Docs Meeting 2009-10-29 Summary
by Eric Christensen
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#fedora-meeting: Docs Project Meeting - Agenda:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings
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Meeting started by Sparks at 00:00:59 UTC. The full logs are available
at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-10-29/fedora-meeting...
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Meeting summary
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* Roll Call (Sparks, 00:01:02)
* Release Announcement (Sparks, 00:05:24)
* Release Notes (Sparks, 00:09:00)
* Status on CMS (Zikula) (Sparks, 00:19:21)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zikula#Module_status (Sparks,
00:19:29)
* Status on CC license rollout. (Sparks, 00:24:19)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/License_changeover_schedule
(Sparks, 00:24:28)
* Outstanding BZ Tickets (Sparks, 00:31:43)
* Guide needs? (Sparks, 00:34:32)
* New Guides (Sparks, 00:40:28)
* All other business (Sparks, 00:44:06)
* LINK:
http://arstechnica.com/open-source/reviews/2009/10/ars-takes-a-first-look...
(marwalk, 00:46:33)
Meeting ended at 00:50:44 UTC.
Action Items
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Action Items, by person
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* **UNASSIGNED**
* (none)
People Present (lines said)
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* Sparks (86)
* jjmcd (36)
* rudi (11)
* marwalk (4)
* zodbot (3)
* quaid (2)
* danielsmw (1)
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Docs Meeting 2009-10-29 IRC log
by Eric Christensen
00:00:59 <Sparks> #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings
00:00:59 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Oct 29 00:00:59 2009 UTC. The
chair is Sparks. Information about MeetBot at
http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
00:00:59 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea
#link #topic.
00:00:59 <quaid> oi
00:01:02 <Sparks> #topic Roll Call
00:01:04 * Sparks
00:01:15 * rudi is here
00:01:18 * Sparks wonders if zodbot was asleep
00:01:22 * marwalk .
00:01:24 * jjmcd is here
00:02:47 * danielsmw is making ramen but will be back in 2:15
00:03:00 <Sparks> #chair jjmcd
00:03:00 <zodbot> Current chairs: Sparks jjmcd
00:03:24 * jjmcd wonders whether that is like alternate NCS
00:03:42 <Sparks> jjmcd: Yes
00:03:50 <Sparks> jjmcd: I know what happened last week.
00:04:02 <jjmcd> Bah ... I guess I'll have to pay attention
00:04:22 <Sparks> quaid: nice of you to join us tonight!
00:05:19 <Sparks> Okay, on with the show!
00:05:24 <Sparks> #topic Release Announcement
00:05:54 <Sparks> Last week we decided that the Release Announcement
needed to be complete no later than 10 Nov.
00:06:11 <Sparks> I think there is already work being done on it.
00:06:30 <Sparks> Would anyone like to step up and take on this project?
00:07:20 <Sparks> This would be a quick project that would be good for
a new or experienced member.
00:07:35 * jjmcd will be putting together the rpm around that time
00:08:00 <Sparks> jjmcd: You're excused this time
00:08:44 <Sparks> Well, I'll put out another plea later.
00:09:00 <Sparks> #topic Release Notes
00:09:02 <jjmcd> Isn't this one supposed to be mostly marketing?
00:09:08 <jjmcd> OK, RNs
00:09:13 <Sparks> jjmcd: How are things going?
00:09:32 <jjmcd> Thanks to rudi, the GA POs went to L10N behind the
original schedule but ahead of the current schedule
00:10:03 <jjmcd> Also, I marked all the beats so folks don't sneak
things in there
00:10:25 <jjmcd> There were more changes than I would have liked, but
it shouldn't be too bad for L10N
00:11:05 <jjmcd> We had 4 or 5 bugs around mems size so I put in some
weasel words that nobody will like
00:11:05 <Sparks> Cool
00:11:21 <rudi> Around 10% change
00:11:23 <Sparks> Are we still on track for being on time?
