10:03 p.m.
After the dust settles from the Fedora 9 release, around the week of
5th-9th May, we should try and set up a Docs toolchain group to assess
what work needs to be done with our toolchain:
1. Fix lingering problems
2. Make enhancements for usability
3. Integrate publican
4. Other?
Can we set up a weekly meeting on IRC Freenode (#fedora-docs) on a
weeknight (Sunday-Thursday) so that we can involve the Red Hat Docs
people in Brisbane? I've been doing a weekly phone call with that
group, but this would be a good way to move that conversation into
community space where it rightly belongs. Relaying messages is really
inefficient, and this gives the Docs team at Red Hat a good introduction
to our toolchain, and lets them participate in integrating publican.
This would be equivalent to the way the rest of Red Hat's engineers and
developers work with the community and would lead to renewed bonds and
teamwork.
I'll obviously participate since I have pretty good knowledge of our
tools, but that knowledge needs to leave my head and get into a lot of
others. Mainly that's because I'm no longer able to spend the time on
this work that it deserves.
Who's up for helping? I promise if I can learn this stuff, you can too.
It would be great to see some other contributors besides the people
already carrying substantial load. If you can run shell commands, you
can understand our tool set.
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12:49 a.m.
On Friday 04 April 2008 01:03:08 pm Paul W. Frields wrote:
After the dust settles from the Fedora 9 release, around the week of
5th-9th May, we should try and set up a Docs toolchain group to assess
what work needs to be done with our toolchain:
1. Fix lingering problems
2. Make enhancements for usability
3. Integrate publican
4. Other?
4. Make sure any changes integrate well with L10N Toolchain
5. Others?
Can we set up a weekly meeting on IRC Freenode (#fedora-docs) on a
weeknight (Sunday-Thursday) so that we can involve the Red Hat Docs
people in Brisbane? I've been doing a weekly phone call with that
group, but this would be a good way to move that conversation into
community space where it rightly belongs. Relaying messages is really
inefficient, and this gives the Docs team at Red Hat a good introduction
to our toolchain, and lets them participate in integrating publican.
This would be equivalent to the way the rest of Red Hat's engineers and
developers work with the community and would lead to renewed bonds and
teamwork.
I'll obviously participate since I have pretty good knowledge of our
tools, but that knowledge needs to leave my head and get into a lot of
others. Mainly that's because I'm no longer able to spend the time on
this work that it deserves.
Who's up for helping? I promise if I can learn this stuff, you can too.
It would be great to see some other contributors besides the people
already carrying substantial load. If you can run shell commands, you
can understand our tool set.
I'll be there representing the L10N side of things, provided the meeting is at
a reasonable time of day :)
cheers,
asgeir
10:09 a.m.
On Fri, 2008-04-04 at 15:49 +1000, Asgeir Frimannsson wrote:
On Friday 04 April 2008 01:03:08 pm Paul W. Frields wrote:
> After the dust settles from the Fedora 9 release, around the week of
> 5th-9th May, we should try and set up a Docs toolchain group to assess
> what work needs to be done with our toolchain:
>
> 1. Fix lingering problems
> 2. Make enhancements for usability
> 3. Integrate publican
> 4. Other?
4. Make sure any changes integrate well with L10N Toolchain
5. Others?
Excellent, thank you! :-)
> Can we set up a weekly meeting on IRC Freenode (#fedora-docs) on
a
> weeknight (Sunday-Thursday) so that we can involve the Red Hat Docs
> people in Brisbane? I've been doing a weekly phone call with that
> group, but this would be a good way to move that conversation into
> community space where it rightly belongs. Relaying messages is really
> inefficient, and this gives the Docs team at Red Hat a good introduction
> to our toolchain, and lets them participate in integrating publican.
> This would be equivalent to the way the rest of Red Hat's engineers and
> developers work with the community and would lead to renewed bonds and
> teamwork.
>
> I'll obviously participate since I have pretty good knowledge of our
> tools, but that knowledge needs to leave my head and get into a lot of
> others. Mainly that's because I'm no longer able to spend the time on
> this work that it deserves.
>
> Who's up for helping? I promise if I can learn this stuff, you can too.
> It would be great to see some other contributors besides the people
> already carrying substantial load. If you can run shell commands, you
> can understand our tool set.
