Docs Meeting 2010-01-21 Summary
by John J. McDonough
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#fedora-meeting: Docs Project Meeting 2010-01-21
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Meeting started by jjmcd at 00:01:45 UTC. The full logs are available at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2010-01-21/fedora-meeting...
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Meeting summary
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* roll call (jjmcd, 00:01:58)
* F13 Release Schedule (jjmcd, 00:03:39)
* LINK:
http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-13/f-13-docs-and-trans-tasks...
(jjmcd, 00:03:52)
* ACTION: jjmcd will put up a wiki page for each of the content owners
to agree to the schedule (jjmcd, 00:07:22)
* Desktop Help Summit (jjmcd, 00:10:24)
* LINK: http://live.gnome.org/DesktopHelpSummit2010 (jjmcd,
00:10:40)
* Release Notes (jjmcd, 00:16:08)
* Status on CMS (Zikula) (jjmcd, 00:18:27)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zikula#Module_status (jjmcd,
00:18:35)
* Guide Status (jjmcd, 00:20:23)
* New Guides (jjmcd, 00:21:47)
* All other business (jjmcd, 00:23:21)
* LINK: http://docs.fedoraproject.org/selinux-faq/ i'm updating that
(radsy, 00:23:22)
Meeting ended at 00:32:19 UTC.
Action Items
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* jjmcd will put up a wiki page for each of the content owners to agree
to the schedule
Action Items, by person
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* jjmcd
* jjmcd will put up a wiki page for each of the content owners to
agree to the schedule
* **UNASSIGNED**
* (none)
People Present (lines said)
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* jjmcd (72)
* laubersm (10)
* quaid (6)
* radsy (5)
* rudi (3)
* zodbot (2)
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14 years, 3 months
guide admins
by Karsten Wade
I'm on a fair number of guides in fedorahosted.org as an admin, which
is great; I'm happy to be able to do any such back-up in my emeritus
role.
But I worry that requests are not being addressed, partially because
when I go to admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts, I usually see open
requests. Currently there are 11, for these groups:
gittranslation-quick-start-guide.
gitfedora-doc-utils.
gitinstall-guide.
gitreadme-burning-isos.
Some suggestions:
* Can active writers/leaders/admins for those groups address the open
requests so people don't feel forgotten forever?
* Can someone do an audit to make sure that all of our guides have
active maintainers, who have admins privileges, and know to respond
to the requests?
* Can we coordinate to make sure requests aren't left too long?
The open problem is that people request to join a group without ever
knowing about or following a related joining process.
When I was an active guide/group maintainer, I would cycle through,
send email to people asking them to following the process at URL, then
delete their request after it hung out for more than a month.
cheers - Karsten
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name: Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Sr. Community Gardener
team: Red Hat Community Architecture
uri: http://quaid.fedorapeople.org
gpg: AD0E0C41
14 years, 3 months
Docs Meeting 2010-01-14 Summary
by Eric Christensen
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Meeting started by sparks at 00:00:23 UTC. The full logs are available
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* Roll Call (sparks, 00:00:28)
* F13 Release Schedule (sparks, 00:05:55)
* LINK:
http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-13/f-13-docs-and-trans-tasks...
(sparks, 00:06:04)
* ACTION: jjmcd to get with poelcat to work out the minor issues to
the F13 schedule. (sparks, 00:11:26)
* Desktop Help Summit (sparks, 00:14:32)
* LINK: http://live.gnome.org/DesktopHelpSummit2010 (sparks,
00:14:40)
* Release Notes (sparks, 00:33:32)
* Status on CMS (Zikula) (sparks, 00:34:27)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zikula#Module_status (sparks,
00:34:35)
* Guide Status (sparks, 00:37:15)
* New Guides (sparks, 00:53:04)
* Open discussion (sparks, 00:53:51)
Meeting ended at 01:04:20 UTC.
Action Items
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* jjmcd to get with poelcat to work out the minor issues to the F13
schedule.