00:11:36 <jjmcd> yep, just waiting for L10N now
00:12:12 <Sparks> Cool
00:12:21 <Sparks> Did you get ownership/co-ownership of the RPM?
00:12:45 <jjmcd> Nope, still waiting on reviews of maiden rpm
00:12:59 <jjmcd> I'll email adam who volunteered to help off channel
00:13:15 <Sparks> Hmmm... I don't like that you are waiting on the
review of the rpm
00:13:26 <Sparks> Do you have the attention of someone that is going
to review it?
00:13:32 <jjmcd> Not THE rpm, and rpm to get to be a packager
00:13:49 <Sparks> Ahhh
00:13:52 <Sparks> Okay
00:14:14 <jjmcd> There are a handful of folks who have provided input,
but idle a week so I'll ask Adam what to do next
00:14:21 <quaid> +1 weasel words
00:14:48 <jjmcd> Colin Powell always said you gotta piss somebody off sometimes
00:15:33 <Sparks> I follow that rule way too often
00:15:35 <jjmcd> rudi helped a bunch on some stuff i had forgotten how to do
00:15:58 <jjmcd> that's a plus and a minus, plus I didn't spend a lot
of time on it, minus i wasn't forced to remember how to do it
00:16:11 <rudi> jjmcd -- you mean the git stuff?
00:16:23 <jjmcd> No, the re-merging the po
00:16:45 <rudi> Ah yeah. Hopefully noone will need to remember that soon :P
00:16:50 <jjmcd> Well, I owulda screwed up the branch, too
00:17:19 <rudi> Someone once called that stuff "stupid knowledge" --
the knowledge of workarounds and kludges :)
00:17:33 <jjmcd> good assessment
00:17:48 <rudi> But the upside is that I think we're getting better at
working with L10N
00:17:59 <jjmcd> Yeah, I think so
00:18:01 <rudi> And in the F12-F13 lull, I'd like to document that
00:18:07 <jjmcd> We still have some work to do tho
00:18:10 <rudi> Indeed
00:18:37 <Sparks> Okay, so do you need anything for the RNs?
00:18:55 <jjmcd> no, i think we're good for now
00:19:12 <Sparks> Okay. Moving on
00:19:21 <Sparks> #topic Status on CMS (Zikula)
00:19:29 <Sparks> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zikula#Module_status
00:19:57 * Sparks just remembers he needs to update his package on the wiki
00:20:28 <Sparks> Okay, that's done.
00:20:58 <Sparks> My accessory packages, polls and advanced polls,
have been pushed to stable so all that should be ready to go
00:21:32 <Sparks> Does anyone have any updates?
00:22:57 <Sparks> We'll need to jump on this project as soon as F12 is
out the door. I'd like to have this up and running by the end of the
year for docs.fp.o.
00:23:21 <Sparks> Of course that is an arbitrary date but one that
will give us something to work toward.
00:23:27 <Sparks> Anyone have anything?
00:24:06 <Sparks> Okay, moving on
00:24:19 <Sparks> #topic Status on CC license rollout.
00:24:28 <Sparks> #link
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/License_changeover_schedule
00:25:10 <Sparks> I completed #7 earlier today based on a conversation
I had with rudi last week and my regeneration of the SG over the
weekend.
00:25:52 <jjmcd> So now we just review against our checklist?
00:26:02 <Sparks> I'm having problems regenerating the non-English
versions of the SG, however, so I'll need some help with that but I
think everything is squared away.
00:26:13 <Sparks> checklist?
00:26:25 <jjmcd> Well, step 8
00:26:31 <Sparks> jjmcd: yes
00:26:44 <Sparks> quaid: Did you get step 6 completed?
00:28:12 <Sparks> I spoke with ianweller earlier and he said: the
status of the license change is that it's half done in the staging
branch and that i can't get to it today but i can maybe get to it
tomorrow
00:28:35 <Sparks> So that should knock out step 5
00:29:11 <Sparks> Okay, maybe quaid will be back with us later
00:30:22 <Sparks> Anything else?