I'll be there representing the L10N side of things, provided the meeting is at
a reasonable time of day :)
Yes, I want the meeting to happen on a weenight after 2300 UTC (7:00pm
US/Eastern, 4:00pm US/Pacific) so that we can make sure you folks in
Brisbane can be involved -- Brisbane is UTC +10 for those who don't
know.
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10:07 a.m.
On Thu, 2008-04-03 at 23:03 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
Can we set up a weekly meeting on IRC Freenode (#fedora-docs) on a
weeknight (Sunday-Thursday) so that we can involve the Red Hat Docs
people in Brisbane?
+1 to Thursday evening (Friday UTC). If it's the others, I may not be
available until after 0400 UTC. We need to find a time that doesn't put
the meeting in the middle of or near children's bedtimes on the US East
or West Coasts. That sounds like 2000 EDT(?)/Midnight UTC, and 2100
PDT/0400 UTC. So, something around 1800 P/2100 E/0100 U/1100 Brisbane?
- Karsten
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10:37 a.m.
On Thu, 2008-04-03 at 23:03 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
After the dust settles from the Fedora 9 release, around the week of
5th-9th May, we should try and set up a Docs toolchain group to assess
what work needs to be done with our toolchain:
I'd love to be part of this group... and if my luck holds out, I'll
actually be home that week instead of on the road as I previously
thought.
Can we set up a weekly meeting on IRC Freenode (#fedora-docs) on a
weeknight (Sunday-Thursday) so that we can involve the Red Hat Docs
people in Brisbane?
Sounds good to me.
-Jared
11:28 a.m.
On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 9:37 AM, Jared Smith <jaredsmith(a)jaredsmith.net>
wrote:
On Thu, 2008-04-03 at 23:03 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
> After the dust settles from the Fedora 9 release, around the week of
> 5th-9th May, we should try and set up a Docs toolchain group to assess
> what work needs to be done with our toolchain:
I don't know how much input you want, but I'll see what I can do to make it
and put in my two cents.
I spent a bit of time the other night learning publican from Jared Smith
(thanks man!) and would like to see where it leads me.
Cheers,
Clint
7:51 p.m.
On Fri, 2008-04-04 at 10:28 -0600, Clint Savage wrote:
On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 9:37 AM, Jared Smith
<jaredsmith(a)jaredsmith.net> wrote:
On Thu, 2008-04-03 at 23:03 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
> After the dust settles from the Fedora 9 release, around the
week of
> 5th-9th May, we should try and set up a Docs toolchain group
to assess
> what work needs to be done with our toolchain:
I don't know how much input you want, but I'll see what I can do to
make it and put in my two cents.
I spent a bit of time the other night learning publican from Jared
Smith (thanks man!) and would like to see where it leads me.
Absolutely, the more the merrier. The time sounds good to me. Just to
reiterate, this would be:
Fri 09 May 2008, 0100 UTC/1100 Brisbane
= Thu 08 May 2008, 2100 EDT/1800 PDT
Hopefully our Red Hat Docs subscribers on this list can let us know if
there's any hangups with that time.
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8:59 p.m.
On Sat, 2008-04-05 at 00:51 +0000, Paul W. Frields wrote:
On Fri, 2008-04-04 at 10:28 -0600, Clint Savage wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 9:37 AM, Jared Smith
> <jaredsmith(a)jaredsmith.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-04-03 at 23:03 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
>
> > After the dust settles from the Fedora 9 release, around the
> week of
> > 5th-9th May, we should try and set up a Docs toolchain group
> to assess
> > what work needs to be done with our toolchain:
>
>
> I don't know how much input you want, but I'll see what I can do to
> make it and put in my two cents.
> I spent a bit of time the other night learning publican from Jared
> Smith (thanks man!) and would like to see where it leads me.
Absolutely, the more the merrier. The time sounds good to me. Just to
reiterate, this would be:
Fri 09 May 2008, 0100 UTC/1100 Brisbane
= Thu 08 May 2008, 2100 EDT/1800 PDT
Hopefully our Red Hat Docs subscribers on this list can let us know if
there's any hangups with that time.
I would make the point about date and time issues that people consider
who should be there and who shouldn't.
I mean if the average docs user should be present maybe change the day
to a weekend if we can. 11am on Friday would mean I would be at work so
I can't be there. If I don't need to be there then it's all good :)
Cheers,
Marc
P.S. I'm back from my business trip so expect DuG posts incoming.
