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[Bug 505940] New: Need to package scribite.
by Red Hat Bugzilla 15 Jun '09

15 Jun '09

Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. Summary: Need to package scribite. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=505940 Summary: Need to package scribite. Product: Fedora Documentation Version: devel Platform: All OS/Version: Linux Status: NEW Severity: medium Priority: low Component: docs-requests AssignedTo: eric(a)christensenplace.us ReportedBy: eric(a)christensenplace.us QAContact: fedora-docs-list(a)redhat.com CC: stickster(a)gmail.com Blocks: 504066 Classification: Fedora Description of problem: Need to package scribite. Version 3.1: http://code.zikula.org/scribite/browser/tags/scribite/3.1 -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the QA contact for the bug.

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F11: What went wrong? What went right?
by Eric Christensen 15 Jun '09

15 Jun '09

During the Fedora Activity Day (FAD) after the SouthEast LinuxFest (SELF) we discussed several topics concerning the Fedora 11 release. The complete day's notes are available on the wiki[1] for your review. I will be pasting from the wiki into these messages in order to hopefully begin some discussion on how we can make our next release much better. I'll post this initial post and then provide comments within. I encourage all Docs Project members provide their comments as well. What went wrong Changing Release Notes data * Two days before F11 was released, the release notes beats on wiki were still changing * Audio change * Networking issue * Expect full-timers to include info Secret cabal-driven freezes that aren't communicated * (leading to people not knowing about freezes occurring and when RN data needed.) * this is also a comms problem on our part. Too many rogue documents. Getting RPMs pushed - going through f13 takes as much time as building the rpm * We need to be able to push packages ourselves (i.e. need instructions, guidelines, etc.) * Not enough packagers in Docs * Only f13 and stickster know how to push RNs -- need more co-maintainers Could use more clarity understanding on what is implied by freezes, trans, etc Need more interaction with L10n Bugs not being filled out in timely manner * Many RN bugs arrive at the last minute that were known early on -indeed (SEE ABOVE) Need to centralize where bugs are filed (too many choices -- BZ, Trac instances...) * BZ even has too many subchoices (components, etc.) Poor notations on where/how bugs/issues should be filed Wiki search SUCKS BIG TIME!! No good documentation on moving things from wiki to DocBook/Publican stores Could use more consistency in wiki markup Need better documentation on what we want to use from DocBook markup No good process for dealing with orphan documents RN documents are not all in one place (about-fedora, readme's, etc.) Lack of understanding of release schedule process Publican and Fedora/GNOME lang codes not consistent * Not at all clear how login lang selected is used Translators having too much work. Release notes are ill-defined * Too long for normal users to read * Beats have inconsistent levels of content * Need some separation We don't know anything about visit statistics for docs.fp.o We need a more rigorous freeze on wiki release note beats * Notes to f-docs-l, f-trans-l f-dev-l several times before each milestone BZ URL ulink default in Publican is unhelpful at best Not clear if remaining (obsolete? unmaintained?) docs need conversion to Publican (strikes me as part of undefined orphan process) docs.fp.o site sucks (Mo knows) * Need solution for people to install a doc just for their lang, in their format * No CMS, no easy publishing, high barrier to participation * No real indexing... What went right DOCS PEOPLE ROCK Many more docs/guides available than ever before!! (we rocked!) The wiki didn't asplode, but should have. (yay!) Everything seemed a lot more organized this release + Packaging is easier than it sounds + The install guide is awesome ++ Some folks really rolled up their sleeves and helped - zoglesby, laubersm, rudi much better collaboration this release cycle felt far less rushed than F10 stickster and quaid got out of the way and Sparks got run over Brisbane folks represented, yo Red Hat relicensed guide material in a way where we can generate community presence around them [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_Documentation_Meeting_2009_06_14 Thanks, Eric

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FAD @ SELF
by John J. McDonough 15 Jun '09

15 Jun '09

I just wanted to take a moment to thank David and Eric for organizing a very productive FAD. Sure the audio didn't work out as well as we might have liked, I screwed up on trying to record it, and we got started late, but boy did we get a lot done. We identified a whole pile of things we would like to see better, but then were able to focus that discussion down to a manageable number of things that we actually might do. Viewed from my narrow release notes perspective, this was a really big win. There is work to be done to be sure, but we have some clear direction and we know what the big hitters are. There were lots of things that went well, too. Sometimes we forget those, but it is good to recognize them so we can leverage them next time. Paul then walked us through the whole business of po and pot files, and what the translators have to deal with. Most of this was old new to me, having been baptized by fire in F11, but it was good to see the knowledge getting spread around, and I think it is especially helpful to understand what impact our actions have on L10n. Then Ian Weller did a little packaging class, and we rolled up our sleeves and packaged a bunch of Zikula modules. There is still more to do, but we made a terrific amount of progress in a very short time. We tracked the meeting in Gobby, and that document will be posted to the wiki shortly so those that couldn't join in can at least see the major thoughts. Sorry about the recording, but then a six or so hour audio wouldn't be that much fun to listen too, anyway. Thanks to those who worked hard to make this happen, and to all the folks who were able to join in, add to the discussions, and do the work. It was a day well spent. --McD

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[Bug 505939] New: Need to package MultiHook.
by Red Hat Bugzilla 14 Jun '09

14 Jun '09

Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. Summary: Need to package MultiHook. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=505939 Summary: Need to package MultiHook. Product: Fedora Documentation Version: devel Platform: All OS/Version: Linux Status: NEW Severity: medium Priority: low Component: docs-requests AssignedTo: eric(a)christensenplace.us ReportedBy: eric(a)christensenplace.us QAContact: fedora-docs-list(a)redhat.com CC: stickster(a)gmail.com Blocks: 504066 Classification: Fedora Description of problem: Need to package MultiHook. SVN Head: http://code.zikula.org/multihook/browser/trunk/MultiHook -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the QA contact for the bug.