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* jjmcd
* jjmcd to get with poelcat to work out the minor issues to the F13
schedule.
* poelcat
* jjmcd to get with poelcat to work out the minor issues to the F13
schedule.
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* jjmcd (57)
* nirik (15)
* bcotton (14)
* laubersm (12)
* zodbot (6)
* mchua (4)
* shaunm (4)
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* ianweller (1)
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14 years, 3 months
Docs Meeting 2010-01-14 IRC log
by Eric Christensen
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00:00:23 <sparks> #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings
00:00:23 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Jan 14 00:00:23 2010 UTC. The
chair is sparks. Information about MeetBot at
http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
00:00:23 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea
#link #topic.
00:00:28 <sparks> #topic Roll Call
00:00:29 * sparks
00:00:43 * jjmcd .
00:00:49 <sparks> #chair jjmcd
00:00:49 <zodbot> Current chairs: jjmcd sparks
00:01:32 <jjmcd> ummm, where are all the other troublemakers and
ne'er-do-wells ?
00:01:45 <sparks> I donno...
00:01:54 <sparks> I figured they'd be along..
00:02:12 <jjmcd> I put stickster_afk's topic on the agenda
00:02:32 * bcotton is here and is both a troublemaker AND a ne'er-do-well
00:02:36 * laubersm slinks into the back
00:05:35 <sparks> Okay, let's get started.
00:05:55 <sparks> #topic F13 Release Schedule
00:06:04 <sparks> #link
http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-13/f-13-docs-and-trans-tasks...
00:06:29 <jjmcd> I never did get with poelcat on my concerns, but they
were mostly nit-picks
00:08:14 <sparks> poelcat: You around?
00:08:20 <poelcat> present
00:08:51 * jjmcd hasn't been able to find his note just now
00:09:10 <sparks> heh
00:09:20 <jjmcd> John, I had a few concerns about the sked, nothing that
really affects anyone else. A few things could start earlier, a few
things had confusing wording
00:09:29 <sparks> poelcat: Well, apparently jjmcd wants to nit pick the
schedule but now doesn't have the notes he made.
00:09:29 <jjmcd> But I need to dig to find my notes
00:09:53 <jjmcd> No biggies tho
00:10:12 <jjmcd> I have a feeling I may have made them on a piece of
dead tree
00:11:26 <sparks> #action jjmcd to get with poelcat to work out the
minor issues to the F13 schedule.
00:11:57 <sparks> poelcat: Sorry about that. I thought we might have a
break through
00:11:58 <jjmcd> yeah, grepping paper is a pain
00:12:13 <poelcat> okay, let me know when you want to schedule an
"intervention" ;-)
00:12:47 <sparks> Okay... anything else on the F13 schedule?
00:13:00 <sparks> I know I looked over it and didn't see anything major
that was broken.
00:13:06 <jjmcd> poelcat, I'll email you my nit-picks
00:13:25 <poelcat> jjmcd: okay, please include line refs
00:13:30 <jjmcd> Yeah
00:13:36 <jjmcd> I did that on my notes
00:13:48 * ianweller is here
00:14:05 <sparks> Okay, moving on.
00:14:20 <sparks> poelcat: thanks
00:14:32 <sparks> #topic Desktop Help Summit
00:14:40 <sparks> #link http://live.gnome.org/DesktopHelpSummit2010
00:14:59 <sparks> I guess shaunm isn't here tonight...
00:15:24 <jjmcd> Does everyone know about it?
00:15:26 <sparks> So the Docs Project has been invited to the GNOME
Desktop Help Summit...
00:16:00 <sparks> which will include people from different flavors
(Ubuntu, etc) and different desktops (KDE, GNOME, etc)..
00:16:14 <sparks> to help come up with a standard way of pushing
documentation to the user.
00:16:35 <jjmcd> I see no XFCE rep - just noticed that
00:17:08 <sparks> As you know we use Yelp in GNOME, which works well
with XML, but KDE like HTML and XFCE and Sugar and... might like HTML
or XML or whatever.