00:31:39 <Sparks> Okay, moving on
00:31:43 <Sparks> #topic Outstanding BZ Tickets
00:32:11 <jjmcd> I think I got all the F12 RN tickets this week
00:32:46 <Sparks> I haven't checked them today but if everyone will go
through the tickets and make sure everything is assigned and if you
have any tickets assigned please make sure the notes are up to date
00:32:51 <Sparks> jjmcd: +1
00:33:22 <jjmcd> The note I put on each beat asks folks to submit a
ticket for zero day changes
00:33:38 <Sparks> cool
00:33:50 <Sparks> Okay, anything else?
00:34:32 <Sparks> #topic Guide needs?
00:34:44 <Sparks> Anyone have any guides that need anything?
00:35:04 <jjmcd> Looks like we might get some help on the ARG, we'll see
00:35:08 <rudi> Not a need -- but a heads-up that the new F12
Deployment Guide is now on d.fp.o and Transifex...
00:35:20 <jjmcd> goodness
00:35:21 <Sparks> jjmcd: ARG?
00:35:23 <Sparks> Oh
00:35:32 <jjmcd> :-)
00:35:39 <Sparks> rudi: Awesome
00:35:57 <Sparks> jjmcd: I'm having git issues tonight... :(
00:36:17 <jjmcd> Well it ain't near as frustrating as CVS
00:36:21 <rudi> That's perspectival's awesomeness to thank
00:36:42 <Sparks> jjmcd: CVS and SVN worked... I can't get anything OUT of git
00:36:56 <Sparks> perspectival++
00:37:19 <jjmcd> Well see, less work that way
00:37:37 <Sparks> ya
00:38:24 <Sparks> I haven't looked at the accessibility guide
lately... that needs to be touched at some point
00:39:42 <Sparks> Anything else?
00:40:28 <Sparks> #topic New Guides
00:40:33 <Sparks> Any new guides?
00:40:40 <rudi> Ah -- I see I jumped the gun. Sorry!
00:41:02 <Sparks> rudi: No worries
00:41:03 <jjmcd> Is stickster writing the "Guide to bars in Toronto"?
00:41:16 <Sparks> jjmcd: Is that a new guide? Publican or wiki?
00:41:43 <jjmcd> Well, Paul being an XML sort of guy, I assumed...
00:42:25 <Sparks> Well, we should encourage that to be put in the repo
00:42:57 <jjmcd> He did great in Berlin, but he may have had help from Jeroen
00:43:34 <Sparks> :)
00:43:42 <Sparks> Okay, any OTHER new guides?
00:44:06 <Sparks> #topic All other business
00:44:19 <Sparks> Okay, does anyone have anything they'd like to discuss?
00:45:23 <marwalk> did you see the F12 beta writeup in Ars Technica?
00:45:25 <Sparks> anything? anything at all?
00:46:13 <Sparks> marwalk: I didn't.
00:46:19 <Sparks> marwalk: url?
00:46:33 <marwalk>
http://arstechnica.com/open-source/reviews/2009/10/ars-takes-a-first-look...
00:47:16 <Sparks> F11 had rough edges?
00:47:26 <Sparks> Not as rough as F7, IMO. :)
00:48:41 <Sparks> marwalk: Thanks for the link!
00:48:58 <marwalk> indeed :-)
00:49:07 <Sparks> anyone else?
00:50:32 <Sparks> Okay, well I'm closing it down!
00:50:40 <Sparks> Thanks everyone for coming tonight.
