I will now introduce myself, starting with what I have worked on in the past.
A while ago I worked on what I called The Linux Terminal Guide, an online blog with some helpful How-To articles. One day I hoped to compile a bunch of Man pages, but I realized that would not reach out to very many people. I hope to help more people by writing How To articles for Fedora Docs. I do not know what my skills would best be classified as but I do know how to use the command line VERY well, i.e. I never really use the graphical package manager. I guess you could say I know-my-way around Fedora as I have "hacked" it, an example being that I as I write I am using Wmii with Gnome-Panel. I do know how to use Web Servers and Administer web-sites. On the side I like chatting with my friends and helping my mom with her Fedora-enabled computer.
So what makes me an excellent match for the project? I feel that Fedora is rather lacking some docs, and I want to help! I have rather good writing skills and I know how to do a fair amount in Fedora. I look forward to working on some Docs!
As requested here is the output of gpg --fingerprint <yourKEYIDhere>: [joseph@localhost ~]$ gpg --fingerprint 60A37A5D pub 1024D/60A37A5D 2009-12-19 Key fingerprint = 43EF DBB9 8299 73F6 1689 7206 091A D1B9 60A3 7A5D uid Joseph Allen bloggersciencewithjoe@gmail.com sub 2048g/4D7523E1 2009-12-19
On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 3:08 AM, Joseph Allen bloggersciencewithjoe@gmail.com wrote:
I will now introduce myself, starting with what I have worked on in the past.
A while ago I worked on what I called The Linux Terminal Guide, an online blog with some helpful How-To articles. One day I hoped to compile a bunch of Man pages, but I realized that would not reach out to very many people. I hope to help more people by writing How To articles for Fedora Docs. I do not know what my skills would best be classified as but I do know how to use the command line VERY well, i.e. I never really use the graphical package manager. I guess you could say I know-my-way around Fedora as I have "hacked" it, an example being that I as I write I am using Wmii with Gnome-Panel. I do know how to use Web Servers and Administer web-sites. On the side I like chatting with my friends and helping my mom with her Fedora-enabled computer.
So what makes me an excellent match for the project? I feel that Fedora is rather lacking some docs, and I want to help! I have rather good writing skills and I know how to do a fair amount in Fedora. I look forward to working on some Docs!
As requested here is the output of gpg --fingerprint <yourKEYIDhere>: [joseph@localhost ~]$ gpg --fingerprint 60A37A5D pub 1024D/60A37A5D 2009-12-19 Key fingerprint = 43EF DBB9 8299 73F6 1689 7206 091A D1B9 60A3 7A5D uid Joseph Allen bloggersciencewithjoe@gmail.com sub 2048g/4D7523E1 2009-12-19
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Hi Joseph,
glad to see someone more willing to work on CLI stuff. Me and my students have been working on CLI guide for past few weeks, and I will be able to release it by the end of the week (as I have to write some parts yet). If you want to work on it further and add knowledge of your experience to it, that would be awesome.
As for the scope, it's somewhat similar to Mandriva CLI Reference [1], but it's expanded in areas where I saw it lacking. I hope that you can help extend it even further.
Regards,
Yes, I hope to begin working on more CLI things. A comprehensive guide seems to be what Fedora's missing. I was able to learn due to the fact that I began with computers when I was really young. My first dose of Linux was not very good, the first time I tried to install I accidentally installed Ubuntu on a USB Pen drive, but installed the MBR on my HD. It was rather annoying due to the fact I had a modem connection at the time and Linux does not (and I don't think it will ever) support my modem. So I didn't even use it but I was forced to insert the USB drive into my computer at boot up. Eventually I installed Fedora 10 onto my computer because Ubuntu didn't support my WiFi at the time (Ubuntu still doesn't like my computer; neither does Apt-Get). I immediately noticed the lack of almost any non-application specific help files that weren't online. But I got through it. And, after all, I hope to write a CLI guide extensive enough in some common-areas (like the ones that I had to go through) to "guide" a user through common uses like compiling kernel modules, maybe installing a Nvidia driver (or did they fix that it Fedora 12? I haven't had a blank Cd-r to install it with), etc.
2009/12/20 Vedran Miletić rivanvx@gmail.com
On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 3:08 AM, Joseph Allen bloggersciencewithjoe@gmail.com wrote:
I will now introduce myself, starting with what I have worked on in the past.
