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[Bug 495175] New: RFE: Octave (Request for Enhancement)
by Red Hat Bugzilla 14 Apr '09

14 Apr '09

Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. Summary: RFE: Octave (Request for Enhancement) https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=495175 Summary: RFE: Octave (Request for Enhancement) Product: Fedora Hosted Projects Version: unspecified Platform: All OS/Version: Linux Status: NEW Severity: low Priority: low Component: Deployment_Guide AssignedTo: mhideo(a)redhat.com ReportedBy: johndoe32102002(a)gmail.com QAContact: rlerch(a)redhat.com CC: fedora-docs-list(a)redhat.com Classification: Fedora A new release of Octave emerged on April 7, 2009. Octave is a popular substitute for Matlab. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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User Guide Tasks
by Matthew Daniels 13 Apr '09

13 Apr '09

Hi all, As per Eric's request on IRC, I've put together a task list for the F11 UG. [1] The goal is to get something of a working guide by Tuesday, which means lots of work this weekend. I know some of you have already volunteered to work on it, which I apprecaite. Please note that I'm going to be somewhat distant until May, as I'm coming up on Final Exam season. If you have any questions about the User Guide and I'm not answering on email/IRC, Kirk should be able to help you out. I'll try to at least make it to FDSCo meetings. -Matthew [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Danielsmw/User_Guide_F11_tasks

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Re: F11 release notes ready for translation
by Ruediger Landmann 13 Apr '09

13 Apr '09

Given the discussion about the length and complexity of the Release Notes, I thought people might be interested in some statistics. I downloaded the individual branches for Fedora 7 through to Fedora 11 and ran the German po files through Publican successively (since the German translation appears to be practically complete in each version). The results show a general growth in the number of strings from each release to the next; however, the number of strings requiring translation in Fedora 11 is actually smaller than the number of strings requiring translation in Fedora 10 (and the Release Notes for Fedora 11 contain 10% fewer strings overall than the Fedora 10 Release Notes) Of course, this says nothing about the complexity of the material. Fedora 8: Total strings: 620 Strings unchanged from Fedora 7: 377 Fuzzy translations: 94 Untranslated strings: 149 Strings needing attention from translators: 243 Fedora 9: Total strings: 812 Strings unchanged from Fedora 8: 329 Fuzzy translations: 194 Untranslated strings: 289 Strings needing attention from translators: 483 Fedora 10: Total strings: 1080 Strings unchanged from Fedora 9: 141 Fuzzy translations: 409 Untranslated strings: 530 Strings needing attention from translators: 939 Fedora 11: Total strings: 963 Strings unchanged from Fedora 10: 89 Fuzzy translations: 186 Untranslated strings: 688 Strings needing attention from translators: 874 If anyone would like to see the results of the string matching, just send me an email. Also, if anyone would like to see the same analysis in a language other than German, I'm happy to do this for you as well. Cheers Ruediger PS: If anyone knows of a tool or method to gauge the comparative complexity of the texts, I'd be very interested to learn about it.

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Re: F11 release notes ready for translation
by Piotr Drąg 11 Apr '09

11 Apr '09

Paul W. Frields pisze: > Just bumping this message up so translators can see it -- I've seen a > number of commits coming in from Transifex, but not as many as usual. > One reason could be that release notes are more difficult to translate from release to release. Now it's less "what's new and what's really important", and more "describe *every* new or updated package, even if it's used only by small group of people". So we have more and more strings, using words almost impossible to understand by regular translators (what the hell is "flattening the netlist" or "drill handling" and why the typical user should care?). And there are much more of that kind, even more cryptic to us. Do we *really* need this? Is the big AmateurRadio section read by anyone else then radio amateurs? With all the respect, I don't think they are significant part of our community. Smaller release notes containing only information for majority of users would be easier to translate and understand (also for native English users!), resulting in wider audience. It would be also easier to collaborate and maintain release notes. Just my 2 cents, -- Piotr Drąg http://raven.pmail.pl

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thanks and bye for now
by Murray McAllister 11 Apr '09

11 Apr '09

Hello, I recently changed roles at my day job, which now takes up a little more time than before...I will not be around much or doing much for Fedora docs, so I thought I would let you all know (in case anyone noticed ;-) ). Thanks for all your help over the past year and a bit. It was great to meet you all! Cheers, Murray.

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F11 release notes spec
by John J. McDonough 11 Apr '09

11 Apr '09

This is really about questions for Paul, but there were a few surprises for me so I thought I would post this to the list just to share the knowledge. In F10, we built the release notes from the xml, then copied the xml and resulting html into the RPM. There were also a handful of associated documents which sort of caught me by surprise. My plan in F11 Preview is to pretty much follow the .spec file for F10, with the exception that for the release notes proper I will do the Publican part of the build inside the srpm. Given the timeline I don't think we are quite ready to face the whole subpackage thing, although I'm not writing that off for GA. Some outstanding questions, mostly around gnome-help: - What is up with the .omf files? Are they simply prepared manually and included? What do they do? With my test document I can read the doc fine with yelp and no omf files, in each of my 3 test languages - What on earth is scrollkeeper and what does it do and why do we care? - In gnome-help there are a handful of topics, one of which is release notes. How did that get there? Hardcoded? - You created symlinks for some images to avoid duplication. We have a similar Publican issue, worth a little over 100K per language. Should we do the same for F11? - The whole copying business in the old .spec I found particularly hard to follow. Although I kept the basic steps, I hacked up the appearance quite a bit to make it more readable (to me). Here is a little snippet of the relevant parts. Do you see any issues with this approach? (This is a test document to make it run through Publican quicker) # Loop through the languages # for LANG in tmp/* ; do # # First, the html in /usr/share/doc/HTML # # Place where html files are SRCBASE=tmp/${LANG#tmp/}/html-desktop # Target for release notes html NOTETARG=$RPM_BUILD_ROOT%{_defaultdocdir}/HTML/%{name}/${LANG#tmp/} mkdir -p ${NOTETARG} install -m 644 ${SRCBASE}/index.html ${NOTETARG}/%{name}-${LANG#tmp/}.html mkdir -p ${NOTETARG}/Common_Content mkdir -p ${NOTETARG}/Common_Content/css mkdir -p ${NOTETARG}/Common_Content/images mkdir -p ${NOTETARG}/images install -m 644 ${SRCBASE}/Common_Content/css/* ${NOTETARG}/Common_Content/css install -m 644 ${SRCBASE}/Common_Content/images/* ${NOTETARG}/Common_Content/images install -m 644 ${SRCBASE}/images/* ${NOTETARG}/images # # Now the gnome_help files # # Place where xml files are SRCBASE=tmp/${LANG#tmp/}/xml # gnome-help target for xml files HELPTARG=$RPM_BUILD_ROOT%{_datadir}/gnome/help/%{name}/${LANG#tmp/} mkdir -p ${HELPTARG} mkdir -p ${HELPTARG}/Common_Content mkdir -p ${HELPTARG}/images install -m 644 ${SRCBASE}/images/* ${HELPTARG}/images for F in ${SRCBASE}/Common_Content/*.xml ; do install -m 644 ${F} ${HELPTARG}/Common_Content done mkdir -p ${HELPTARG}/Common_Content/css install -m 644 ${SRCBASE}/Common_Content/css/* ${HELPTARG}/Common_Content/css mkdir -p ${HELPTARG}/Common_Content/images install -m 644 ${SRCBASE}/Common_Content/images/* ${HELPTARG}/Common_Content/images for F in ${SRCBASE}/*.xml ; do install -m 644 ${F} ${HELPTARG}/ done done --McD

