for sysadmin and
sysadmin-test with anyone from zikula.org who is helping
14:21 < ke4qqq> zk-Simon: SRPM and spec file please - feel free to send
it to the list or me privately
14:21 < quaid> zk-Simon: those are FAS groups
14:22 < quaid> mmcgrath can tell us if he wants to make a new
sysadmin-cms ...
14:22 < Sparks> ke4qqq: Can you help zk-Simon with getting FAS accounts
squared away?
14:22 < zk-Simon> ok. Have to hold my hand a little here since I don't
know your processess
14:22 < ke4qqq> Sparks: yep - we'll take care of it after the meeting
14:22 < Sparks> ke4qqq: Thank you
14:22 < ke4qqq> np
14:23 < Sparks> Anything else on the CMS?
14:23 < zk-Simon> I'll be around for as long as necessary tomorrow, but
I'm out for a couple of hours at least from the end of the meeting
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14:24 * stickster is happy to see such verve and vigor in the Docs
meeting again :-)
14:24 < ke4qqq> zk-Simon: ok - I am around quite a bit, just ping me
when you have some time
14:24 -!- Sparks changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Docs Meeting -
Status on Release Notes document
14:25 < Sparks> I know we are going to have to do some switching around
on this...
14:25 < Sparks> I know we need beat writers for various subjects.
14:26 < Sparks> Does anyone have any questions on this? I should be
better prepared next week.
14:26 < ke4qqq> do we have a list of what beats have no writers?
14:26 < Sparks> ke4qqq: Yes...
14:26 * Sparks goes hunting for the link
14:26 < Sparks> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Documentation_Beats
14:27 < Sparks> All 48 of them (plus or minus)
14:27 < Sparks> The page still needs some cleaning up.
14:27 < Sparks> I sent out an email to everyone that was listed from
F10. If they were continueing on then they removed the "*" from beside
their name.
14:27 < ke4qqq> so - can we delegate that out 'beat writer hunting' now?
14:28 < Sparks> But there are a lot of open spots that could use some love
14:28 < Sparks> ke4qqq: sure
14:28 < stickster> Makes sense to move on to finding new writers.
14:28 < Sparks> stickster: :1
14:28 < Sparks> +1
14:28 < Sparks> Yeah, we are WAY behind on this.
14:29 < stickster> It's not that bad, I don't think
14:29 < stickster> But it wouldn't hurt to start contacting people
responsible for packages that are central to the beat
14:29 < Sparks> We have had quite a few people sign up for slots in the
past week which is really good.
14:29 < stickster> i.e. fedora-kernel-list, or the virt list, or...
14:29 < stickster> Typically those developers do start devoting more
time post-Beta
14:29 < Sparks> stickster: Absolutely.
14:30 < stickster> But it's incumbent upon us to... keep them from
forgetting ;-)
14:30 < jjmcd> Some of the major devtools came up as new beats. Not
sure that e.g. Emacs needs its own beat, but most of those I expect to do
14:30 < stickster> jjmcd: They're coming up as new beats because they're
transcluded pages
14:31 < jjmcd> ahhh yeah, you mentioned how you like that
14:31 * stickster loathes transcludes in the relnotes beats... headaches!
14:31 < Sparks> yeah
14:31 < stickster> I think it would be sensible to provide a key for
people to know where to file their notes on "Package XYZ"
14:31 < jjmcd> Some may make sense, tho. The Haskell group seems pretty
active, actually, might be good to recruit someone there
14:31 < stickster> Then kill the transcludes
14:32 < quaid> +1 to death of transcludes
14:32 < Sparks> +1
14:32 < quaid> they aren't needed
14:32 < stickster> Every time we try to be clever, we generally
out-clever ourselves :-D
14:32 < quaid> you said it!
14:33 < danielsmw> lol
14:33 < stickster> If Ian had been around he'd have slapped sense into us
14:33 < Sparks> Well, he can now
14:33 < ke4qqq> I think he actually prefers setting people on fire :)
14:33 < quaid> with a sharp fork to the eyes first
14:33 < Sparks> jjmcd: Do you want to start beating the drum on the...
beats?
14:34 < jjmcd> Sure 'nuff
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14:34 < Sparks> jjmcd: Okay, let me know if you need anything.
Targetting the groups that aren't represented would be great.
