Thanks to everyone who attended this afternoon's workshop, we have some really good notes about how to get started on a road to better software for next Flock.
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Flock_2016_software
The wiki page needs a bit of cleanup (just simple formatting) but it suffices for now if you missed the session and are interested in helping. I'll schedule a followup 2 weeks out on IRC so we can work out additional next steps. Any updates are welcome in the meantime to this list!
On 15 August 2015 at 02:08, Paul W. Frields stickster@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks to everyone who attended this afternoon's workshop, we have some really good notes about how to get started on a road to better software for next Flock.
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Flock_2016_software
The wiki page needs a bit of cleanup (just simple formatting) but it suffices for now if you missed the session and are interested in helping. I'll schedule a followup 2 weeks out on IRC so we can work out additional next steps. Any updates are welcome in the meantime to this list!
We used Drupal COD for fudcon.in and I can testify that it is a pain to set up and maintain. What's worse is upgrading it and that's important since we'd want to build a system that we maintain for some years.
It would really be great if this was thought about and eventually hosted as a generic event management system for FUDCon and Flock than just "software for Flock". The difference between Flock and FUDCon seems mostly to be scale and focus and neither of those factors have anything to do with the event management software. If it is just the matter of getting input from current and past FUDCon organizers then I'm sure we can solve that.
Siddhesh
Hi,
IMHO, really would be great to combine the current event handling with our existing subsystems, such as FedoCal, and ticketing and more - and if we can set with proper rights - we can support not only flock and fudcons else all other events that happening in the world. The great thing in open source is that possibly "someone had already did it".
If you look around, I suggest to talk with Mozilla, and ask help for customize, and integration of their event handling system for us that they have already solved, and working well.
If you are interested, check these links:
https://reps.mozilla.org/events/#/period/future/ https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/contribute/events/
Base of their code: https://source.opennews.org/en-US/articles/tags/events/
...also if I good remember, currently the our "Hub" project is trying to gather from different places informations and show in a hub.
The events IMHO can be an hub?
Zoltan
2015-08-15 6:24 GMT+02:00 Siddhesh Poyarekar siddhesh.poyarekar@gmail.com:
On 15 August 2015 at 02:08, Paul W. Frields stickster@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks to everyone who attended this afternoon's workshop, we have some really good notes about how to get started on a road to better software for next Flock.
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Flock_2016_software
The wiki page needs a bit of cleanup (just simple formatting) but it suffices for now if you missed the session and are interested in helping. I'll schedule a followup 2 weeks out on IRC so we can work out additional next steps. Any updates are welcome in the meantime to this list!
We used Drupal COD for fudcon.in and I can testify that it is a pain to set up and maintain. What's worse is upgrading it and that's important since we'd want to build a system that we maintain for some years.
It would really be great if this was thought about and eventually hosted as a generic event management system for FUDCon and Flock than just "software for Flock". The difference between Flock and FUDCon seems mostly to be scale and focus and neither of those factors have anything to do with the event management software. If it is just the matter of getting input from current and past FUDCon organizers then I'm sure we can solve that.
Siddhesh
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On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 01:24:18PM +0200, Zoltan Hoppar wrote:
Hi,
IMHO, really would be great to combine the current event handling with our existing subsystems, such as FedoCal, and ticketing and more - and if we can set with proper rights - we can support not only flock and fudcons else all other events that happening in the world. The great thing in open source is that possibly "someone had already did it".
If you look around, I suggest to talk with Mozilla, and ask help for customize, and integration of their event handling system for us that they have already solved, and working well.
If you are interested, check these links:
https://reps.mozilla.org/events/#/period/future/ https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/contribute/events/
Base of their code: https://source.opennews.org/en-US/articles/tags/events/
...also if I good remember, currently the our "Hub" project is trying to gather from different places informations and show in a hub.
The events IMHO can be an hub?
While I'm not opposed to this, given our usual resource constraints we are not trying to solve every problem. Let's start with solving the highest priority problems that are laid out on the page. Increasing the number of requirements only decreases the chances that we can get to the finish line. :-)
Few more links that helps:
CivOmega: Project allowing people to ask questions of legislative data and was recently awarded a Sunlight Foundation OpenGov Grant. HackDash: A tool for organizing hackathon projects originally developed at the 2012 Hacks/Hackers Buenos Aires Media Party. NewsDiffs: Tool for tracking and archiving changes to articles on five major news sites. Treasury.io: Tool developed by the CSV Soundsystem hacker team, which includes 2013 Knight-Mozilla Fellow Brian Abelson, to help track the US government's virtual checkbook. Sheetsee.js: Easy data visualizations using a simple spreadsheet backend. Dedupe: A library for deduplication, entity resolution, record linkage, and author disambiguation of big datasets. California Election Parser: A parser for election data used by over 200 California news sites in 2012.
2015-08-15 6:24 GMT+02:00 Siddhesh Poyarekar siddhesh.poyarekar@gmail.com:
On 15 August 2015 at 02:08, Paul W. Frields stickster@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks to everyone who attended this afternoon's workshop, we have some really good notes about how to get started on a road to better software for next Flock.