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Re: fedora-docs-list Digest, Vol 64, Issue 21
by Lee Brewer 14 Jun '09

14 Jun '09

I was there at 9am waiting on "those who partied too hard" to show up. Bah wah wah wah!!! -- ____________________________ ~uclugLee sent using Fedora(11) Linux Evolution email Smoothwall On Sun, 2009-06-14 at 12:00 -0400, fedora-docs-list-request(a)redhat.com wrote: > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 13:44:48 -0400 > From: Eric Christensen <eric(a)christensenplace.us> > Subject: Tomorrow's FAD Start Time > To: For participants of the Documentation Project > <fedora-docs-list(a)redhat.com>, For discussions about marketing and > expanding the Fedora user base <fedora-marketing-list(a)redhat.com> > Message-ID: > <c5cb00220906131044v3dbb99a5k85f1709d88111ac7(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Any complaints to starting tomorrow's FAD at 9A (EDT) versus 10A? > > Eric > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 15:43:43 -0400 > From: Paul Frields <stickster(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: Tomorrow's FAD Start Time > To: For participants of the Documentation Project > <fedora-docs-list(a)redhat.com> > Message-ID: > <ef93afcf0906131243o74a93002ua0980925009154d1(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 1:44 PM, Eric > Christensen<eric(a)christensenplace.us> wrote: > > Any complaints to starting tomorrow's FAD at 9A (EDT) versus 10A? > > > > Eric > > A bunch of us are planning on being there at 9am. Don't miss out on an > extra hour of fun! ;-) > > Paul

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Tomorrow's FAD Start Time
by Eric Christensen 13 Jun '09

13 Jun '09

Any complaints to starting tomorrow's FAD at 9A (EDT) versus 10A? Eric

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Upgrade Doc?
by Eric Christensen 13 Jun '09

13 Jun '09

Do we need to make a single page guide for upgrading to the latest version of F? My question comes from the fact that at the Fedora table at SELF I noted a BUNCH of F10 disks on the table. I saw F11 disks on the table after the morning keynote speaker so that was good but I wonder if it would be a good idea to have a web address that we can point someone to if they do pick up a F10 disk because that's all the person running the table has at the time. Eric

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Introduction
by Sri Ram 13 Jun '09

13 Jun '09

Hi, I am Sri Ram. I working with fedora community for a long period. i am interested in contributing to Fedora Documentation Project. I am documented the fedora 10 release announcement for my LUG. Link : https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/7/72/Fedora10_Release_Announcement_KKLU… Details: Name : Sri Ram IRC Nickname : emplinux -- Regards Sriram B -- Fedora Ambassador - India empoweringlinux(a)fedoraproject.org Key fingerprint : B3FF F8AE 4576 1CB2 51E0 1118 5B70 C4EB A575 A19A

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Transifex 0.6 on its way
by Ruediger Landmann 13 Jun '09

13 Jun '09

Forwarded from f-t-l -- Yay! -------- Original Message -------- Subject: translate.fedoraproject.org changes Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 17:08:11 -0400 From: Ricky Zhou <ricky(a)fedoraproject.org> Reply-To: Fedora Translation Project List <fedora-trans-list(a)redhat.com> To: fedora-trans-list(a)redhat.com Hey, as Dimitris requested at https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1455, we're going to start getting rid of the old services under translate.fedoraproject.org. Today, we will be doing the first three items on the task list in the ticket, and testing for Transifex 0.6 on a test server will start soon after. Just giving everybody a heads up, and thanks to the Transifex team for all their work our translation infrastructure! Thanks, Ricky

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Docs FAD at the Southeast Linuxfest
by David Nalley 12 Jun '09

12 Jun '09

Just a quick note on the Docs FAD on June 14th that will follow the Southeast Linuxfest in Clemson SC. We have 8 attendees listed thus far: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_SELF And I am sure that we will have even more show up, and hopefully a few recruited the day before. We have a significant contingent of contributors that are unable to attend. We will use Docs Project's conference bridge (2008) on Fedora Talk to let those join the conversation. This is particularly important during the Docs Decisions for F12. Currently my proposed itinerary is: (times below are eastern) 9:00 AM - 10:30 AM - Docs Decisions for F12 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_decisions_for_F12 10:30 AM - 11:30 AM A non-translator's introduction to the POT/PO model 11:30 AM - Balance of the day working on zikula modules and getting packaging instruction from Ian Weller If there's demand, we'll get Paul to provide an introduction to DocBook. as well. If you don't like this schedule, please feel free to suggest changes If you are remotely interested in the Docs Project, and are in the southeast, please consider attending, it will be a huge benefit for you and the project.

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