A while ago I worked on what I called The Linux Terminal Guide, an online blog with some helpful How-To articles. One day I hoped to compile a
bunch
of Man pages, but I realized that would not reach out to very many
people. I
hope to help more people by writing How To articles for Fedora Docs. I do not know what my skills would best be classified as but I do know how to
use
the command line VERY well, i.e. I never really use the graphical package manager. I guess you could say I know-my-way around Fedora as I have "hacked" it, an example being that I as I write I am using Wmii with Gnome-Panel. I do know how to use Web Servers and Administer web-sites.
On
the side I like chatting with my friends and helping my mom with her Fedora-enabled computer.
So what makes me an excellent match for the project? I feel that Fedora
is
rather lacking some docs, and I want to help! I have rather good writing skills and I know how to do a fair amount in Fedora. I look forward to working on some Docs!
As requested here is the output of gpg --fingerprint <yourKEYIDhere>: [joseph@localhost ~]$ gpg --fingerprint 60A37A5D pub 1024D/60A37A5D 2009-12-19 Key fingerprint = 43EF DBB9 8299 73F6 1689 7206 091A D1B9 60A3
7A5D
uid Joseph Allen bloggersciencewithjoe@gmail.com sub 2048g/4D7523E1 2009-12-19
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Hi Joseph,
glad to see someone more willing to work on CLI stuff. Me and my students have been working on CLI guide for past few weeks, and I will be able to release it by the end of the week (as I have to write some parts yet). If you want to work on it further and add knowledge of your experience to it, that would be awesome.
As for the scope, it's somewhat similar to Mandriva CLI Reference [1], but it's expanded in areas where I saw it lacking. I hope that you can help extend it even further.
Regards,
-- Vedran Miletić
[1] http://doc.mandrivalinux.com/MandrivaLinux/101/en/Command-Line.pdf
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On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 3:43 PM, Joseph Allen bloggersciencewithjoe@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, I hope to begin working on more CLI things. A comprehensive guide seems to be what Fedora's missing.
True. There was an attempt to create such documentation at some point, but JamesMcElhannon eventually left it unfinished. I took off where he stopped, expanded it, and made it fit what I teach in our Operating systems laboratory (and perhaps a bit more).
And, after all, I hope to write a CLI guide extensive enough in some common-areas (like the ones that I had to go through) to "guide" a user through common uses like compiling kernel modules, maybe installing a Nvidia driver (or did they fix that it Fedora 12? I haven't had a blank Cd-r to install it with), etc.
That's great. Just give me a couple of days to get drafts online, so you can continue from that. Gotta love collaboration :-)
Regards,
Ok. Thanks for the info!
2009/12/20 Vedran Miletić rivanvx@gmail.com
On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 3:43 PM, Joseph Allen bloggersciencewithjoe@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, I hope to begin working on more CLI things. A comprehensive guide
seems
to be what Fedora's missing.
True. There was an attempt to create such documentation at some point, but JamesMcElhannon eventually left it unfinished. I took off where he stopped, expanded it, and made it fit what I teach in our Operating systems laboratory (and perhaps a bit more).
And, after all, I hope to write a CLI guide extensive enough in some common-areas (like the ones
that
I had to go through) to "guide" a user through common uses like compiling kernel modules, maybe installing a Nvidia driver (or did they fix that it Fedora 12? I haven't had a blank Cd-r to install it with), etc.
That's great. Just give me a couple of days to get drafts online, so you can continue from that. Gotta love collaboration :-)
Regards,
-- Vedran Miletić
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On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Joseph Allen wrote:
I had to go through) to "guide" a user through common uses like compiling kernel modules, maybe installing a Nvidia driver (or did they fix that it Fedora 12? I haven't had a blank Cd-r to install it with), etc.
Just a comment - and perhaps it is a philosophical one. Personally I don't think documentation on installing Nvidia drivers is appropriate for Fedora. One of Fedora' core beliefs is Freedom, and the Nvidia binary blob kernel driver is certainly non-free. In addition, you'd be documenting software that we don't provide, and have no control over.
The Fedora Project's mission is: The Fedora Project's mission is to lead the advancement of free and open source software and content as a collaborative community. (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Overview#Our_Mission)
I don't think we advance free software by providing assistance for, and thus give our tacit approval for non-free software. It even further is a bad idea when we've essentially said we won't provide support for people using the binary blob driver to then lead them down the path of using something we won't support. Add to that the fact that kernel developers will not support any tained kernels, and that they claim that it's both undesirable and harmful to the future of Linux and free software: https://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/publications/kernel-driver-state...