00:50:44 <Sparks> #endmeeting
14 years, 6 months
Upcoming schedule
by John Poelstra
Start End Name
Mon 26-Oct Wed 28-Oct Port diff wiki content publican
Wed 28-Oct Wed 28-Oct Remind Translation POTs coming GA release notes
Mon 02-Nov Mon 02-Nov Generate GA Release Notes POT files for Translation
Tue 03-Nov Mon 09-Nov Build GA release note htmls for Translation
Tue 03-Nov Mon 09-Nov Review and correct GA Release Notes (daily
builds html)
Thu 05-Nov Thu 12-Nov Daily builds of guides for Translation
Mon 09-Nov Mon 09-Nov F12 Blocker Review (go/no go) 3 PM EDT
Mon 09-Nov Tue 10-Nov Build fedora-release-notes.rpm
Wed 11-Nov Wed 11-Nov F12 Project Wide Release Readiness Meeting
Wed 11-Nov Fri 13-Nov Create GA Announcement
14 years, 6 months
Updating the Security Guide on docs.fp.o
by Eric Christensen
I haven't had the opportunity to update anything on docs.fp.o since
the code change. What do I need to do to update the SG? I have HTML
and HTML-single in hand.
--Eric
14 years, 6 months
RPM content - valuable? still interested?
by Karsten Wade
Hi:
A few months ago we had a discussion on this list around RPM content.
IIRC, some folks from rpm.org were asking if Fedora Docs folks wanted
to work on updating 'Maximum RPM'. We also have the 'RPM Guide' in
our collection, waiting for updating.
Does it make sense to look at merging these two works in to one, new,
canonical RPM guide?
http://www.rpm.org/max-rpm/
http://docs.fedoraproject.org/drafts/rpm-guide-en/
Figuring it made sense to at least be _able_ to merge them, I have
been working on getting the approvals to have both works relicensed to
the CC BY SA 3.0 Unported.
People who want to work on RPM content -- is this relicensing work
still valuable to you?
I've made some progress:
* 'Maximum RPM' relicensing requests are all completed and replied to.
* We have tentative or real approval from all major copyright holders.
With still more to go:
* There is some work to do with the 'Max RPM' source to remove some
work that will not be relicensed.
* I still need to contact the author of the 'RPM Guide'.
cheers - Karsten
--
Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Community Gardener
http://quaid.fedorapeople.org
AD0E0C41
14 years, 6 months
Docs Meeting 2009-10-22 Summary
by Eric Christensen
===================================================================================================
#fedora-meeting: Docs Project Meeting - Agenda:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings
===================================================================================================
Meeting started by Sparks at 00:00:15 UTC. The full logs are available
at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-10-22/fedora-meeting...
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Meeting summary
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* Roll Call (Sparks, 00:00:21)
* Beta Release Announcement (Sparks, 00:06:26)
* adamw and mether kudos for work on the Beta release announcement
(stickster, 00:07:14)
* ACTION: GA Announcement to be ready by November 10 (Sparks,
00:11:12)
* f-r-n.rpm (Sparks, 00:13:54)
* Status on CMS (Zikula) (Sparks, 00:19:18)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zikula#Module_status (Sparks,
00:19:34)
* Status on CC license rollout. (Sparks, 00:28:39)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/License_changeover_schedule
(Sparks, 00:28:48)
* ACTION: Sparks to follow up with ianweller to check on wiki license
update status (Sparks, 00:33:52)
* ACTION: Sparks to follow up with quaid to check on courtesy note to
previous contributors (Sparks, 00:34:29)
* Shared open-source style guide (Sparks, 00:38:56)
* LINK:
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2009-June/msg00163.html
(Sparks, 00:39:04)
* Outstanding BZ Tickets (Sparks, 00:49:15)
* LINK: http://tinyurl.com/ylg2xqm (Sparks, 00:50:03)
* Other business (Sparks, 01:00:27)
Meeting ended at 01:01:50 UTC.