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Flock_2016_software
The wiki page needs a bit of cleanup (just simple formatting) but it suffices for now if you missed the session and are interested in helping. I'll schedule a followup 2 weeks out on IRC so we can work out additional next steps. Any updates are welcome in the meantime to this list!
We used Drupal COD for fudcon.in and I can testify that it is a pain to set up and maintain. What's worse is upgrading it and that's important since we'd want to build a system that we maintain for some years.
It would really be great if this was thought about and eventually hosted as a generic event management system for FUDCon and Flock than just "software for Flock". The difference between Flock and FUDCon seems mostly to be scale and focus and neither of those factors have anything to do with the event management software. If it is just the matter of getting input from current and past FUDCon organizers then I'm sure we can solve that.
Siddhesh
http://siddhesh.in _______________________________________________ flock-planning mailing list flock-planning@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/flock-planning
There is an effort lead by Eduardo Echevemaster (echevemaster) to build a FUDCon tool that should be ready by FUDCon Cordoba 2015.
The software is located at: https://github.com/echevemaster/fudcon
When I asked about, people working on this said that they may want to get something usable for FUDCon but at FUDCon make a hackathon to integrate features and request to see if this can be the fedora premier event tool.
How can I point this group to the results for the next generation tool for premier events (Flock, FUDCcon and maybe even FAD) ?
Neville
On Sat, 2015-08-15 at 13:28 +0200, Zoltan Hoppar wrote:
Few more links that helps:
CivOmega: Project allowing people to ask questions of legislative data and was recently awarded a Sunlight Foundation OpenGov Grant. HackDash: A tool for organizing hackathon projects originally developed at the 2012 Hacks/Hackers Buenos Aires Media Party. NewsDiffs: Tool for tracking and archiving changes to articles on five major news sites. Treasury.io: Tool developed by the CSV Soundsystem hacker team, which includes 2013 Knight-Mozilla Fellow Brian Abelson, to help track the US government's virtual checkbook. Sheetsee.js: Easy data visualizations using a simple spreadsheet backend. Dedupe: A library for deduplication, entity resolution, record linkage, and author disambiguation of big datasets. California Election Parser: A parser for election data used by over 200 California news sites in 2012.
2015-08-15 6:24 GMT+02:00 Siddhesh Poyarekar < siddhesh.poyarekar@gmail.com>:
On 15 August 2015 at 02:08, Paul W. Frields stickster@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks to everyone who attended this afternoon's workshop, we have some really good notes about how to get started on a road to better software for next Flock.
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Flock_2016_software
The wiki page needs a bit of cleanup (just simple formatting) but it suffices for now if you missed the session and are interested in helping. I'll schedule a followup 2 weeks out on IRC so we can work out additional next steps. Any updates are welcome in the meantime to this list!
We used Drupal COD for fudcon.in and I can testify that it is a pain to set up and maintain. What's worse is upgrading it and that's important since we'd want to build a system that we maintain for some years.
It would really be great if this was thought about and eventually hosted as a generic event management system for FUDCon and Flock than just "software for Flock". The difference between Flock and FUDCon seems mostly to be scale and focus and neither of those factors have anything to do with the event management software. If it is just the matter of getting input from current and past FUDCon organizers then I'm sure we can solve that.
Siddhesh
http://siddhesh.in _______________________________________________ flock-planning mailing list flock-planning@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/flock-planning
On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 10:50:09AM -0400, Neville A. Cross wrote:
There is an effort lead by Eduardo Echevemaster (echevemaster) to build a FUDCon tool that should be ready by FUDCon Cordoba 2015.
The software is located at: https://github.com/echevemaster/fudcon
When I asked about, people working on this said that they may want to get something usable for FUDCon but at FUDCon make a hackathon to integrate features and request to see if this can be the fedora premier event tool.
How can I point this group to the results for the next generation tool for premier events (Flock, FUDCcon and maybe even FAD) ?
Have them review the wiki page, and join and/or watch this list for updates. While I don't think it's a great idea to invent our own software with multiple other upstreams already available, I don't want to interfere with the Cordoba team's efforts. Their event is quite close and I'm not confident we can finish with a new Flock software deployment in time for FUDCon Cordoba in November.
My personal opinion would be to limit development work on some new, NIH solution. But we'd certainly be happy to have their support and help, or at least testing effort.
On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 10:43:19AM -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 10:50:09AM -0400, Neville A. Cross wrote:
There is an effort lead by Eduardo Echevemaster (echevemaster) to build a FUDCon tool that should be ready by FUDCon Cordoba 2015.
The software is located at: https://github.com/echevemaster/fudcon
When I asked about, people working on this said that they may want to get something usable for FUDCon but at FUDCon make a hackathon to integrate features and request to see if this can be the fedora premier event tool.
How can I point this group to the results for the next generation tool for premier events (Flock, FUDCcon and maybe even FAD) ?
