A donation model for just the FEL programs should be set up. Under one umbrella Fedora can use its influence to merge these scattered programs. Right now we can concentrate on just one distribution (Fedora). The moment we go to open electronics lab we have to now support Debian, Slackware, Gentoo and everything in between. The project will become too big to handle. For open electronics lab to work you will have to narrow down your support to just a handfull of distros and let other derivative distros follow the lead. On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 5:52 AM, John Rizzo <johnrizzo1(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 2:52 AM, John Rizzo < wrote: Hello John, Actually I think the use of the word "Fedora" here confused you :) We are actually "Open" Electronic Lab. We work with upstream and will support any distribution which wishes to do something similar to our roadmap. For example, we (FEL team) support CentOS-5, RHEL-5 and Scientific-Linux-5 with the EPEL repository. I know Aanjhaan was packaging EDA software under the FEL umbrella for Ubuntu. I don't know what its status is. However the only limitation is "time". We are all community contributors. For on my behalf, I focus on making my time useful for others and getting the job done. But building this "open" electronic lab is more than packaging, let me explain. The use of "Fedora" in Fedora Electronic Lab is only to give this "Open" Electronic Lab, all the existing Fedora infrastructures: * marketing ( spreading livedvd during events paid under Fedora budget, sponsoring contributors to give talks about this "open" electronic lab around the world, again paid under Fedora budget) * Ambassadors : getting more people talk about opensource EDA in their own languages * build system and mirror * package reviews and guidelines ( make it very easy to get new packagers, through proper sponsoring and guidelines - do not let the package rot during long package reviews --- very time consuming) * help from other fedora/redhat developers * Test and QA engineers and many test days organized. see Fedora-Test mailing list for these test days * hosting facilities (again, paid under Fedora budget) * legal advice from redhat lawyers concerning licenses. - free for us * artwork and web designers * regular security assessments from FESCo members Hence contributors like me and Shakthi can focus only about electronic related packages and providing a final "product" (livedvd) to the user, and communicate with the rest of the fedora community for any help in the above list. Since FEL is a spin of fedora with fedora branding, it gets tagged with "Fedora". In order to push the status of this "open" Electronic Lab from geek to a more professional environment, so that small businesses can embrace open source software, we need an official endorsement. But it is not all, we(the opensource community) needs to advocate the use of "open" formats, which also helps interoperability in terms of data exchange. Hence in order to get heard by the corporate world ( most of the time, discussing with fedora/redhat Legal), we need a name and clear endorsement so that corporate entities can trust and listen to us with the proper respect. That said, we started everything from scratch back during F-7 development cycle, little by little based on our experience, we have developed, put in place several infrastructure and got several contacts. On the other hand, why contributors can benefit from their contributions to Fedora? RedHat Enterprise Linux is an EDA Consortium compatible linux distribution. http://www.edac.org/industry_roadmap.jsp Hence if a fel contributor is searching for a job, he/she can make full use of this status during their job interviews. Our contributions to the opensource community can easily be proliferate into systems dedicated for education and small businesses. This also helps our upstream developers a lot since their software are being employed into production environment and perhaps get more patches and contributors. On top of all these, FEL remains an "open" electronic lab, but with a clear roadmap to promote opensource * EDA software * EDA developers * hardware communities, eg openmoko * EDA data formats ... I would really want another distribution to pick up with similar goals (but not only simple packaging), so that the whole opensource eco system can drive forward more quickly. For this "open" electronic lab we have at Fedora, we currently have a LOT of work to do. One of the items I really want to push forward are submission of papers (concerning opensource eda sofware, of course) for IEEE events, interoperability forums, .... This I believe will give value to our upstream developers and opensource software overall. If you are looking forward to provide a similar platform for another distribution from scratch, you are welcome to do so and we will be very happy to exchange patches and inform you about certain critical paths. If you want to join us to continuously push forward, based on the existing fedora' EDA platform and infrastruture, we will be very happy to provide you with any developer credentials you may need. All our FEL developers(even me) have the same credentials. I hope I was able to answer you. Cheers, Chitlesh Goorah PS: I secretly want more leaders behind FEL. -- Chitlesh GOORAH Fedora Electronic Lab Architect http://chitlesh.fedorapeople.org/FEL