Action Items
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* GA Announcement to be ready by November 10
* Sparks to follow up with ianweller to check on wiki license update
status
* Sparks to follow up with quaid to check on courtesy note to previous
contributors
Action Items, by person
-----------------------
* Sparks
* Sparks to follow up with ianweller to check on wiki license update
status
* Sparks to follow up with quaid to check on courtesy note to previous
contributors
* **UNASSIGNED**
* GA Announcement to be ready by November 10
People Present (lines said)
---------------------------
* Sparks (87)
* stickster (38)
* jjmcd (27)
* rudi (22)
* danielsmw (9)
* nb (7)
* adamw (4)
* buggbot (4)
* zodbot (4)
* radsy (1)
* Sparks_ (1)
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Docs Meeting 2009-10-22 IRC Log
by Eric Christensen
00:00:15 <Sparks> #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings
00:00:15 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Oct 22 00:00:15 2009 UTC. The
chair is Sparks. Information about MeetBot at
http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
00:00:15 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea
#link #topic.
00:00:21 <Sparks> #topic Roll Call
00:00:23 * Sparks
00:00:58 * stickster auditing
00:01:30 <Sparks> stickster: auditing?
00:01:41 <stickster> you know, like a college course for no credit
00:02:09 <Sparks> stickster: ha
00:04:47 * Sparks thinks this is going to be a short meeting
00:05:41 * jjmcd is here, you want me to make some trouble?
00:05:52 <stickster> Now you're talking ;-)
00:06:00 <Sparks> Yikes
00:06:05 <Sparks> Okay, let's get started
00:06:19 * jjmcd is in a pretty good mood today, tho, just picked up
my new roller skate
00:06:26 <Sparks> #topic Beta Release Announcement
00:06:49 <Sparks> So this got done. Should we start working on the GA
Release Announcement?
00:06:51 <stickster> adamw and mether did a great job pulling the bulk
of that text together
00:07:00 <Sparks> +1
00:07:02 <stickster> I just wanted to make sure they got a big pat on the back
00:07:02 <jjmcd> yeah they did
00:07:14 <stickster> #info adamw and mether kudos for work on the Beta
release announcement
00:07:26 <Sparks> stickster: Thanks
00:07:27 <adamw> thanks
00:07:42 <jjmcd> Of course every time they got it right that stickster
guy would go in and mess it up
00:07:42 <adamw> i'll try and find time to poke at the final release
announcement text, but things are kinda hectic around here atm :)
00:07:52 <adamw> who is that 'frields' clown anyway?
00:07:54 <stickster> jjmcd: That's why I have a manager job
00:07:58 <stickster> PHB on the loose
00:08:02 <jjmcd> LOL
00:08:10 * Sparks goes to lock out managers from the wiki
00:08:34 <stickster> I wanted to point out that adamw and I had a very
good side conversation about tying the announcement more closely to
the press releases that Red Hat does around our test and final
releases.
00:08:56 <jjmcd> I saw some noise on the list around a UK press release
00:09:16 <stickster> I'll pull that stuff together into a proposal for
what we can do with the GA shortly. It won't be a huge game changer
from the POV of actually getting the announcement done, although we
will want to complete it by about a week or so prior to the release.
00:09:37 <adamw> right, i think we more or less agreed on some fairly
small changes that should address the issues
00:10:07 <Sparks> stickster: What day should we have the final
announcement ready?
00:10:12 <stickster> From the perspective of the Docs team, it's still
really about creating a good GA announcement.
00:10:29 <stickster> I would say you want it available by November 10.
00:10:31 * danielsmw sneaks in
00:10:53 * Sparks notes danielsmw was tardy and will volunteer him for
something later
00:11:10 * danielsmw raises an eyebrow
00:11:12 <Sparks> #action GA Announcement to be ready by November 10
00:11:14 <stickster> That's a week ahead of the release, which means
plenty of time for Red Hat to tweak it for a press release.
00:11:40 <stickster> We might end up fine-tuning that date a bit, but
I feel like that's a good place to start.
00:11:48 <stickster> More will be on the list shortly.
00:12:53 <Sparks> stickster: I just asked for volunteers on the list.
Maybe you can respond to that message with additional info?
00:13:06 <stickster> Sparks: sure thing
00:13:14 <Sparks> Okay, anything else?
00:13:17 * stickster will try to get that out by tomorrow.
00:13:33 <stickster> FAD travelers start arriving in town tomorrow
evening so I'll be tied up through Sunday.