14:34 < Sparks> jjmcd: And maybe something up on planet.
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14:34 * jjmcd gotta get hooked up there yet
14:35 < Sparks> jjmcd: I can put something up there in the mean time. :)
14:35 < jjmcd> cool
14:35 < Sparks> Anything else?
14:35 < ke4qqq> jjmcd: lets work on that after the meeting
14:36 < ke4qqq> I owe work for that to danielsmw as well
14:36 < jjmcd> roger that
14:37 -!- Sparks changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Docs Meeting -
DocsProject page changes
14:37 < Sparks> ianweller is working with G_work to get the wikibot
turned loose on the Docs Pages.
14:37 < danielsmw> ke4qqq: I'll join in after this then
14:37 < stickster> sweet
14:38 < Sparks> Apparently there are some problems with the bot so
G_work is working on that.
14:38 < Sparks> I'll let ianweller talk about it later.
14:38 -!- Sparks changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Docs Project -
John Poelstra's schedule
14:39 < Sparks> ke4qqq: What'd did you come up with from the conference
call?
14:40 < ke4qqq> so releng is going to handle alpha announcement
14:40 < ke4qqq> and keep it
14:40 < ke4qqq> 'permanently'
14:40 < ke4qqq> we are taking Beta and GA release announcements
14:40 < quaid> sweet
14:41 < Sparks> ke4qqq: That works.
14:41 < Sparks> Did everyone get a chance to look at the schedule that
John sent out?
14:41 < ke4qqq> essentially eof from me - I have more details from the
call - but none that relate to docs project.
14:42 -!- petreu [n=peter@fedora/petreu] has joined #fedora-meeting
14:42 < stickster> ke4qqq: Probably worth sending something to the
f-docs-list to memorialize
14:42 < Sparks> +1
14:42 < jjmcd> look at, yes; digest, no
14:42 < Sparks> jjmcd: Yeah
14:42 < stickster> I'll take the action item to get Poelstra to add the
appropriate actions to the docs tasks list
14:42 < Sparks> stickster: Thank you
14:42 * jsmith stumbles back from a phone conference
14:43 < laubersm> what jjmcd said
14:43 < jsmith> (Silly $dayjob... gotta get Fedora or Red Hat to hire me)
14:43 < ke4qqq> lol
14:43 < Sparks> jsmith: Yeah, me too.
14:43 < jjmcd> That whole working for a living thing really sucks,doesn't it
14:43 < Sparks> Okay, lets take the week to digest what needs to be done
and come back to it next week
14:44 < jsmith> jjmcd: I don't mind working... it's the politics that
grate on my nerves
14:44 * jjmcd remembers that, but bing a full-time bum is a much
sweeter gig
14:44 -!- Sparks changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Docs Meeting -
Go over task table
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings#Task...
14:44 * quaid done with his meeting
14:44 < quaid> that table is a bit out of date, sorry :)
14:44 < laubersm> I was noticing that :)
14:45 < Sparks> It looks like we need to garden our table!
14:45 < quaid> heh
14:46 < quaid> I can edit and make changes while we discuss the updates,
if you'd like
14:46 < quaid> (if you aren't already someone)
14:46 < jjmcd> seems like we have a bunch of projects that need to be
transcluded in that list
14:46 < quaid> items missing from there? yes
14:48 * quaid edits the page now
14:48 -!- lfoppiano [n=lfoppian@fedora/lfoppiano] has joined #fedora-meeting
14:49 < stickster> Yay table gardening :-)
14:49 < jjmcd> Looks like some things are dealt with, some need more
detail. e.g. now that we have a CMS strategy we need to lay out the steps.
14:49 < quaid> for the first item, we are waiting on page renaming, right?
14:49 < stickster> more or less, I suppose.
14:50 < quaid> how do we feel about our toolchain now?
14:50 < quaid> is that still an open task?
14:50 -!- fab__ [n=bellet(a)bellet.info] has joined #fedora-meeting
14:51 < jjmcd> I suspect it will evolve post-CMS, wonder whether we
should stress over it before
14:51 < ke4qqq> I thought our focus was to move to publican?
14:51 < quaid> s
14:51 < ke4qqq> independent of any cms
14:51 < quaid> yes
14:51 < jjmcd> I assume so
14:51 < quaid> but fedora-doc-utils still has some purpose, etc.