9:54 a.m.
On Sat, 2008-04-05 at 09:59 +0800, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote:
I would make the point about date and time issues that people
consider
who should be there and who shouldn't.
I mean if the average docs user should be present maybe change the day
to a weekend if we can. 11am on Friday would mean I would be at work
so
I can't be there. If I don't need to be there then it's all good :)
This is a good point to consider for those of us paid by RHT to be
present at the meeting. When we have meetings scheduled to happen
during business hours, we unconsciously exclude the non-(a)redhat.com
folks.
In the end, we all get inconvenienced to some degree. My default over
the years has been to take the inconvenience on myself and others who
are here because of their $dayjob.[1]
Sadly, this is actually the hardest with folks in Oz. Business hours in
the States are almost exactly the opposite of those in Australia, so
either people in the US have to attend during "work hours", or
vice-versa.
Options:
* Hold two meetings:
- one that lands in Aus/Singapore/other APAC working hours but is
after hours in the US/EMEA
- one that lands in the before/after hours for APAC but is in the
work-hours for the US/EMEA
* Seek a 'perfect time' for each meeting using a time matrix
- Karsten
[1] Easier and less risky than teaching people to tunnel IRC over ports
80 or 42
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12:22 p.m.
On Sat, 2008-04-05 at 07:54 -0700, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote:
On Sat, 2008-04-05 at 09:59 +0800, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote:
> I would make the point about date and time issues that people consider
> who should be there and who shouldn't.
>
> I mean if the average docs user should be present maybe change the day
> to a weekend if we can. 11am on Friday would mean I would be at work
> so
> I can't be there. If I don't need to be there then it's all good :)
This is a good point to consider for those of us paid by RHT to be
present at the meeting. When we have meetings scheduled to happen
during business hours, we unconsciously exclude the non-(a)redhat.com
folks.
In the end, we all get inconvenienced to some degree. My default over
the years has been to take the inconvenience on myself and others who
are here because of their $dayjob.[1]
Sadly, this is actually the hardest with folks in Oz. Business hours in
the States are almost exactly the opposite of those in Australia, so
either people in the US have to attend during "work hours", or
vice-versa.
Options:
* Hold two meetings:
- one that lands in Aus/Singapore/other APAC working hours but is
after hours in the US/EMEA
- one that lands in the before/after hours for APAC but is in the
work-hours for the US/EMEA
* Seek a 'perfect time' for each meeting using a time matrix
- Karsten
[1] Easier and less risky than teaching people to tunnel IRC over ports
80 or 42
I'm willing to meet during or after hours, but the real problem, as you
said, is that people in Oz or other APAC are going to be hard pressed to
meet at anytime that's "after hours" for Europe. The fact that IRC and
the list make it easy to follow up on the conversation mitigate that
problem quite a bit.
I'm open to changing the date, no problem. The folks in Red Hat BNE who
need to be involved should let us know here if that's a problem for
them. So, a new primary meet time could be:
Saturday, 10 May 2008, 0100 UTC/1100 Brisbane
= Friday, 09 May 2008, 2100 EDT/1800 PDT
Anyone?
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12:34 a.m.
Paul W. Frields 쓴 글:
I'm open to changing the date, no problem. The folks in Red Hat BNE who
need to be involved should let us know here if that's a problem for
them. So, a new primary meet time could be:
Saturday, 10 May 2008, 0100 UTC/1100 Brisbane
= Friday, 09 May 2008, 2100 EDT/1800 PDT
Anyone?
Folks in Brisbane told me that they can't make it during the day on Saturday
and I understand nobody wants to be working on the weekend.
Can we make it on Weekdays instead? Friday 11am would be better than Saturday 11am.
Thanks,
Michelle
7:41 a.m.
On Wed, 2008-04-09 at 15:34 +1000, Michelle Kim wrote:
Paul W. Frields 쓴 글:
>
> I'm open to changing the date, no problem. The folks in Red Hat BNE who
> need to be involved should let us know here if that's a problem for
> them. So, a new primary meet time could be:
>
> Saturday, 10 May 2008, 0100 UTC/1100 Brisbane
> = Friday, 09 May 2008, 2100 EDT/1800 PDT
>
> Anyone?
>
Folks in Brisbane told me that they can't make it during the day on Saturday and I
understand nobody wants to be working on the weekend.