00:13:54 <Sparks> #topic f-r-n.rpm
00:14:14 <Sparks> jjmcd: How are the FRN doing?
00:14:32 <jjmcd> We need to get updated pots to L10N shortly
00:14:41 <jjmcd> Otherwise, latest drafts on docs.fp.o
00:14:58 <Sparks> jjmcd: Okay. Did you become an owner of the RPM so
you can update it yourself?
00:15:07 <jjmcd> Not yet, working on that
00:15:16 <jjmcd> Got some help on a reviewe request
00:15:21 <jjmcd> but not complete yet
00:15:44 <jjmcd> 529387
00:15:48 <Sparks> jjmcd: Okay. If you need help with getting the
package in the CVS, built, and in bodhi just let me know
00:15:58 <Sparks> .bug 529387
00:15:59 <buggbot> Bug
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=529387 medium,
medium, ---, nobody, NEW, Review Request: rcrpanel - Create a front
panel for an electronics device
00:16:00 <zodbot> Sparks: Bug 529387 Review Request: rcrpanel - Create
a front panel for an electronics device -
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=529387
00:16:02 <buggbot> Bug 529387: medium, medium, ---, nobody, NEW,
Review Request: rcrpanel - Create a front panel for an electronics
device
00:16:24 <jjmcd> Got advice from several people but not approved yet
00:16:47 <Sparks> Ya... looks like my first package. HI HI
00:17:05 <jjmcd> Gotta do what we gotta do
00:17:09 <Sparks> jjmcd: Are the RNs on schedule, still? Do you see
any problems with getting all the work done?
00:17:17 <jjmcd> Really, no
00:17:26 <jjmcd> I think I will have more updates than I would like
00:17:31 <jjmcd> but not a terrible lot
00:18:04 <Sparks> Ok
00:18:06 <jjmcd> This business of doing it at a higher level really
eases the burden on everyone
00:18:14 <jjmcd> Not just L10N
00:18:19 <Sparks> Need anything?
00:18:32 <jjmcd> Not right now, will in a couple weeks
00:18:38 <jjmcd> When I need to push the rpm
00:18:56 <Sparks> Okay, anything else on the RNs?
00:19:04 <jjmcd> not from here
00:19:13 <Sparks> Okay, moving on.
00:19:18 <Sparks> #topic Status on CMS (Zikula)
00:19:34 <Sparks> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zikula#Module_status
00:19:50 <Sparks> Any updated on Zikula?
00:21:25 <Sparks> Well, both Polls and Advanced Polls were approved.
Advanced Polls got into the CVS and have been pushed to stable.
00:21:43 <Sparks> I'm still waiting for Polls to get room in CVS and
then I'll push those to Bodhi too.
00:22:22 <Sparks> I got a notice that crpTag and MultiHook packages
were being deleted from the F-12 branch for some reason so I need to
investigate that further.
00:22:55 <danielsmw> I'm still waiting on approval for Xinha.
00:23:55 <Sparks> danielsmw: See if nb can help you with that. He did
both of my packages in record time.
00:24:07 <nb> ?
00:24:09 <danielsmw> I think ke4qqq is working on it.
00:24:15 <nb> reviews needed?
00:24:47 <danielsmw> nb: not yet, but I might let you know depending
on whether or not ke4qqq can find the time
00:24:47 <Sparks> nb: danielsmw has a package that he's been working
on. Not sure if ke4qqq has had time to review.
00:24:50 <danielsmw> I know he's busy
00:24:55 <nb> oh
00:25:04 <nb> danielsmw, whats the url?
00:25:06 <nb> or bug #?
00:25:17 <danielsmw> 528003
00:25:23 <nb> .bug 528003
00:25:24 <buggbot> Bug
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=528003 medium,
low, ---, david, ASSIGNED, Review Request: Xinha - Javascript library
for making textarea's WYSIWYG
00:25:25 <zodbot> nb: Bug 528003 Review Request: Xinha - Javascript
library for making textarea's WYSIWYG -
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=528003
00:25:27 <buggbot> Bug 528003: medium, low, ---, david, ASSIGNED,
Review Request: Xinha - Javascript library for making textarea's
WYSIWYG
00:26:30 <Sparks> Okay, I'll let you two work on this post meeting.
