Anyone seen this?
http://evolutioncolt.com/fedoraguide/
Regards
On Sat, 2005-07-16 at 15:29 -0400, Colin Charles wrote:
Anyone seen this?
Yes, but I can't figure out why [t|s]he[y] didn't work with the existing fedorafaq.org, whose material a lot of this site duplicates.
On Sat, 2005-07-16 at 17:03 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
On Sat, 2005-07-16 at 15:29 -0400, Colin Charles wrote:
Anyone seen this?
Yes, but I can't figure out why [t|s]he[y] didn't work with the existing fedorafaq.org, whose material a lot of this site duplicates.
Can someone from the Docs steering committee ask? Or even say "lets work together" ?
On Saturday 16 Jul 2005 22:08, Colin Charles wrote:
On Sat, 2005-07-16 at 17:03 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
On Sat, 2005-07-16 at 15:29 -0400, Colin Charles wrote:
Anyone seen this?
Yes, but I can't figure out why [t|s]he[y] didn't work with the existing fedorafaq.org, whose material a lot of this site duplicates.
Can someone from the Docs steering committee ask? Or even say "lets work together" ?
Sounds good to me?
Should it come from the Chair?
-- Colin Charles, http://www.bytebot.net/
On Sat, 2005-07-16 at 17:08 -0400, Colin Charles wrote:
On Sat, 2005-07-16 at 17:03 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
On Sat, 2005-07-16 at 15:29 -0400, Colin Charles wrote:
Anyone seen this?
Yes, but I can't figure out why [t|s]he[y] didn't work with the existing fedorafaq.org, whose material a lot of this site duplicates.
Can someone from the Docs steering committee ask? Or even say "lets work together" ?
Because, like FedoraFAQ much of what is contained in this EC site is legally questionable[1]. The issue of FedoraFAQ has come up before on this list (please see archives for details), and since we can't do as complete a job due to legal encumbrance, and since some of the advice given on the site violates both the spirit and mission of the Fedora Project -- e.g. to build a complete OS from free software -- we decided not to get involved officially, IIRC. If, however, you would like to get EC together with the FedoraFAQ maintainer, then by all means, do so! Collaboration is almost always a good thing in these situations.
= = = = = [1] Please, PLEASE, let's not start another "legal issues" thread. :-D If anyone has questions, I beg you in the name of all that is holy, read the archives, and then post only if you have a new and *compelling* argument.
Paul W. Frields wrote:
On Sat, 2005-07-16 at 15:29 -0400, Colin Charles wrote:
Anyone seen this?
Yes, but I can't figure out why [t|s]he[y] didn't work with the existing fedorafaq.org, whose material a lot of this site duplicates.
I already asked and the answer was the fedorafaq.org maintainer was busy and he wanted to do his own thing. Last I heard they were in contact.
regards Rahul
On Sat, 2005-07-16 at 17:03 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
Yes, but I can't figure out why [t|s]he[y] didn't work with the existing fedorafaq.org, whose material a lot of this site duplicates.
Actually, he offered to work with me a few times. :-) He's a nice guy, definitely. I was extremely busy until recently, but I definitely want to get with him and see if we can work anything out.
You'll also notice that the style of the Fedora Guide (the written style) is considerably different from fedorafaq.org -- I think the target audience is different. I'm targeting brand-new, totally fresh users, while the Guide is targeted more toward slightly knowledgeable users who want to know how to do something.
Also, the Guide goes into detail on some things that I haven't heard be actual Frequently Asked Questions, but are still useful information to have.
I like the Guide because it offers quick instructions on how to install a lot of stuff. I like the FAQ because it offers clear, brief, and detailed explanations for questions that users frequently ask.
However, I'd definitely recommend that somebody get Seb on this docs-list, if he isn't already. :-)
Oh, and I believe that Seb is also helping Sindre ("foolish") on the new http://www.fedorausers.org/ -- so perhaps a lot of the Guide material will be there, too. I'm not sure if Sindre is actually ready to announce fedorausers.org yet, but I thought that perhaps I'd point some of you docs folks there in case you'd also like to help out on that project.
The relationship between fedorausers and fedorafaq is that basically fedorausers is a detailed knowledge base, and fedorafaq is a list of Frequently Asked Questions with simple, highly-edited answers for brand-new users.
-Max
On Sun, 2005-07-17 at 23:13 -0700, Max Kanat-Alexander wrote:
Oh, and I believe that Seb is also helping Sindre ("foolish") on the new http://www.fedorausers.org/ -- so perhaps a lot of the Guide material will be there, too. I'm not sure if Sindre is actually ready to announce fedorausers.org yet, but I thought that perhaps I'd point some of you docs folks there in case you'd also like to help out on that project.
Ok, dare I ask a) why another fedora site, b) someone tell fedora-marketing this, c) can we work together as there are others trying to do this with the existing resources (read archives of f-m-l)
Regards (p/s: this has been forwarded to f-marketing-l)
On Mon, 2005-07-18 at 15:12 -0400, Colin Charles wrote:
Ok, dare I ask a) why another fedora site,
I dunnow -- I always thought more sites meant more communication, which usually means more users in the long run.
b) someone tell fedora-marketing this,
Probably might want to hold off until Foolish says he's ready to announce fedorausers.org to make any annoucements, though.
c) can we work together as there are others trying to do this with the existing resources (read archives of f-m-l)
As far as fedorausers.org goes, you'd have to ask Foolish (Sindre).
-Max
On Mon, 2005-07-18 at 15:12 -0400, Colin Charles wrote:
Ok, dare I ask a) why another fedora site,
I don't think we can or should bring all things Fedora under the project umbrella.
We rely upon the value these sites bring. One value is that they have been there, in some cases all along, where we have foundered. Not only would it be not-fair to assimilate them, they have name recognition that we didn't earn.
Another value is in being able to more freely discuss some topics.
For example, in Fedora Documentation, we focus only on software you can get in Core or Extras. However, those aren't the only solutions out there. These sites are free to recommend any software and method that solves the problem. We'd have to expand our scope by a huge amount, and dilute the value of our Fedora-only documentation, to bring these sites under the Fedora Documentation umbrella. We have enough work as-is with the current scope, thankyouverymuch. :)
Another example is the typical one, all of the non-free/potentially patent-infringing discussions.
c) can we work together as there are others trying to do this with the existing resources (read archives of f-m-l)
This is the vision I have and have been trying to build:
* Third-party (3-p) Fedora sites are part of the f-marketing-l and f- docs-l, to help coordinate and keep informed on what is going on with similar efforts within Fedora.
* 3-p sites coordinate together through a mechanism of their choice, some of which are in the works. These mechanisms are made freely available to Fedora Project members who want to monitor or contribute.
* We run parallel collaboration, so the 3-p sites fill in the gaps we cannot, in a manner we will not.
- Karsten
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