In light of all of that, I don't see how Fedora can ship documentation that contains content on installing nvidia binary drivers. (Especially when we are working so hard on the Nouveau front)
That said, please don't let this discourage you, we are excited for you to jump in, but take this into consideration as you proceed.
Oh well yes, I meant the Nouveau driver. The non free one I hate badly due to the fact that it broke my mom's computer when she did a kernel update (although she could have done a hard reboot during a kernel update... She doesn't seem to get that doing such things cause bad errors). She has to boot into a older kernel version just to start X! But yes, I would not give a guide to that wretched piece of software after what it did to her computer. I just know that there has to be something to help people who have Nvidia graphics cards. When I first installed Fedora 11 on my mom's computer the goal was to improve Flash (which skipped and sometimes wouldn't play on MS Vista). But after installation the refresh rate on screen was once every second. So I was just pointing out that unless they fixed that in Fedora 12 there needs to be a guide to getting Nvidia to work. Otherwise some people will just not use Fedora due to the fact that a low refresh rate and VGA resolution won't make them very happy.
On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 11:05 AM, David Nalley < david.nalley@fedoraproject.org> wrote:
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I had to go through) to "guide" a user through common uses like compiling kernel modules, maybe installing a Nvidia driver (or did they fix that it Fedora 12? I haven't had a blank Cd-r to install it with), etc.
Just a comment - and perhaps it is a philosophical one. Personally I don't think documentation on installing Nvidia drivers is appropriate for Fedora. One of Fedora' core beliefs is Freedom, and the Nvidia binary blob kernel driver is certainly non-free. In addition, you'd be documenting software that we don't provide, and have no control over.
The Fedora Project's mission is: The Fedora Project's mission is to lead the advancement of free and open source software and content as a collaborative community. (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Overview#Our_Mission)
I don't think we advance free software by providing assistance for, and thus give our tacit approval for non-free software. It even further is a bad idea when we've essentially said we won't provide support for people using the binary blob driver to then lead them down the path of using something we won't support. Add to that the fact that kernel developers will not support any tained kernels, and that they claim that it's both undesirable and harmful to the future of Linux and free software:
https://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/publications/kernel-driver-state...
In light of all of that, I don't see how Fedora can ship documentation that contains content on installing nvidia binary drivers. (Especially when we are working so hard on the Nouveau front)
That said, please don't let this discourage you, we are excited for you to jump in, but take this into consideration as you proceed.
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On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Joseph Allen wrote:
Oh well yes, I meant the Nouveau driver. The non free one I hate badly due to the fact that it broke my mom's computer when she did a kernel update (although she could have done a hard reboot during a kernel update... She doesn't seem to get that doing such things cause bad errors). She has to boot into a older kernel version just to start X! But yes, I would not give a guide to that wretched piece of software after what it did to her computer. I just know that there has to be something to help people who have Nvidia graphics cards. When I first installed Fedora 11 on my mom's computer the goal was to improve Flash (which skipped and sometimes wouldn't play on MS Vista). But after installation the refresh rate on screen was once every second. So I was just pointing out that unless they fixed that in Fedora 12 there needs to be a guide to getting Nvidia to work. Otherwise some people will just not use Fedora due to the fact that a low refresh rate and VGA resolution won't make them very happy
Ahh cool. I apologize for my rant then. Honestly at this point it should 'just work', and if it doesn't it deserves filing a bug. Nouveau became the default Nvidia driver in Fedora 11, and has made tons of progress since then.
It is ok. I do realize that I made no comment on whether I was referring to the Nvidia Binary non-open source drivers or one of the open-source alternatives. I really DO need to find a blank cd-r... or find my DVD-RW writer. I really want to use Fedora 12, mainly due to the fact it supports multiple pointers on-screen (last I heard). Is there a guide on setting up thin-clients with Fedora? That is something that I would either like to use or make, if it didn't exist already. I have several old computer lying around the house and whenever a friend comes over it would be nice to be able to set up a X Thin Client.