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[Bug 495267] New: SELinux blocks failtoban
by Red Hat Bugzilla 10 Apr '09

10 Apr '09

Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. Summary: SELinux blocks failtoban https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=495267 Summary: SELinux blocks failtoban Product: Fedora Hosted Projects Version: unspecified Platform: i686 OS/Version: Linux Status: NEW Severity: medium Priority: low Component: Security_Guide AssignedTo: mhideo(a)redhat.com ReportedBy: somedamfool(a)yahoo.com QAContact: mmcallis(a)redhat.com CC: fedora-docs-list(a)redhat.com Classification: Fedora Description of problem: SELinux interfering with failtoban Version-Release number of selected component (if applicable): How reproducible:With failtoban enabled SELinux generates an error every 5-10 seconds. I had over 9600 errors in about 24 hours. Summary: SELinux is preventing gam_server (fail2ban_t) "read" to ./rpm (rpm_var_lib_t). Detailed Description: SELinux denied access requested by gam_server. It is not expected that this access is required by gam_server and this access may signal an intrusion attempt. It is also possible that the specific version or configuration of the application is causing it to require additional access. Allowing Access: Sometimes labeling problems can cause SELinux denials. You could try to restore the default system file context for ./rpm, restorecon -v './rpm' If this does not work, there is currently no automatic way to allow this access. Instead, you can generate a local policy module to allow this access - see FAQ (http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/selinux-faq-fc5/#id2961385) Or you can disable SELinux protection altogether. Disabling SELinux protection is not recommended. Please file a bug report (http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/enter_bug.cgi) against this package. Additional Information: Source Context system_u:system_r:fail2ban_t:s0 Target Context system_u:object_r:rpm_var_lib_t:s0 Target Objects ./rpm [ dir ] Source gam_server Source Path /usr/libexec/gam_server Port <Unknown> Host localhost.localdomain Source RPM Packages gamin-0.1.9-6.fc10 Target RPM Packages Policy RPM selinux-policy-3.5.13-54.fc10 Selinux Enabled True Policy Type targeted MLS Enabled True Enforcing Mode Enforcing Plugin Name catchall_file Host Name localhost.localdomain Platform Linux localhost.localdomain 2.6.27.21-170.2.56.fc10.i686 #1 SMP Mon Mar 23 23:37:54 EDT 2009 i686 athlon Alert Count 23 First Seen Thu 09 Apr 2009 08:50:08 PM EDT Last Seen Thu 09 Apr 2009 08:51:36 PM EDT Local ID 75ebce71-d082-46a6-8ee8-5850f5344683 Line Numbers Raw Audit Messages node=localhost.localdomain type=AVC msg=audit(1239324696.103:6737): avc: denied { read } for pid=2329 comm="gam_server" name="rpm" dev=dm-0 ino=2654211 scontext=system_u:system_r:fail2ban_t:s0 tcontext=system_u:object_r:rpm_var_lib_t:s0 tclass=dir node=localhost.localdomain type=SYSCALL msg=audit(1239324696.103:6737): arch=40000003 syscall=292 success=no exit=-13 a0=3 a1=8d81340 a2=1002fc6 a3=acb140 items=0 ppid=1 pid=2329 auid=4294967295 uid=0 gid=0 euid=0 suid=0 fsuid=0 egid=0 sgid=0 fsgid=0 tty=(none) ses=4294967295 comm="gam_server" exe="/usr/libexec/gam_server" subj=system_u:system_r:fail2ban_t:s0 key=(null) Steps to Reproduce: 1.Run failtoban 2.Run SELinux 3. Actual results: I tried the suggested restorecon -v './rpm' with these results: restorecon: stat error on ./rpm: No such file or directory Expected results: Additional info: -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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A new policy for deleting wiki pages on the Fedora wiki.
by Eric Christensen 09 Apr '09

09 Apr '09

Earlier today, Max brought up a good point about being able to remove pages from the wiki. We discussed it and came up with the following plan. If you want something removed from the wiki, 1. Add the {{delete|reason}} template to the page, at the top. Please insert the reason for your deletion so the wiki team will have no problem understanding why the page needs to evaporate. 2. Move the page to the Archive: namespace. Select the move tab at the top of the page, and simply rename the page to include the prefix "Archive:". * EXAMPLE: My_ugly_old_page => Archive:My_ugly_old_page * EXAMPLE: User:Jpublic/Some_page =>Archive:User:Jpublic/Some_page Pages moved in this way are removed by the wiki team after a two-week cooling-off period. Additional information on the new deletion policy can be found at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraProject:Deletion. Thanks, Eric Fedora Docs Project GPG Fingerprint: CA02 4ACA EB6C 1A76 F0D6 1127 7D04 D240 BD0C 14C1