00:17:16 <bcotton> jjmcd: jim campbell is listed as being a part of xfce
00:17:38 <sparks> But the problem is that we can't push a single format
and have all our desktop users access it similarly.
00:17:50 <sparks> And don't get me started with the translations.
00:18:14 <sparks> So if you are interested in going I need to know by
next week.
00:18:39 <sparks> Please include your transportation costs.
00:19:03 <jjmcd> Are we going to try to hang a Fedora event on it?
00:19:12 <sparks> Shaun is attempting to find some funding but I have
asked spevack for some assistance as well.
00:19:18 <sparks> We could.
00:19:20 <jjmcd> THere was some discussion of maybe something Monday
00:19:27 <sparks> I sent a note to the list and got zero responses.
00:20:07 <laubersm> too far out for me to plan....
00:20:38 * jjmcd not decided on drive/fly
00:20:46 <laubersm> and I haven't been involved enough in the packaging
(format decisions) to make a contribution
00:21:12 <jjmcd> laubersm, so a good opportunity then
00:21:17 <sparks> well, as long as jjmcd gets there.
00:21:27 <laubersm> ha!
00:21:29 <sparks> laubersm: True... it would be a great opportunity.
00:22:03 * bcotton could be interested potentially, but it would
interfere with my basketball obsession
00:22:10 <laubersm> Schedule looks doubtful for me though - the previous
weekend already has 2 items and I don't know my work/travel sched until
about 2 weeks in advance...
00:22:28 <laubersm> make it hard to book a non-reundable from home when
I may need to originate from elsewhere
00:22:36 <jjmcd> Ahh, so you could arrange to be in chicago the week before
00:23:02 <laubersm> non-refundable is about 400 and flexible is about 2k
00:23:16 <laubersm> Ask RH training....
00:23:20 <jjmcd> yeah, dontcha love it
00:23:28 <laubersm> if they put in Chicago before or after I'll be there
00:24:40 <jjmcd> Hey look
00:24:43 <sparks> speak of the devil
00:24:59 <jjmcd> Ears must have been burning
00:25:00 <shaunm> I told you, electric shocks
00:25:04 <sparks> heh
00:25:13 <shaunm> what's up?
00:25:25 <jjmcd> We were just on the second topic
00:25:26 <sparks> we're just talking about the summit
00:25:54 <shaunm> ah, ok
00:26:55 <nirik> jjmcd: The Xfce sig has a mailing list now... you could
send your questions to there? ;)
00:27:26 <jjmcd> nirik, Nathan did some testing for us
00:27:33 <jjmcd> Looks encouraging
00:28:02 <nirik> cool. Let us know if we can do anything more to assist
on it.
00:28:12 <jjmcd> thanks
00:28:31 <jjmcd> And it looks like shaunm has xfce covered for the summit
00:29:10 <shaunm> Jim's coming, yes. There aren't a whole lot of people
doing xfce documentation
00:30:07 <nirik> yeah. ;(
00:32:23 <sparks> Okay, anything else on this topic?
00:33:23 <sparks> Okay, moving on.
00:33:32 <sparks> #topic Release Notes
00:33:44 <sparks> jjmcd: Anything to discuss about the Release Notes?
00:34:03 <jjmcd> Nothing much to report on that front other than the
packaging program which prolly fits better w/guides
00:34:13 <sparks> Okay
00:34:27 <sparks> #topic Status on CMS (Zikula)
00:34:35 <sparks> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zikula#Module_status
00:34:43 <sparks> ke4qqq: You around?
00:34:47 <sparks> mchua: ping
00:35:20 <mchua> sparks: pong
00:35:30 * mchua reads up
00:35:32 <sparks> mchua: Anything else going on with Zikula that you
know of?
00:35:55 <mchua> I am going through
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_set_up_a_Zikula_sandbox as we
speak, so we'll find out shortly
00:35:58 <mchua> but nothing has hit yet
00:36:04 <sparks> okay
00:36:08 <sparks> no problem.