00:26:33 <nb> ok
00:26:51 <Sparks> Anything else on Zikula? Will we be ready to deploy
after F12?
00:26:58 * stickster pretty sure that ke4qqq is still digging himself
out at $DAYJOB and blocking on him may not move things forward as fast
as desired.
00:27:07 <stickster> sorry, catching up to buffer
00:27:44 <stickster> Cool, looks like nb is on it
00:27:48 <stickster> <eof/>
00:28:00 <Sparks> stickster: no problem
00:28:13 <Sparks> Okay, anything else?
00:28:39 <Sparks> #topic Status on CC license rollout.
00:28:48 <Sparks> #link
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/License_changeover_schedule
00:29:17 <Sparks> Okay, I haven't heard anything back from guide
owners about updating their guides.
00:29:34 <rudi> f11 and f12 guides all updated and re-uploaded
00:29:44 <Sparks> rudi: All of them?
00:29:47 <rudi> Yes.
00:29:52 <rudi> Well, almost
00:29:52 <Sparks> rudi: You did this?
00:29:55 <rudi> Yes.
00:30:04 <Sparks> rudi: Don't you have a job? :)
00:30:08 <Sparks> rudi++
00:30:27 <rudi> I only left out about a zillion incomplete
translations of the F11 Release Notes
00:30:35 * Sparks needs to figure out what to do with
fedora-security-guide...rpm
00:30:47 <jjmcd> Yeah, you go rudi. Also saw various repairs
00:30:57 * danielsmw has done much less than he'd hoped on the UG at this point
00:30:59 <rudi> Ah yes, and I didn't touch the security guide or SELinux guid
00:31:22 <rudi> danielsmw -- since we missed the L10N deadline on the
UG, I think we have to be thinking in terms of F13
00:31:27 <Sparks> rudi: What the heck? :) I need to get up with
radsy on the SG
00:31:35 <danielsmw> rudi: that works
00:33:52 <Sparks> #action Sparks to follow up with ianweller to check
on wiki license update status
00:34:29 <Sparks> #action Sparks to follow up with quaid to check on
courtesy note to previous contributors
00:34:56 <Sparks> Should we make our license change coorespond to the
F12 release?
00:35:28 <rudi> Sparks -- might be better not to
00:35:39 <rudi> Otherwise the announcement might get lost in the rest
of the fanfare
00:35:51 <rudi> This way, you get two lots of publicity :)
00:35:55 <Sparks> true
00:36:21 <Sparks> So before or after?
00:37:49 <Sparks> Well... I'd like to be ready to go by next week...
if that's possible. I think most of the hard work has been completed.
00:38:00 <rudi> I think the sooner the better
00:38:08 <Sparks> +1
00:38:27 <Sparks> Okay, anything else on this topic?
00:38:56 <Sparks> #topic Shared open-source style guide
00:39:04 <Sparks> #link
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2009-June/msg00163.html
00:39:08 <Sparks> Any update on this?
00:39:31 <rudi> Nothing this week
00:39:51 <Sparks> Okay. Do we need to keep this on the agenda each week?
00:40:11 <rudi> Maybe not till we get some traction on it
00:40:27 <rudi> I'll make sure that anything that happens gets
mentioned at the soonest meeting
00:40:28 <Sparks> Ya. Okay, just remind me when the wheels grab the ground.
00:40:33 <Sparks> cool
00:40:34 <rudi> Yeppa
00:40:40 <stickster> Sparks: rudi: Is there something a new person
could do to help move that item?
00:41:05 <rudi> Not unless they're internal to Red Hat :)
00:41:30 <stickster> Wait, wasn't that a cross-distro external project
that came up at WOSCon?