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FDSCo Meeting 2009-04-09 IRC log
by Eric Christensen 09 Apr '09

09 Apr '09

Apr 08 20:00:06 <Sparks> <meeting id="Docs Project"> Apr 08 20:00:06 * Sparks has changed the topic to: Welcome to the Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings#Agenda_for_Next_Meeting Apr 08 20:00:07 <Sparks> Roll Call! Apr 08 20:00:07 * Sparks is here Apr 08 20:00:12 * ke4qqq is here Apr 08 20:00:18 * joat is here too Apr 08 20:00:18 * radsy is here Apr 08 20:00:23 <Sparks> joat: Yikes... Apr 08 20:00:33 <joat> huh?! where? Apr 08 20:00:36 * rudi is here Apr 08 20:00:38 * ianweller is here Apr 08 20:00:43 * dychen_ (n=dingyich(a)d122-105-171-109.rdl15.qld.optusnet.com.au) has joined #fedora-meeting Apr 08 20:00:44 <ke4qqq> joat: #fedora-mething is where we go when we need more hours as we draw near to release Apr 08 20:00:48 * laubersm is here Apr 08 20:01:10 * Sparks gives everyone a few more seconds to come in and have a seat. Apr 08 20:01:17 <Tsagadai> is here Apr 08 20:01:19 <ianweller> oh, there's chairs? Apr 08 20:01:20 * ianweller sits Apr 08 20:01:30 * jjmcd is here, just not paying attention Apr 08 20:01:32 <joat> ke4qqq: that's the channel for the tired mis-typing types? Apr 08 20:01:57 <ke4qqq> at least for the tired :) Apr 08 20:02:19 * che_ has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) Apr 08 20:02:23 <Sparks> First off I'd like to say thanks for everyone coming today. It's always great having everyone here. Apr 08 20:02:23 <Sparks> I'd also like to apologize for not being around here recently. The Navy is trying to send me somewhere so I've been trying to get that worked out in addition to handling "regular" $DAYJOB activities which has become more of a hassle here recently. Apr 08 20:02:23 <Sparks> That being said. If you need to get up with me hit me up on IRC. I try to be around as much as I can be and at the end of the day when I have so many e-mail messages pending I usually skim over them which means I probably miss a lot. Apr 08 20:03:30 <radsy> email is over-rated anyway Apr 08 20:03:31 <Sparks> Okay, on with the agenda Apr 08 20:03:37 <Sparks> radsy: I agree! :) Apr 08 20:03:38 * Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - Sponsoring new members Apr 08 20:03:47 <Sparks> Just wanted to throw this out. Last week I made some changes to the Docs "group" in FAS. We have a ton of users in there and I moved some of the sponsors around to make sure that we have our more "senior" members in as sponsors. It's not a dig if you aren't a sponsor as I was simply grabbing a few people to get things rolling. I'll be ironing these "roles" out better in the near future. Apr 08 20:04:15 <Sparks> What I want to do is make sure that everyone that is unapproved in the docs group goes through the formal process of becoming a member. That means joining the listserv, providing an introduction, etc. I also want to make sure that those new members get a brief introduction to what we do and how we do it. If you sponsor someone I want you to take them under your wing and help them along. Apr 08 20:04:15 <Sparks> Questions or comments? Apr 08 20:04:41 * ianweller will have no time to sponsor people :) Apr 08 20:04:50 <Sparks> ianweller: Bah! Apr 08 20:04:55 <jjmcd> So you want the gray hairs to do the mentoring - you said "senior" Apr 08 20:05:01 <joat> Like the idea... have joined a couple orgs in the past that had orientation involving a "walk through" Apr 08 20:05:09 * ianweller won't have gray hair for a while. i'm set! Apr 08 20:05:16 <Sparks> jjmcd: Don't you have enough for the rest of us? Apr 08 20:05:26 <joat> even a simple howto would be better than nothing Apr 08 20:05:28 <jjmcd> probably do Apr 08 20:05:29 * biertie has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) Apr 08 20:05:45 <joat> ianweller: that can be fixed Apr 08 20:06:02 <jjmcd> One more release ought to do it Apr 08 20:06:05 <Sparks> joat: Yes, and I apologize for not helping you out! I'll make a better attempt starting tonight. Apr 08 20:07:05 <Sparks> Just beware... If you do a good job you are probably going to be selected in the near future! Apr 08 20:07:20 <laubersm> no frying pans here - just straight into the fire Apr 08 20:07:25 <Sparks> :) Apr 08 20:07:33 <joat> i've been volunteered before... :) Apr 08 20:07:35 <Sparks> Okay, anything else on this one? Apr 08 20:07:48 <ke4qqq> Sparks: it'd be nice to have a roadmap Apr 08 20:07:56 <ke4qqq> to show to the people being mentored Apr 08 20:08:03 <Sparks> ke4qqq: +1 Apr 08 20:08:03 <ke4qqq> ie, what we are expected to show Apr 08 20:08:12 * biertie (n=bert(a)91.180.131.70) has joined #fedora-meeting Apr 08 20:08:23 <ke4qqq> so that someone doesn't get the raw end of the deal because it fell to me to mentor them :) Apr 08 20:08:32 <Sparks> ke4qqq: Yeah, it's going to depend on what they are going to work on but yes, we need a "general road map". Apr 08 20:08:41 <laubersm> or at least the wiki pages updated - now that they are renamed and have categories Apr 08 20:09:03 <laubersm> it is still a mash of info without the map Apr 08 20:09:06 * ke4qqq wonders if we can task quaid to do that since he isn't here. Apr 08 20:09:19 <Sparks> ke4qqq: Again, another