00:36:22 <sparks> Anyone have anything on this they'd like to discuss
before moving on?
00:37:01 <sparks> mchua: Thank you.
00:37:15 <sparks> #topic Guide Status
00:37:26 <sparks> jjmcd: What you got.
00:37:43 <jjmcd> Last week I was supposed to make a test rpm from
packaging prog
00:37:56 <jjmcd> I picked IG since it is more complex than RNs
00:38:14 <jjmcd> Ended up improving prog, works in Gnome, KDE and XFCE
00:38:21 <jjmcd> However, Paul found a prob
00:38:41 <jjmcd> Sent out a fixed doc to test, no reponse yet
00:38:52 <jjmcd> Fixed prog not on git yet, will do that tomorrow
00:39:23 <jjmcd> But you can take your guide, build N languages, prog
will make a package with the correct functionality
00:39:43 <sparks> cool
00:40:00 <jjmcd> Just fill in a short config file with stuff like
version, author, run prog and out pops RPM and SRPM
00:40:20 <jjmcd> Reminded me of the old adage
00:40:29 <jjmcd> To iterate is human, to recurse divine
00:40:37 <jjmcd> Had to do that to deal with IG
00:40:59 <sparks> cool
00:41:02 <sparks> so that works
00:41:12 <jjmcd> Yeah, would like more testing tho
00:41:24 <jjmcd> posted the test doc's url to the list
00:42:14 <sparks> If I could ever get a second... :)
00:42:24 <jjmcd> I know that feeling
00:43:02 <sparks> Does anyone have anything else?
00:43:18 * nirik has a small item for open floor when/if that happens.
00:43:30 <sparks> nirik: that will be in just a minute
00:43:40 * bcotton can fulfill his promise re: rpm guide
00:43:48 <sparks> excellent
00:43:54 <jjmcd> way cool
00:44:33 <bcotton> here's where we stand. jsmith has labored to get it
all publicanized. i've fixed a few typos, and we're ready to start
making real edits
00:44:36 <jjmcd> bcotton, since you are now an rpm guru, would you like
to review the rpm-making prog?
00:44:45 <bcotton> jjmcd, sure
00:45:05 <bcotton> so what i need for the guide now is some guidance
from the old hands about how much we want to change
00:45:06 <jjmcd> I'll send you the repo addy after I push the latest changes
00:45:50 <bcotton> do we just want to update the technical facts, do we
want to completely re-write it, do we want to do something in between
00:46:16 <jjmcd> Have you spoken with Florian?
00:46:35 <bcotton> i have not
00:47:03 <jjmcd> He is kind of the customer
00:47:21 <jjmcd> Ffesti - I don't see an email on his user page
00:47:35 <bcotton> i'm sure i can find one on the Googles or something
00:47:53 <jjmcd> I suspect it is something arcane like ffesti(a)rh.c
00:48:09 <jjmcd> .fasinfo ffesti
00:48:10 <zodbot> jjmcd: User: ffesti, Name: Florian Festi, email:
ffesti(a)redhat.com, Creation: 2006-07-04, IRC Nick: ffesti, Timezone:
UTC, Locale: en, Extension: 5100764, GPG key ID: , Status: active
00:48:13 <bcotton> i assume we're covered from a copyright standpoint,
right?
00:48:14 <zodbot> jjmcd: Approved Groups: cla_done fedorabugs packager
hgLHCP gitpyrpm cla_fedora svnsystem-config-printer
hgsystem-config-services gitsystem-config-printer
00:48:18 <zodbot> jjmcd: Unapproved Groups: None
00:48:56 <bcotton> in that we won't get in trouble with the original
author for re-writing his work
00:49:27 <jjmcd> I remember having a discussion about that like a
hundred years ago
00:49:54 <jjmcd> Can't say I recall what our concerns were, tho. If
there are any issues, Florian would be on top of them
00:49:56 <bcotton> i know someone was looking into it, but i dont know
if we ever got that covered. iirc, he didn't have a CLA
00:50:52 <bcotton> okay, cool. well i'll get in touch with florian and
start getting the guide updated. i guess that covers me for now, unless
anyone else wants to talk rpm guide
00:52:36 <sparks> Okay, anything else?