On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 12:02 PM, David Nalley < david.nalley@fedoraproject.org> wrote:
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On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Joseph Allen wrote:
Oh well yes, I meant the Nouveau driver. The non free one I hate badly
due
to the fact that it broke my mom's computer when she did a kernel update (although she could have done a hard reboot during a kernel update... She doesn't seem to get that doing such things cause bad errors). She has to boot into a older kernel version just to start X! But yes, I would not
give
a guide to that wretched piece of software after what it did to her computer. I just know that there has to be something to help people who
have
Nvidia graphics cards. When I first installed Fedora 11 on my mom's
computer
the goal was to improve Flash (which skipped and sometimes wouldn't play
on
MS Vista). But after installation the refresh rate on screen was once
every
second. So I was just pointing out that unless they fixed that in Fedora
12
there needs to be a guide to getting Nvidia to work. Otherwise some
people
will just not use Fedora due to the fact that a low refresh rate and VGA resolution won't make them very happy
Ahh cool. I apologize for my rant then. Honestly at this point it should 'just work', and if it doesn't it deserves filing a bug. Nouveau became the default Nvidia driver in Fedora 11, and has made tons of progress since then. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Use GnuPG with Firefox : http://getfiregpg.org (Version: 0.7.10)
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On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 2:45 PM, Joseph Allen wrote:
It is ok. I do realize that I made no comment on whether I was referring to the Nvidia Binary non-open source drivers or one of the open-source alternatives. I really DO need to find a blank cd-r... or find my DVD-RW writer. I really want to use Fedora 12, mainly due to the fact it supports multiple pointers on-screen (last I heard). Is there a guide on setting up thin-clients with Fedora? That is something that I would either like to use or make, if it didn't exist already. I have several old computer lying around the house and whenever a friend comes over it would be nice to be able to set up a X Thin Client.
There might be some documentation from the K12LTSP group, but I don't think there is any Fedora documentation on the matter. You may want to talk to the guys working on LTSP I am sure they would love for us to pick up the documentation.
There might be some documentation from the K12LTSP group, but I don't think there is any Fedora documentation on the matter. You may want to talk to the guys working on LTSP I am sure they would love for us to pick up the documentation.
https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12ltsp-list
--Mel
Ah thank you. I shall go and ask on the list. I have found some rather old docs (titled for Fedora 10 (and higher)) that describe installing it on a Fedora system. Shall try it ASAP. And if anyone is interested in that doc, link is https://fedorahosted.org/k12linux/wiki/InstallGuide
On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Mel Chua mel@redhat.com wrote:
There might be some documentation from the K12LTSP group, but I don't
think there is any Fedora documentation on the matter. You may want to talk to the guys working on LTSP I am sure they would love for us to pick up the documentation.
https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12ltsp-list
--Mel
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On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 9:08 PM, Joseph Allen wrote:
I will now introduce myself, starting with what I have worked on in the past.
A while ago I worked on what I called The Linux Terminal Guide, an online blog with some helpful How-To articles. One day I hoped to compile a bunch of Man pages, but I realized that would not reach out to very many people. I hope to help more people by writing How To articles for Fedora Docs. I do not know what my skills would best be classified as but I do know how to use the command line VERY well, i.e. I never really use the graphical package manager. I guess you could say I know-my-way around Fedora as I have "hacked" it, an example being that I as I write I am using Wmii with Gnome-Panel. I do know how to use Web Servers and Administer web-sites. On the side I like chatting with my friends and helping my mom with her Fedora-enabled computer.
So what makes me an excellent match for the project? I feel that Fedora is rather lacking some docs, and I want to help! I have rather good writing skills and I know how to do a fair amount in Fedora. I look forward to working on some Docs!
As requested here is the output of gpg --fingerprint : [joseph@localhost ~]$ gpg --fingerprint 60A37A5D pub 1024D/60A37A5D 2009-12-19 Key fingerprint = 43EF DBB9 8299 73F6 1689 7206 091A D1B9 60A3 7A5D uid Joseph Allen sub 2048g/4D7523E1 2009-12-19
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Hi Joseph:
Welcome - We meet on Wednesday's in irc you can find details here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_Steering_Committee_meetings
Most of our formal guides are written in DocBook XML and we use Publican to publish. You may want to take a gander at something already written: The below line will get you a copy of the install-guide git clone git://git.fedorahosted.org/git/docs/install-guide.git
We also work off the wiki a good bit, and are in large part the wiki gardeners.
Feel free to jump in and start working. If you see a document you want to work in, just ask on list, the document lead will likely pipe up and you can move from there.