great idea Apr 08 20:09:27 * Sparks notes that stickster isn't here either Apr 08 20:09:39 <quaid> good luck Apr 08 20:09:49 <quaid> I have irc alert, even though this in-person discussion is more fun :) Apr 08 20:10:06 <laubersm> quaid, pointed out what to archive and what to keep - so he must have a plan for revising what is left :) Apr 08 20:10:09 * ke4qqq will remember to say q-u-a-i-d next time. Apr 08 20:10:18 * ianweller will remember to say diauq Apr 08 20:10:29 <ke4qqq> ianweller: I am sure he has that on alert Apr 08 20:11:17 <quaid> Sparks: I think those in the 'docs' queue are driveby; they requested when they made their FAS account and didn't follow-up Apr 08 20:11:30 <Sparks> Yes, I agree Apr 08 20:11:40 <jjmcd> They are all pretty recent, tho Apr 08 20:11:52 <ianweller> how long should we wait until we consider a request "stale" and remove it if they haven't done the follow-up? Apr 08 20:11:55 <quaid> we can send them something about the proper join process, then delete them; or just purge and point them at the join. Apr 08 20:12:03 <quaid> ianweller: I have that tagged for highlight, too Apr 08 20:12:13 <ianweller> seriously? lol Apr 08 20:12:16 <quaid> ianweller: less than a week Apr 08 20:12:22 <quaid> since the join process Apr 08 20:12:28 <quaid> specifies the group as -after- the self-intro Apr 08 20:12:38 <quaid> so, send a reminder, then wait a week, then purge; IMHO Apr 08 20:12:44 <jjmcd> Good plan Apr 08 20:13:19 * ryanlerch (n=rlerch@nat/redhat/x-c8220ac66d82f571) has joined #fedora-meeting Apr 08 20:13:26 <ianweller> ryanlerch!!!!! Apr 08 20:13:28 <jjmcd> Morning ryanlerch Apr 08 20:13:31 * mdomsch has quit ("Leaving") Apr 08 20:13:35 <ryanlerch> morning Apr 08 20:13:48 * joat still needs to submit a self-intro (yikes!) Apr 08 20:13:51 * quaid drops networks to run back to the hotel Apr 08 20:13:57 <quaid> bbiafew Apr 08 20:14:18 * jjmcd is disappointed stickster is gone missing, was hoping to hit him up for some mentoring, actually Apr 08 20:14:22 <Sparks> Okay, we need to move along or else we'll be consuming the next two meeting spots. Apr 08 20:14:31 <jjmcd> we can be greedy Apr 08 20:14:52 <Sparks> jjmcd: We have been... But I have to go to bed at a decent hour tonight. Apr 08 20:15:02 <ianweller> haha. "decent hour." Apr 08 20:15:04 <jjmcd> sleep is overrated Apr 08 20:15:05 * ianweller shuts up ;) Apr 08 20:15:06 <Sparks> jjmcd: Plus MythBusters Special comes on in 45 min! Apr 08 20:15:16 <ke4qqq> heh Apr 08 20:15:23 * Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - Review docs schedule and tasks. Apr 08 20:15:34 <Sparks> Okay, stickster wanted us to talk about this. Apr 08 20:15:47 <Sparks> Does anyone know when documents are due for translation? Apr 08 20:15:54 <ke4qqq> 4/14 Apr 08 20:16:03 <rudi> 14/4 :) Apr 08 20:16:04 <jjmcd> I believe that's right Apr 08 20:16:14 <ke4qqq> 14 April Apr 08 20:16:16 <ke4qqq> :) Apr 08 20:16:28 <Sparks> Very good class Apr 08 20:16:29 <Sparks> :) Apr 08 20:16:36 <jjmcd> meanwhile, I'm trying to satisfy myself we know what to do with them once we got them Apr 08 20:16:47 <Sparks> So that is NEXT TUESDAY!!!!! Apr 08 20:16:52 <jjmcd> yepper Apr 08 20:16:52 <ianweller> !!!!!! Apr 08 20:17:05 <Sparks> Does that strike fear in anyone's mind? Apr 08 20:17:18 <jjmcd> and I believe RPMs Thursday Apr 08 20:17:30 * jjmcd packaged a publican document today and Apr 08 20:17:34 <ke4qqq> just for RN Apr 08 20:17:46 <jjmcd> when I logged in, it came up in German, no matter what language I logged in as Apr 08 20:18:02 <Sparks> jjmcd: Well that's a problem! Apr 08 20:18:04 <jjmcd> so still some learning to do Apr 08 20:18:16 <jjmcd> Yeah, since I don't speak German Apr 08 20:18:21 <Sparks> jjmcd: You know, unless you are in Germany... Apr 08 20:18:30 <Sparks> You don't have to be able to speak it to read it Apr 08 20:18:45 <jjmcd> I dunno, Dutch is that way, but not German Apr 08 20:18:51 <Sparks> :) Apr 08 20:19:03 <Sparks> So anyone have any concerns? Apr 08 20:19:25 <jjmcd> I was hoping to get stickster to walk me through the old .spec file Apr 08 20:19:37 <Sparks> Yeah, that would have been helpful. Apr 08 20:19:46 <ke4qqq> ? Apr 08 20:19:52 >fedbot< help Apr 08 20:19:55 <jjmcd> I figure once I understand that I'll sort what to do with publican Apr 08 20:20:00 <ke4qqq> so do we have the plan wrt to multiple files or single file or??? Apr 08 20:20:08 <ke4qqq> for srpm ^^ Apr 08 20:20:20 <jjmcd> I'm assuming a single ... multiples would make it easy for us Apr 08 20:20:45 <laubersm> So what is the status of each of the docs - content wise (packaging aside)? ANd which one are they? UG IG and ??? Apr 08 20:20:54 <Sparks> jjmcd: ke4qqq That's pushing us into the next topic... Apr 08 20:21:02 <ke4qqq> ok sorry Apr 08 20:21:09 <jjmcd> We have a bunch of others we are ignoring tho Apr 08 20:21:10 * tatica (n=tatica@nelug/designer/tatica) has joined #fedora-meeting Apr 08 20:21:13 <Sparks> You guys are just pushing right along! Apr 08 20:21:18 <Sparks> So let's move along. Apr 08 20:21:18 * Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - Status on Release Notes <-- ryanlerch & jjmcd Apr 08 20:21:22 <jjmcd> There's a handful of other stuff packaged with the RNs Apr 08 20:21:36 <jjmcd> I have no clue how we get them translated (and updated) Apr 08 20:21:58 <Sparks> laubersm: And I'm going to get though all the guides tonight, too. Apr 08 20:22:15 <jjmcd> Or even where they came from, they show up in the old RPM, things like burning a CD and junk Apr 08 20:22:21 * KageSenshi (n=kagesens@fedora/KageSenshi) has joined #fedora-meeting Apr 08 20:22:39 <jjmcd> I thouglt Paul intended to enlighten us tonight Apr 08 20:22:45 <Sparks> Me too Apr 08 20:23:00 <Sparks> Something must have come up as he's usually marked away... Apr 08 20:23:12 * tatica has quit (Remote closed the connection) Apr 08 20:23:30 <jjmcd> Well, he was installing rawhide, and they say it eats babies, does he have any babies at home? Apr 08 20:24:53 * Sparks gives him a call on Talk Apr 08 20:25:32 <Sparks> jjmcd: Okay, stickster will be up here shortly Apr 08 20:25:36 <jjmcd> We have about-fedora, homepage, README, README-BURNING_ISOS and readme-live-image in the rpm Apr 08 20:25:55 <Sparks> jjmcd: He had Dad duty and was "yum install xchat" when I rang him Apr 08 20:25:55 <jjmcd> No idea where they came from Apr 08 20:26:03 <jjmcd> LOL Apr 08 20:27:11 <Sparks> Okay, while we wait for stickster, let's do a quick roll through all the guides to see where people are. Apr 08 20:27:14 * stickster has quit (Excess Flood) Apr 08 20:27:17 <jjmcd> All those are small, but I am sure they need to be reviewed as a minimum Apr 08 20:27:22 <Sparks> Then we'll come back to RN. Apr 08 20:27:33 * Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - Status on Installation Guide <-- ke4qqq Apr 08 20:27:35 <Sparks> ke4qqq: go Apr 08 20:27:42 <ke4qqq> so we are pretty good Apr 08 20:27:48 <ke4qqq> even wrt translations Apr 08 20:28:03 <ke4qqq> we have a few things we are tweaking based on feedback from QA Apr 08 20:28:07 <ke4qqq> but not much Apr 08 20:28:12 <ke4qqq> we could use some wordsmithin Apr 08 20:28:14 <ke4qqq> g Apr 08 20:28:23 <ke4qqq> and some sanity checks Apr 08 20:28:32 <ke4qqq> but aside from that I am very happy with where we are. Apr 08 20:28:36 * stickster (n=nthereas(a)ip72-205-14-2.dc.dc.cox.net) has joined #fedora-meeting Apr 08 20:28:40 <rudi> What he said. Apr 08 20:28:54 <jjmcd> a diller a dollar Apr 08 20:29:14 <ke4qqq> and for the record - rudi has done most of the work on IG Apr 08 20:29:21 * ajamison5579 has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) Apr 08 20:29:29 <jjmcd> yay rudi Apr 08 20:29:29 <Sparks> And some how I never get his name in my agenda!!! Apr 08 20:29:34 <Sparks> rudi: Thanks!!! Apr 08 20:29:44 <Sparks> Anything else? Apr 08 20:30:04 <ke4qqq> nothing from me, other than I'd welcome some wordsmiths and sanity check people. Apr 08 20:30:13 <laubersm> ke4qqq, wordsmithing? latest pointer to the doc for the record? I might have some time this week... due when? Apr 08 20:30:25 <rudi> I'll just say that I think we should keep the wordsmithing to a minimum in this release Apr 08 20:30:57 <stickster> I think I'm live again now Apr 08 20:31:02 <rudi> We've had a substantial increase in content, and some L10N teams are going to have a very heavy load as it is... Apr 08 20:31:09 <Sparks> I'm guessing all the text has been vetted at this point. Apr 08 20:31:21 <ke4qqq> laubersm: I think rlandmann has it in html on his fedorapeople page - mine is a few days old, but I'll build it again tonight (rudi does the html and I do pdf builds) Apr 08 20:31:23 <Sparks> stickster: Welcome back Apr 08 20:31:29 <ke4qqq> Sparks: hmmmmm sorta Apr 08 20:31:42 <rudi> Sparks - well, I pointed it out to the anaconda guys last week and got a couple of tips Apr 08 20:31:50 <ke4qqq> Sparks: if by vetted you mean it was accurate at one point in time or another for one release of RHEL or Fedora Apr 08 20:32:00 <rudi> and there's been some discussion on fedora-test-list and a couple of bugs filed Apr 08 20:32:02 <Sparks> :) Apr 08 20:32:20 <rudi> ke4qqq - LOL :) Apr 08 20:32:40 <ke4qqq> but generally yes, there hasn't been much change - and those that are required have either been longstanding bugs or some slight change in behavior specific to F11 Apr 08 20:33:33 <Sparks> Okay. Apr 08 20:33:43 <Sparks> Let's move on real quick so we can get back to the RN and stickster Apr 08 20:33:46 <rudi> laubersm - http://rlandmann.fedorapeople.org/Installation%20Guide/ Apr 08 20:33:54 <laubersm> rudi, thanks Apr 08 20:33:58 <Sparks> Okay, so I'm a bit embarassed to say that I haven't had a chance to do anything on this package. I'm going to try to look at it this week and see what I can do about getting the package approved. Apr 08 20:33:58 * Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - Status on Security Guide <-- sparks Apr 08 20:34:40 <radsy> cool, is that 14/4 date still the deadline? Apr 08 20:34:40 <Sparks> radsy and a large contingent from Brisbane have done a bang up job getting everything integrated. Apr 08 20:34:50 <Sparks> radsy: I think so... Apr 08 20:35:21 <jjmcd> Create Draft POT files for All Guides Tue 2009-04-14 Wed 2009-04-15 Apr 08 20:35:25 <Sparks> radsy: I think jjmcd knows how to get the translation files put together properly so I'll see if he has some time to help me with that. Apr 08 20:35:53 <jjmcd> Except they don't work! (unless