00:53:04 <sparks> #topic New Guides
00:53:11 <sparks> Okay, any new guides anyone wants to talk about?
00:53:51 <sparks> #topic Open discussion
00:53:55 <sparks> nirik: You had something?
00:54:12 <nirik> It looks like we are going to be splitting out the
fedora-rawhide.repo file from the main fedora-release file. I said I
would look for where we need to update docs about this. I know the
rawhide wiki page needs updating. Is there any way I can find out where
else needs changing? should I file a bug/ticket and/or work with folks
in #fedora-docs? or other suggestions?
00:55:12 <jjmcd> I guess I don't totally understand the impact, so I
presume maybe somebody else also doesn't
00:55:47 <jjmcd> nirik, filing bugs is a good thing, they don't get
lost, but we will need an SME to help
00:56:06 <nirik> yeah, basically the files that tell yum and packagekit
about the rawhide repo will be in a subpackage thats not installed by
default.
00:56:26 <nirik> so, if you want to go from a stable release-> rawhide
you have to install that package and then enable it, instead of just
enabling it.
00:56:34 <laubersm> I doubt there is much documentation on it other than
in the wiki on how to use rawhide
00:56:42 <jjmcd> Oh, that actually sounds like an improvement
00:56:43 <nirik> yeah, I don't know where it would be.
00:56:57 <laubersm> if anyone sees it - a bug on that doc would be the
best way.
00:56:59 <nirik> what docs would refer to rawhide in particular.
00:57:23 <sparks> nirik: Is this going to be post F13?
00:57:34 <laubersm> A note to the docs list would alert any guide owners
to think if there is a reference .... maybe install but I even boubt
that since it so GA focused
00:57:54 <nirik> sparks: the change should be made in this rawhide
cycle... so f13 would be the first release with it.
00:57:59 <jjmcd> Should have a release note for the change, tho
00:58:22 <nirik> yeah, most docs I can think of are talking about stable
release... not rawhide, but thought I would ask
00:58:32 <sparks> jjmcd: That was my thought
00:58:35 <nirik> yes, release note is a very good idea.
00:59:32 <sparks> nirik: something on the news feed would be good too
00:59:43 <nirik> FWN?
00:59:53 <sparks> yeah
01:00:08 <nirik> ok.
01:00:45 <nirik> thanks for the suggestions. ;)
01:01:09 <sparks> no problem. good luck!
01:01:44 <sparks> Anything else?
01:04:12 <sparks> Okay, thanks everyone for coming out tonight.
01:04:20 <sparks> #endmeeting
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14 years, 3 months
Fwd: Re: Docs in Sugar
by Eric Christensen
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John,
Does this make sense to you?
Eric
- -------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Docs in Sugar
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 16:40:06 -0800
From: S Page <skierpage(a)gmail.com>
To: Eric Christensen <eric(a)christensenplace.us>
CC: fedora-olpc-list(a)redhat.com
(I'm going through OLPC e-mails and came across this old thread. It
doesn't look like anyone else responded.)
> Do you know what software drives that offline manual?
There's a nice short explanation at
http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/help , which also has its Python
code:
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The Help activity is a manual for Sugar and the OLPC XO. It currently
opens a gecko instance to a remix of chapters from the Flossmanuals[1]
Sugar[2], XO[3] and activity manuals.
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More details and some ideas for the Help activity are at
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/Help
> The Fedora
> Documentation Project is working on making sure our documentation is
> accessible to everyone regardless of the desktop.
