On Thu, 2007-09-06 at 12:11:27 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: For the benefit of any readers here who are not also subscribed to the page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts I found that even after being added to the DocWritersGroup, my attempt to edit was still rewarded with: You are not allowed to edit this page. So after a bit of investigation, I found an explanation and posted it on that page as: Everything in this section is editable by users in the EditGroup, once you allow your web browser to accept cookies from fedoraproject.org. in place of the previous "... editable by the DocWritersGroup." Karsten Wade subsequently commented: The cookies are a global requirement for the entire Wiki. as he made the explanation more concise by removing any mention of the cookie. Well, an even better way to help users would be to improve the error message so that it informs one: You are not allowed to edit this page, or you need to accept a cookie from this site so that your editing privilege is recognized. But it appears this error message arises from the heart of MoinMoin in /moin-1.5.8/MoinMoin/PageEditor.py where the logic does not separate the case of concern here from others where the appropriate error messages might resemble: You are not allowed to edit this page, or you need to login to this site so that your editing privilege is recognized. You are not allowed to edit this page, or you need to create an account at this site so that you can login and seek editing privileges. Since these changes could not be made in a fedoraproject.org specific configuration file, and are somewhat non-trivial to ask of MoinMoin, I suspect we should accept this catch-all error message as immutable. So, I invite you to point out where we document the need to allow a cookie from fedoraproject.org to be set? Using the Search box for "cookie" in any Text finds nothing more pertinent than the indirect implication a careful reader might find at the bottom of their UserPreferences page. But a user who is not a CookieMonster may read this and think "What cookie?" because their browser is not configured to accept cookies in general. I've learned this lesson for the second time in several months (and have a reminder that may assist my memory the next time my browser configuration is mistakenly trashed). We do not care about the frustration this lack of documentation causes for all first-time members of the EditGroup who are not also CookieMonsters? If Paul or anyone else has a moment to demote me so that I am no longer a member of the DocWritersGroup that would allow me to be certain that the theory behind the current statement ("editable by all users in the EditGroup") is indeed accurate. Cheers, Nelson