00:41:32 <Sparks> I think rudi was working on getting the RH guide
released... I don't know if Fedora's guide is even compiled well
enough to release
00:41:43 <rudi> Sparks -- that's correct
00:41:47 <stickster> Oh, oh, I see -- rudi's talking about the
specific task of getting that guide out
00:41:59 <Sparks> yes
00:42:01 <stickster> I'm talking more broadly about engaging with the
folks who are working on this externally
00:42:08 <stickster> In other communities.
00:42:28 <stickster> If our answer is "at some point Red Hat will get
this done," they do have the ability to simply move on without us.
00:42:28 <jjmcd> yeah, I'm not even sure we have someone on point for this
00:42:38 <Sparks> Well, we've been real slack on this for a while. I
think ke4qqq was going to champion it but then life happened.
00:42:55 <jjmcd> ahhh, yes. RL can be such a pain
00:43:02 <rudi> I don't think we're a blocker for them, but will check upstream.
00:43:05 <stickster> Sure, I'm not expecting any of the few people
here in this meeting to suddenly say, "I want to do it! Me!" :-)
00:43:17 <stickster> rudi: Yeah, that's my point.
00:43:20 <Sparks> I heard stickster say he wanted to do it.
00:43:35 <stickster> Sparks: Funny, but that's not my point
00:44:02 <Sparks> I think we need to get our style guide put together
before we can offer it to anyone else.
00:44:04 <stickster> My point is, can we identify something that a new
Docs contributor can do to engage with these other upstreams in the
absence of some Red Hat material which we don't know will emerge or
when?
00:44:10 <stickster> Sparks: We have some of it on our wiki.
00:44:18 <stickster> Has anyone offered that?
00:44:28 <stickster> If not, would that be a task that a new Docs
person could work on?
00:44:35 <rudi> Absolutely
00:44:38 <Sparks> I think it could/would be
00:44:52 <rudi> AIUI, things are at a very embryonic stage
00:45:03 <rudi> I don't think even a format for the project has been decided yet
00:45:25 <Sparks> rudi: I haven't heard anything from the original
requestors lately
00:47:19 <Sparks> Okay, anything else?
00:47:30 <stickster> So, as with other groups in Fedora, it's a good
idea to figure out what we could interest lurkers or new volunteers in
doing
00:47:51 <stickster> esp. with things that haven't taken off like we'd
hoped... sometimes those are the best things to involve a new
enthusiast
00:47:56 <stickster> <eof/>
00:48:35 <Sparks> stickster: Good poing
00:48:39 <Sparks> s/poing/point
00:49:08 <Sparks> Okay, moving on
00:49:15 <Sparks> #topic Outstanding BZ Tickets
00:50:03 <Sparks> #link http://tinyurl.com/ylg2xqm
00:50:29 <Sparks> We have accumulated a bunch of tickets that have not
been accepted. Many of them I think are being looked at.
00:51:13 <Sparks> When you get a ticket please go ahead and assign it
to yourself so the person that sent the ticket will know that someone
is actually looking at it and that the ticket isn't just sitting
there.
00:51:44 <Sparks> I know it's a bad feeling, to me, to take the time
to file a ticket and then have it just sit there seemingly not getting
any attention.
00:52:10 <rudi> Many thanks to ke4qqq for jumping in and grabbing some
IG tickets
00:53:02 <Sparks> Any comments before we move on?
00:59:26 <Sparks_> Okay... not sure what happened there.
01:00:13 <Sparks> TAP TAP TAP, is this thing still on?
01:00:27 <Sparks> #topic Other business
01:00:28 <radsy> yes
01:00:29 <jjmcd> nope
01:00:37 <Sparks> Okay, anything else?
01:01:25 <Sparks> Okay, thanks everyone for coming tonight.
01:01:33 <jjmcd> take care
01:01:46 <Sparks> I'll have the meeting minutes and next week's agenda
posted later tonight.
01:01:50 <Sparks> #endmeeting
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