you like all German) Apr 08 20:35:56 <radsy> ok great, thanks Apr 08 20:36:08 <Sparks> jjmcd: Ummm.... Apr 08 20:36:17 <Sparks> jjmcd: Let's chat after the meeting. Apr 08 20:36:29 <jjmcd> That's OK, over the next couple of days Paul will teach me how to fix it Apr 08 20:36:45 <Sparks> radsy: Are you going to be around after the meeting? Maybe you and mhideo and I can chat real quick? Apr 08 20:37:06 <radsy> he's not in his office Apr 08 20:37:21 <Sparks> radsy: Boo... Okay, well, you and I can talk! Apr 08 20:37:27 <radsy> ok Apr 08 20:37:36 <Sparks> radsy: Don't go anywhere just yet... Apr 08 20:37:36 * Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - Status on SELinux Guide Apr 08 20:37:46 <Sparks> radsy: I think you own the SELinux guide now? Apr 08 20:37:48 <rudi> Sparks - talking about translations generally, or specifically about translations in rpms? Apr 08 20:37:58 <kirkz> kirkz sneaks in Apr 08 20:38:10 <radsy> the user guide isn't changing as far as I'm aware - still working on the confined-services guide Apr 08 20:38:23 <Sparks> radsy: Okay, is it ready for publication? Apr 08 20:38:28 <radsy> http://sradvan.fedorapeople.org/SELinux_Managing_Confined_Services/en-US/ht… if you want a look Apr 08 20:38:32 <radsy> no Apr 08 20:38:41 <Sparks> rudi: We need to figure out how to get the translations working properly. Apr 08 20:38:44 <radsy> my timeline to finish editing is 25/5 Apr 08 20:39:09 * danielsmw (n=olpc(a)130-127-20-7.mauldin.resnet.clemson.edu) has joined #fedora-meeting Apr 08 20:39:11 <Sparks> radsy: Okay. Good deal. If I can ever get my head above water I can probably help you if need be Apr 08 20:39:49 * Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - Status on User Guide <--danielsmw Apr 08 20:39:57 <Sparks> danielsmw: And look who joined up just in time. Apr 08 20:40:01 <radsy> sounds good! plodding along with it, selinux a bit of a black hole Apr 08 20:40:02 <danielsmw> Ah, I can't sneak in quietly Apr 08 20:40:20 <danielsmw> UG Status: Apr 08 20:40:21 <rudi> Sparks - working properly in rpms or the translation process more generally (ie, the joining and splitting of Publican's multiple .po files) Apr 08 20:40:30 <Sparks> danielsmw: Not with that awful orange Clemson dns name Apr 08 20:40:54 * ke4qqq notes that we need to tell him about cloaks Apr 08 20:41:03 <danielsmw> Not much has changed. There was a brief list discussion about splitting off the F11 source on the wiki Apr 08 20:41:04 <jjmcd> rudi: The joining and splitting isnt tooooo opaque Apr 08 20:41:30 <danielsmw> We would do this so we can simultaneously clean and XMLify F10 Apr 08 20:41:35 <danielsmw> while also working on F11 Apr 08 20:41:55 <danielsmw> The goal is to have at least an accurate wiki guide by F11 release Apr 08 20:42:07 <ke4qqq> danielsmw: any chance of pulling off F11 by 14 April?? if you have additional people? Apr 08 20:42:09 * ryanlerch has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) Apr 08 20:42:22 <danielsmw> But with exams coming up, i have't had much time to do stuff. Apr 08 20:42:26 <danielsmw> Um... 14? Apr 08 20:42:29 >danielsmw< https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FreenodeCloaks Apr 08 20:42:35 <danielsmw> 6 days? Apr 08 20:42:43 <danielsmw> Eh....I suppose. Apr 08 20:43:00 <danielsmw> I mean, with enough people, we could at least finish it onthe wiki Apr 08 20:43:13 <danielsmw> I'm still listening to disucssions about mw-render Apr 08 20:43:26 <danielsmw> So not sure if XML would be doable bythen. Apr 08 20:43:28 <rudi> jjmcd - I'm feeling a certain amount of anxiety about it :/ I can see that the joining part is trivial :) Apr 08 20:43:37 <danielsmw> ke4qqq: Why do you ask? Apr 08 20:43:52 <ke4qqq> danielsmw: http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-11/f-11-docs-tasks.html Apr 08 20:44:21 * ianweller goes to eat Apr 08 20:44:22 <ke4qqq> so if we can leverage some people - ie laubersm I'd rather danielsmw get help with UG than me with IG Apr 08 20:44:29 <danielsmw> ke4qqq: ill look in a bit, im on the XO. Apr 08 20:45:09 <danielsmw> to be honest, i dont have a lot of time for work until May Apr 08 20:45:17 <danielsmw> But I can manage and direct Apr 08 20:45:20 <stickster> rudi: splitting shouldn't be bad either. Unused strings will pile up but we can use 'msgattrib --no-obsolete' to clean them out. Apr 08 20:45:20 <laubersm> ke4qqq, danielsmw I can help where ever for a few days Apr 08 20:45:23 * RodrigoPadula has quit ("Saindo") Apr 08 20:45:23 <danielsmw> And do a little bit of work. Apr 08 20:45:26 <ke4qqq> so Sparks - let me pose this question - I think I know the answer as we did so last release for the IG - but what happens if we slip some days. Apr 08 20:45:35 <ke4qqq> on one of the guys hitting l10n Apr 08 20:45:36 <Sparks> danielsmw: Can you put together a list of what needs to be done? Apr 08 20:45:40 <ke4qqq> s/guys/guide/ Apr 08 20:45:48 <danielsmw> Sparks: yes. I could have that by Friday. Apr 08 20:45:49 * laubersm was really trying to get the links into the log for others that might be lurking in need of ideas of how to help Apr 08 20:45:52 <Sparks> ke4qqq: Well... Apr 08 20:46:12 <jjmcd> good catch, laubersm Apr 08 20:46:13 <Sparks> ke4qqq: I feel