Can we make it on Weekdays instead? Friday 11am would be better than Saturday 11am.
I am fine with a Friday (BNE)/Thursday (US) time. I don't think this is
really an "average docs user" conference, because we're going to be
talking about how the Makefile internals work and what technical issues
need to be resolved to integrate Publican into our Docs toolchain (along
with l10n issues). People who aren't experienced in how all that works
will probably glean just as much from the logs, which of course we can
post here per usual.
That's just my opinion... suggestions?
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6:59 p.m.
On Wed, 2008-04-09 at 12:41 +0000, Paul W. Frields wrote:
On Wed, 2008-04-09 at 15:34 +1000, Michelle Kim wrote:
> Paul W. Frields 쓴 글:
> >
> > I'm open to changing the date, no problem. The folks in Red Hat BNE who
> > need to be involved should let us know here if that's a problem for
> > them. So, a new primary meet time could be:
> >
> > Saturday, 10 May 2008, 0100 UTC/1100 Brisbane
> > = Friday, 09 May 2008, 2100 EDT/1800 PDT
> >
> > Anyone?
> >
> Folks in Brisbane told me that they can't make it during the day on Saturday and
I understand nobody wants to be working on the weekend.
> Can we make it on Weekdays instead? Friday 11am would be better than Saturday 11am.
I am fine with a Friday (BNE)/Thursday (US) time.
I guess we'll go for whatever gets the most essential people here. I'd
suggest Sunday/Monday, since so many of the US and EMEA based Docs folks
have been kind enough to meet on Sundays before, but that leaves out the
folks in APAC who cannot meet during 9-to-5 work hours. (Sorry
Marc :( )
As I said before, I can do Thursday as long as it is late enough in the
day Pacific Time.
- Karsten
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7:10 p.m.
are we still having the docs toolchain IRC meeting as we discussed?
It seems finding the good time for everyone can be a challenge, and now
we have publican-list set up, it might be easier to discuss things on
the mailing list.
But if anyone prefer having a regular IRC chat to discuss docs toolchain
and publican, I am all up for helding weekly or bi weekly IRC meeting.
Please let me know.
Cheers
Michelle
Paul W. Frields 쓴 글:
On Wed, 2008-04-09 at 15:34 +1000, Michelle Kim wrote:
> Paul W. Frields 쓴 글:
>
>> I'm open to changing the date, no problem. The folks in Red Hat BNE who
>> need to be involved should let us know here if that's a problem for
>> them. So, a new primary meet time could be:
>>
>> Saturday, 10 May 2008, 0100 UTC/1100 Brisbane
>> = Friday, 09 May 2008, 2100 EDT/1800 PDT
>>
>> Anyone?
>>
>>
> Folks in Brisbane told me that they can't make it during the day on Saturday and
I understand nobody wants to be working on the weekend.
> Can we make it on Weekdays instead? Friday 11am would be better than Saturday 11am.
>
I am fine with a Friday (BNE)/Thursday (US) time. I don't think this is
really an "average docs user" conference, because we're going to be
talking about how the Makefile internals work and what technical issues
need to be resolved to integrate Publican into our Docs toolchain (along
with l10n issues). People who aren't experienced in how all that works
will probably glean just as much from the logs, which of course we can
post here per usual.
That's just my opinion... suggestions?
6:40 a.m.
On Fri, 2008-05-09 at 10:10 +1000, Michelle Kim wrote:
are we still having the docs toolchain IRC meeting as we discussed?
It seems finding the good time for everyone can be a challenge, and
now we have publican-list set up, it might be easier to discuss things
on the mailing list.
But if anyone prefer having a regular IRC chat to discuss docs
toolchain and publican, I am all up for helding weekly or bi weekly
IRC meeting. Please let me know.
Michelle, I'm sorry about the scheduling -- with the F9 release slipping
until Tuesday 13-May, I completely forgot to slip this meeting. I think
the idea was to look at the Docs Project toolchain with the following
goals in mind:
1. Fix lingering problems
2. Make enhancements for usability
3. Integrate publican
4. Other?
Let's see if we can reschedule this for:
Friday 23 May 0100 UTC / 11:00 Brisbane
= Thursday 22 May 9:00pm US/Eastern / 6:00pm US/Pacific
(I would have taken the 16th/15th, but I seem to have a prior engagement
then.)
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