Re: Completely OT: Remove disttag from EPEL and Fedora ... (was: Dropping the repotag)
On Tue, 20 Mar 2007, Michael Schwendt wrote:
On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:32:08 +0100, Axel Thimm wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 12:41:51AM +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote:
> > On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 23:54:21 +0100, Axel Thimm wrote:
> > > %dist bad? How come?
> >
> > It has been beaten to death in past discussions with several
> > real-world examples.
>
> The *real-world* examples are half of Fedora and the sum of all 3rd
> party repos comprising several thousand packages outweighing by far
> the packages that still resit to disttags. So please no academic
> examples, disttags have proven extremely useful no matter what you try
> to imply.
Your reply to an old message, that has taken many hours to be delivered,
shows that it is not just me who keeps making this thread longer.
Because %dist tags are not undisputed, they have not been made mandatory.
They may be helpful for mass-updates to multiple distribution targets
(a pitfall for some packagers, unfortunately).
But they don't solve anything beyond that. They create problems for the
average non-freak packager, e.g. when tagging package releases and having
to fix something afterwards.
And they do not solve the dist-upgrade path problem, because %release
is less significant than %version. This is a known thing for many years,
even before %dist tags were invented as a form of package branding.
It doesn't fix the world food problem either.
This is a known thing for many years as well.
Let's drop the dist tag and the repo tag !
That won't fix the world food problem either, but hey, it's an argument
like any other.
Let's kill the discussion with bogus arguments so normal people don't
understand anything anymore and get sick of the thread and the topic as
well.
I've seen the tactic before. The majority of my users think a repotag and
disttag is useful. I think you're the only one denying the use of both.
Others at least accept it does fix something. Whether they believe it is a
real issue is something else.
Fact is, I will stop using a repotag since EPEL is not coming to a
conclusion and I think it never will. This is going nowhere.
PS One of the reasons blocking me from joining EPEL is exactly discussions
like this. It burned me out during the initial Fedora Extras discussions
as well. And it drove me from the Fedora mailinglists. And you (and
Jeff) were directly responsible for that. I just don't have the time to
read or reply to discussions like this with you.
So whatever you blame Axel for...
Kind regards,
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