that translations might be soft anyway. It might take a day... or three months... Apr 08 20:46:14 <laubersm> I can probably also help with cleaning XML Apr 08 20:46:38 <Sparks> laubersm: yeah, I should put those in the topics. Apr 08 20:46:48 * kirk_ (n=Kirk(a)71-219-105-23.slkc.qwest.net) has joined #fedora-meeting Apr 08 20:46:49 <Sparks> ke4qqq: I know they have a to be done date... Apr 08 20:46:57 <danielsmw> Oh, something else Apr 08 20:47:01 <danielsmw> About the UG Apr 08 20:47:12 <Sparks> ke4qqq: but I'm guessing they could get it done if we turn it in late. Apr 08 20:47:29 <ke4qqq> Sparks: the done date is 14 May or 15 may Apr 08 20:47:37 <Sparks> ke4qqq: Or the guide gets released a little late Apr 08 20:47:38 <joat> i can be available for simple grunt work (you need to show me what to do) Apr 08 20:47:42 <danielsmw> Since I've been trying to do some more devel work and I have more work in school, I've offered to kirk_ to take up the lead by F12. Apr 08 20:47:55 <ke4qqq> danielsmw: cool Apr 08 20:48:14 <danielsmw> kirk_: are you still up for that? Apr 08 20:48:25 <kirk_> Sure Apr 08 20:48:29 <danielsmw> Cool Apr 08 20:48:32 <laubersm> cool Apr 08 20:48:40 <ke4qqq> danielsmw: can you point joat in the direction of sections that need work, kirk_ can you work with joat on using the wiki and getting stuff done Apr 08 20:48:51 * zcat has quit () Apr 08 20:48:54 <kirk_> Yup Apr 08 20:49:06 <Sparks> Okay, anything else on the UG? Apr 08 20:49:11 <ke4qqq> Sparks: mind if I delegate some of that mentoring for you :) Apr 08 20:49:12 <rudi> stickster - thanks; I'll take a look at that. Apr 08 20:49:13 <danielsmw> Nope, not from me Apr 08 20:49:16 * zcat (n=zcat@fedora/zcat) has joined #fedora-meeting Apr 08 20:49:18 <Sparks> ke4qqq: Go for it! :) Apr 08 20:49:30 * kirkz has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) Apr 08 20:49:54 <Sparks> ke4qqq: Just realize that people notice that kind of thing and start eying you as my replacement. Apr 08 20:50:07 <Sparks> Okay... Moving back to the RN so stickster can preach! Apr 08 20:50:09 <ke4qqq> danielsmw: status with publican transifex Apr 08 20:50:11 <ke4qqq> ? Apr 08 20:50:26 <stickster> Sparks: OK, what are the pending questions at this point? Apr 08 20:50:27 * Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - Status on Release Notes Apr 08 20:50:41 <Sparks> stickster: I think jjmcd had some questions. Apr 08 20:50:48 <danielsmw> ke4qqq: my part is just involved right now with some status/statistic reports Apr 08 20:51:02 <danielsmw> I've pretty much digested all the code Apr 08 20:51:15 <jjmcd> Well, I think the main thing is understanding f-r-n.spec. Perhaps we can schedule a walkthrough in the next day or two Apr 08 20:51:19 <danielsmw> And I'm working now on a first example Apr 08 20:51:27 <ke4qqq> danielsmw: outstanding! Apr 08 20:51:34 <danielsmw> Is there a date i should be looking at Apr 08 20:51:35 <danielsmw> ? Apr 08 20:51:50 <ke4qqq> danielsmw: glezos can answer that better than I Apr 08 20:52:10 <danielsmw> okay Apr 08 20:52:36 <stickster> jjmcd: I can probably do something tomorrow afternoon -- Friday gets hairy, because it's a company holiday and I've got a bunch of honeydews to get completed before we leave on vacation Apr 08 20:53:02 <ke4qqq> so another process type question - who is packaging RN? Apr 08 20:53:09 <stickster> jjmcd: Basically the biggest part of the spec is just putting pieces in place on the file system Apr 08 20:53:13 <jjmcd> /me sees no reason why tomorrow PM wouldn't be good Apr 08 20:53:26 <stickster> jjmcd: There's not much to it, just some "for/do/done" loops and a bunch of "/usr/bin/install" commands Apr 08 20:53:40 <jjmcd> Yeah, I see a lot of that Apr 08 20:53:42 <stickster> long != complex Apr 08 20:53:50 * stickster goes to take a look Apr 08 20:53:54 <jjmcd> But I don't understand how the languages get selected Apr 08 20:54:13 <stickster> jjmcd: The languages are all part of the tarballs IIRC Apr 08 20:54:59 <stickster> jjmcd: For instance, this line: Apr 08 20:55:00 <jjmcd> Also, we have those other docs, I suspect we need to review and re-translate Apr 08 20:55:06 <stickster> L=`echo ${F} | %{__sed} 's/Release_Notes-$.*$\.html/\1/'` Apr 08 20:55:29 <stickster> That's just snipping out the 'en-US' for example in Release_Notes-en-US.html Apr 08 20:55:34 * zcat has quit () Apr 08 20:55:38 <jjmcd> ahhhhh Apr 08 20:55:53 * jjmcd didnt pull out his sed book to decode that Apr 08 20:55:56 * zcat (n=zcat@fedora/zcat) has joined #fedora-meeting Apr 08 20:56:14 <ke4qqq> who is packaging the RN? Apr 08 20:56:16 <stickster> These other documents all have git repos too Apr 08 20:56:24 <stickster> ke4qqq: This is the question of the hour, thank you for asking Apr 08 20:56:40 <jjmcd> Oh, cool - so we just reviews, update as needed, make pots Apr 08 20:56:43 * stickster will be on vacation, which was one of the reasons he wanted to make sure this was discussed :-) Apr 08 20:57:14 <jjmcd> ke4qqq: I am assuming I am going to get stuck with it. Since I am not a packager, I want to have done it before next week Apr 08 20:57:17 <Sparks> stickster: We'll just need a phone number you can be reached at Apr 08 20:57:46 <stickster> Sparks: Ha, you must think