Hello list,

I'm a new comer to the Red Hat world. I have been using Debian and derivatives for many years, but for the past 3 months I have been working on a 100% Fedora shop. So I still consider myself an outsider, even though I suppose that I can improve the conversation about EPEL's future.

In a nutshell, this shop have been using Red Hat since forever. When RH decided to start focusing on the enterprise, Fedora was the logical choice at the time. The six months release cycle, the extremely bleeding edge approach (they told me that up to Fedora Core 6 things did not use to brake between releases) and the small 1 year of updates/security support made the administration and management of servers and desktops almost impractical. Fedora Legacy was gone too.

The general consensus was: we need a stable OS, long term security support (at least 2,5 to 3 years) with good and vast packaging availability.

Options that were being considered: 1) Debian 2) RHEL 3) CentOS

Well, unfortunately Debian was a no go due to the strong RH culture (as I said, RH users since forever) even fulfilling the requirements. Paying for RHEL ended up not being an option too. So our best option is CentOS. I think I don't have to introduce CentOS here.

Right now the only complaint we have is the small number (I personally consider a huge lack) of packages available on the default repositories. I was shocked that there is no apcupsd package on the default CentOS.

Then we have found many stuff that we need in EPEL, some of them are not the latest version, but they are not too outdated to become useless to us.

So here is my idea:

Follow the RHEL release cycle.

Freeze EPEL. Update packages to fix important/security bugs. No major version.

During this freeze, work on the unstable branch, upgrading those packages that really need a re-base due to many reasons already discussed on the other thread, small version upgrades when possible. New packages. Just do what RH does.

New RHEL released. Push the new stuff to EPEL 'current' and make a release note about it, reporting packages that have been removed, upgraded, changed behavior, etc. Then the cycle begins again.

I call this a "semi-distribution" release or something like that.

I really see this as a win-win situation: - Changes are predicted and almost at the same time of a major release. - There is room for upgrades and they can be tested. Open a window for accepting new stuff then close it. - You have a test server, upgrade to 5.3 following the packages from EPEL. Everything OK? Then go to the production servers and just relax for the next 6 months since every single repository is NOT going to put a new version of any package.

And seriously, IMHO there is NO WAY to keep EPEL up to Fedora or to every upstream package.

What do you think?

Miguel