14:52 < quaid> how about jsmith, stickster, and I discuss next chance on
IRC to see where that is and what needs to be done?
14:52 < jjmcd> But what is the point of CMS if it doesn't help our
processes? Not sure we know exactly HOW yet
14:52 < quaid> this toolchain stuff is primarily the work that happens
just before the CMS pulls the content in.
14:52 < quaid> but it's possible there will be stuff to *add* to the
toolchain as part of the CMS work.
14:53 < jjmcd> Yes, I gather that. I suspect, tho, some things will
want to change
14:53 < jjmcd> Yeah, maybe add, maybe subtract
14:53 < quaid> ok, I marked it as ongoing
14:53 < quaid> and that the three principals for that task will talk and
decide what up
14:54 < jsmith> Sounds like a plan
14:54 < quaid> publican migration ... next chance I might work on that
during FAD at SCaLE 7x?
14:54 < quaid> there is a branch for migrating the IG
14:54 < stickster> I think the f-d-u is a pet project only at this
point, so yeah, we'll discuss that offline
14:54 < quaid> jsmith: have you looked at that?
14:54 < stickster> ("offline" == "not here, probably online")
14:54 < jsmith> quaid: Got started at FudCON, then ran into problems,
haven't picked it back up yet
14:55 < jsmith> quaid: May have some time next week, while I'm playing
'Booth Babe' at a conference in Miami
14:55 < stickster> jsmith: Apparently ryanlerch did a migration of our
release notes that he claims was fairly painles
14:55 < stickster> *painless, even
14:55 < stickster> I asked him to locate and augment our guidance for
doing that procedure on the wiki
14:55 < ke4qqq> stickster: did he document the process?
14:55 < jsmith> stickster: That's great to hear!
14:55 < stickster> ke4qqq: q.v. ^^
14:56 < quaid> ok, next item
14:56 < quaid> team per document is completed.
14:56 < quaid> right?
14:56 < ke4qqq> well at least lead
14:57 < jjmcd> For some, like RL, recruiting the team will be an ongoing
thing, and for all probably some need
14:57 < quaid> ok, lead writer id'd still working on team
14:57 < quaid> jjmcd: yep, I just put 'ongoing' as deadline :)
14:58 -!- zoglesby [n=zoglesby@fsf/member/zoglesby] has joined
#fedora-meeting
14:58 < quaid> ok I'll put the CMS status under that task
14:58 -!- CheekyBoinc [n=CheekyBo@fedora/CheekyBoinc] has quit [Remote
closed the connection]
14:59 < Sparks> 1 minute warning
14:59 < quaid> the future of fedora docs stuff is resolved; that was all
about 'get a leader who isn't stale in the head'
14:59 < quaid> the rest is fine
14:59 < stickster> The biggest issue before the group has been cleared,
that's a good meeting in my bookk.
14:59 * quaid thinks that is the task list done
14:59 < stickster> Sparks: We're here for you, and know you'll do a good
job.
14:59 < quaid> stickster: heck, we touched upon everything to boot!
14:59 < Sparks> :)
14:59 < Sparks> stickster: thanks.
15:00 < Sparks> Anyone have anything else?
15:00 < quaid> let's call it :0
15:00 < Sparks> 5
15:00 < laubersm> Thanks Sparks!!!!
15:00 < Sparks> 4
15:00 < Sparks> 3
15:00 < Sparks> 2
15:00 < Sparks> 1
15:00 < Sparks> Thanks folks!
15:00 < jjmcd> And the crowd roars
15:00 < Sparks> </meeting>
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New meeting time and day for Docs Meeting
by Eric Christensen
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Wish so many new faces that have come aboard to work with the Docs
Project I think it is a good time to re-evaluate our meeting time. I
created a matrix[1] that shows the available times and days when people
can generally meet. I'd like to give more opportunities to our AU
friends as well as to those in school.
Please take a moment to edit the matrix to show when a good time for you
would be. I encourage everyone that is interested in working with the
Docs Project to do this so we can make the decision with as much
information as possible.
[1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FDSCo_meeting_matrix
Thanks,
Eric Christensen
Fedora Docs Project
Fedora Talk: 5102043 Phone: 919-424-0063 x 5102043
E-Mail/SIP Address: sparks(a)fedoraproject.org
IRC: Sparks on freenode.net
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