The help documentation is just HTML pages (from flossmanuals.net,
incorporated into git, and put in the activity bundle), so on some
other desktop "Sugar Help Documentation" could simply launch a local
or remote URL of a suitable start page, and let the user's default
browser open it. (IMO that's all Sugar should do, but reasonable
people disagree ;-) .) Presumably on this other desktop the user
would not be running on OLPC hardware, so a remix[4] of chapters from
the Flossmanuals Sugar and activity manuals without the XO hardware
info seems more appropriate. Sugar Labs might have created this set
of pages this already but I couldn't find it; you could ask on a Sugar
mailing list, if you haven't already.
Hope this helps.
- --
=S Page
[1] http://en.flossmanuals.net/
[2] http://en.flossmanuals.net/Sugar
[3] http://en.flossmanuals.net/XO
[4] http://en.flossmanuals.net/remix
- --
- --Eric
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14 years, 3 months
Fedora Docs Meeting Reminder
by Eric Christensen
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14 years, 3 months
Test RPM
by John J. McDonough
I sent this over the weekend, and apparently it got lost in the list
shuffle, so lets see if it makes it this time, or maybe we'll eventually
get a duplicate:
At Thursday morning's meeting, one of my tasks was to put together an
RPM for testing with the various desktops. I have such an RPM at
<http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/getfile?taskID=1911849&name=ig-12.2.1-...>
This is not a particularly useful document since I only packaged four
languages to keep the size down. I picked the Install Guide rather than
the Release Notes since it is a more complex document, but I didn't do
all the po file merging, so the documents are only partially translated.
In using the Install Guide I ran across an oversight in my packaging
program which has been corrected (and pushed to git). But you can
install it an check that on the various desktops it shows up in multiple
languages.
The languages in the RPM are U. S. English, Spanish (Español), Kannada
(ಕನ್ನಡ), and Traditional Chinese (繁體中文). I wanted a few languages
with different character sets just in case there was some weirdness
there. Kannada won simply because most of the other Indic languages had
errors in the translation and would not build.
The document SHOULD show up in Gnome under System->Documentation, in KDE
under System, and in XFCE under Other. Unfortunately, Book_Info.xml was
mostly not translated, so the menu choices are mostly English.
Note that on a pure KDE system, the pre-login language chooser you see
in Gnome is not available. On a Gnome/KDE system, it is, but KDE seems
to ignore it for about 90% of the things that should be changed. KDE
has several places where the language can be changed, but none seem to
do it 100%. We need some KDE expert.
Kannada does not seem to work well at all, again, perhaps a system
normally used that way would be better. On my system, Epiphany sees the
language code as "kn IN" (no dash or underscore), all the other browsers
see some variant of US English when logged in with Kannada as the
selected language. I think I may need to do an extensive investigation.
es-ES and zh-TW seem to work fine, but we need more eyes.
--McD
14 years, 3 months
Mail moderator queue
by Paul W. Frields
I just discarded a ton of mail from the moderator queue, but let one
or two oldies in that had been there since... well, a while. :-)
--
Paul
14 years, 3 months
Re: [Drafts] Command Line Survival Guide
by Vedran Miletić
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 4:57 AM, <rkavalap(a)sdf.lonestar.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I believe I tried to mention about this previously, there already exists
> a free open source command line guide in the link below.
> http://en.flossmanuals.net/
>
> It should be a good resource in developing a command line documentation in
> the fedora project. I will try to provide some hands on it some time soon.
Thanks for offering your help and information about this resource. My
primary inspiration was
http://doc.mandrivalinux.com/MandrivaLinux/101/en/Command-Line.pdf --
a bit out of date, but mostly useful, while JamesMcElhannon found his
inspiration in Debian's CLI manual. Nevertheless, it's always good to
have more than one source.
As I mentioned, the text is quite raw indeed. Formatting is bad, but
I'm fixing it as I progress in through all the written stuff.
One thing that is outstanding is that "Commonly Used Commands" section
needs to be reformed with a bit more examples, and uncommon parameters
removed. If someone wants to do it, feel free to; I will start working
on it as soon as I find time.
--
Vedran Miletić
14 years, 3 months