I'm pretty gullible Apr 08 20:58:01 <Sparks> stickster: I think the word I'm looking for is... responsive Apr 08 20:58:03 <ke4qqq> jjmcd: so that worries me wrt to sponsorship - I don't think docs has any packaging sponsors. Soo....can we get you sponsored on another package quickly? Apr 08 20:58:30 <stickster> ke4qqq: Actually, f13 should be able to help I think. Apr 08 20:58:40 <jjmcd> Funny thing: I just made a simple RPM I was thinking of submitting for F12 Apr 08 20:58:47 <ke4qqq> ahhh cool Apr 08 20:58:51 <ke4qqq> jjmcd: def do so Apr 08 20:59:15 <stickster> ke4qqq: jjmcd: If someone prepares the SRPM, you can publish it on your fedorapeople.org site, and just coordinate with f13 to pull it down and import it to CVS. Apr 08 20:59:29 <jjmcd> OK, good Apr 08 20:59:47 * ke4qqq would rather grow the packager count in docs anyway Apr 08 20:59:54 <stickster> ke4qqq: I fully agree Apr 08 20:59:56 <jjmcd> As I said, I made an RPM of a test doc, but when I installed it, all the languages came out German Apr 08 21:00:10 <Sparks> ke4qqq: I'm trying! Apr 08 21:00:10 <stickster> jjmcd: What I will try to do tomorrow is revise that set of instructions that's in the f10 branch of the release notes, and put the fresh copy in the devel branch. Apr 08 21:00:25 <jjmcd> OK, cool Apr 08 21:01:51 <jjmcd> So tomorrow AM I'll read, then tomorrow PM we'll talk Apr 08 21:01:59 <ke4qqq> Sparks: I wasn't picking on you Apr 08 21:02:17 <Sparks> ke4qqq: I know... But I am trying. I think quaid said he was going to try as well. Apr 08 21:02:33 <Sparks> ke4qqq: Let's all become packagers! Apr 08 21:02:45 <stickster> jjmcd: Anytime after 11am or so should work for me, it looks Apr 08 21:02:46 <ke4qqq> it'd be nice Apr 08 21:02:56 <jjmcd> stickster, good deal Apr 08 21:03:02 <stickster> jjmcd: Do you want to set a time now so others can attend? Apr 08 21:03:09 <stickster> We'll just do it here anyway, so logging works Apr 08 21:03:10 <jjmcd> Yes, lets Apr 08 21:03:28 <jjmcd> Good thinking - 1PM OK? Apr 08 21:03:33 <stickster> disco Apr 08 21:03:52 * jjmcd quick puts an alarm on his Trea Apr 08 21:05:05 <Sparks> Anything else on the RN? Apr 08 21:05:39 * Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - Open Discussion Apr 08 21:05:47 <Sparks> Anyone have anything they want to talk about? Apr 08 21:05:53 * lcafiero sneaks in and sits in back. Apr 08 21:06:04 <radsy> nope Apr 08 21:06:15 * jjmcd was wondering whether there is likely to be a lot of docs folks at berlin Apr 08 21:06:15 <kirk_> nope Apr 08 21:06:18 <stickster> jjmcd: I misspoke, by "here" I meant, let's meet at #fedora-docs Apr 08 21:06:25 <jjmcd> yes Apr 08 21:06:31 <jjmcd> I assumed so Apr 08 21:06:32 <stickster> I'll be there! Apr 08 21:06:34 <stickster> (Berlin I mean) Apr 08 21:06:43 <stickster> I just booked my flight today Apr 08 21:06:48 <stickster> Airfare suddenly plummeted for some odd reason Apr 08 21:06:56 <stickster> What was $1050 last week was $589 today. Apr 08 21:07:01 <jjmcd> I still haven't decided, but maybe a wiki->rpm automation hackfest topic Apr 08 21:07:02 <ke4qqq> wow Apr 08 21:07:04 <jjmcd> cool Apr 08 21:07:16 <stickster> Is it a bad sign that it was on "Acme Airlines"? Apr 08 21:07:21 <jjmcd> I got a friend could get me a delta employee fare Apr 08 21:07:51 <jjmcd> And I might just drag along baby boy Apr 08 21:08:27 <jjmcd> (baby boy is older than half the docs folks) Apr 08 21:08:43 <stickster> jjmcd: f13 can probably confirm this, but fedora-release-notes is no longer a Requires: of fedora-release in F11 I think Apr 08 21:09:28 <stickster> Which means that if something goes horribly, horribly wrong, fedora-release-notes could be missing and the release can still proceed Apr 08 21:09:43 <jjmcd> Well, I don't plan on going horribly wrong Apr 08 21:09:44 <stickster> I think we'd all rather that not happen, but it's worth keeping in the back of your mind. Apr 08 21:09:58 * G_work_ (n=njones@nat/redhat/x-d22be01f2cbc6651) has joined #fedora-meeting Apr 08 21:10:16 * ke4qqq is heading out for a bit - be back in an hour or so Apr 08 21:10:33 * G_work has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) Apr 08 21:10:37 <Sparks> Okay, anything else for the meeting? Apr 08 21:11:02 <jjmcd> I think we're set Apr 08 21:11:12 <Sparks> I know we've been missing some things on the agenda but after the RN goes to press next week I'll try to get things back on track. Apr 08 21:11:22 <Sparks> 5 Apr 08 21:11:24 <Sparks> 4 Apr 08 21:11:26 <Sparks> 3 Apr 08 21:11:28 <Sparks> 2 Apr 08 21:11:31 <Sparks> 1 Apr 08 21:11:36 <Sparks> Thanks everyone for coming! Apr 08 21:11:36 <Sparks> </meeting>

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The wiki freeze is scheduled for tomorrow. If you plan to add some release notes content to the wiki, time is getting short. If there are items you think need more content, but you aren't comfortable with the wordsmithing, leave some content in the wiki and the Docs folks will be happy to clean up the prose. Following the wiki freeze we still can make changes in the xml, so if something comes up that should change the release notes, email myself or Ryan Lerch and we will make the changes. --McD

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