Have them review the wiki page, and join and/or watch this list for updates. While I don't think it's a great idea to invent our own software with multiple other upstreams already available, I don't want to interfere with the Cordoba team's efforts. Their event is quite close and I'm not confident we can finish with a new Flock software deployment in time for FUDCon Cordoba in November.
Sorry, s/November/September/ but I guess that just strengthens my estimate. :-)
My personal opinion would be to limit development work on some new, NIH solution. But we'd certainly be happy to have their support and help, or at least testing effort.
Forget again to send a sourcecode for Hackdash:
https://ijnet.org/en/blog/hackdash-free-platform-organizing-collaborative-pr...
Zoltan
2015-08-15 6:24 GMT+02:00 Siddhesh Poyarekar siddhesh.poyarekar@gmail.com:
On 15 August 2015 at 02:08, Paul W. Frields stickster@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks to everyone who attended this afternoon's workshop, we have some really good notes about how to get started on a road to better software for next Flock.
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Flock_2016_software
The wiki page needs a bit of cleanup (just simple formatting) but it suffices for now if you missed the session and are interested in helping. I'll schedule a followup 2 weeks out on IRC so we can work out additional next steps. Any updates are welcome in the meantime to this list!
We used Drupal COD for fudcon.in and I can testify that it is a pain to set up and maintain. What's worse is upgrading it and that's important since we'd want to build a system that we maintain for some years.
It would really be great if this was thought about and eventually hosted as a generic event management system for FUDCon and Flock than just "software for Flock". The difference between Flock and FUDCon seems mostly to be scale and focus and neither of those factors have anything to do with the event management software. If it is just the matter of getting input from current and past FUDCon organizers then I'm sure we can solve that.
Siddhesh
http://siddhesh.in _______________________________________________ flock-planning mailing list flock-planning@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/flock-planning
On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 09:54:20AM +0530, Siddhesh Poyarekar wrote:
On 15 August 2015 at 02:08, Paul W. Frields stickster@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks to everyone who attended this afternoon's workshop, we have some really good notes about how to get started on a road to better software for next Flock.
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Flock_2016_software
The wiki page needs a bit of cleanup (just simple formatting) but it suffices for now if you missed the session and are interested in helping. I'll schedule a followup 2 weeks out on IRC so we can work out additional next steps. Any updates are welcome in the meantime to this list!
We used Drupal COD for fudcon.in and I can testify that it is a pain to set up and maintain. What's worse is upgrading it and that's important since we'd want to build a system that we maintain for some years.
Thanks for this input. This was a point shared in the workshop as well. I set up a test bed of COD earlier and even though I have some Drupal experience, it was neither easy nor intuitive to set up or maintain a small test event site.
It would really be great if this was thought about and eventually hosted as a generic event management system for FUDCon and Flock than just "software for Flock". The difference between Flock and FUDCon seems mostly to be scale and focus and neither of those factors have anything to do with the event management software. If it is just the matter of getting input from current and past FUDCon organizers then I'm sure we can solve that.
Also this was not clear in my original post -- we agreed in the workshop that it would be ideal to have a system that functions for all Fedora premier events -- both Flock and FUDCon.
Hi,
On 08/14/2015 04:38 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote:
The wiki page needs a bit of cleanup (just simple formatting) but it suffices for now if you missed the session and are interested in helping. I'll schedule a followup 2 weeks out on IRC so we can work out additional next steps. Any updates are welcome in the meantime to this list!
So I heard back from Oliver Propst on the GUADEC site, and he says they don't actually use OSEM...
~m
On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 11:40 AM, Máirín Duffy duffy@redhat.com wrote:
Hi,
On 08/14/2015 04:38 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote:
The wiki page needs a bit of cleanup (just simple formatting) but it suffices for now if you missed the session and are interested in helping. I'll schedule a followup 2 weeks out on IRC so we can work out additional next steps. Any updates are welcome in the meantime to this list!
So I heard back from Oliver Propst on the GUADEC site, and he says they don't actually use OSEM...
Did Oliver say what they are using?
josh
On 08/26/2015 12:31 PM, Josh Boyer wrote:
So I heard back from Oliver Propst on the GUADEC site, and he says they don't actually use OSEM...
Did Oliver say what they are using?
He didn't, my guess is it's custom in the sort of way ours is, he said it's far from ideal and he personally would like to switch to OSEM at some point. He's not sure why they are using GNOME / GUADEC as a reference, though.
~m
On 08/26/2015 12:37 PM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
On 08/26/2015 12:31 PM, Josh Boyer wrote:
So I heard back from Oliver Propst on the GUADEC site, and he says they don't actually use OSEM...
Did Oliver say what they are using?
He didn't,
Er, he did, it's a WordPress solution, pretty similar to our situation.
~m
On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 01:12:55PM -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:
On 08/26/2015 12:37 PM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
On 08/26/2015 12:31 PM, Josh Boyer wrote:
So I heard back from Oliver Propst on the GUADEC site, and he says they don't actually use OSEM...
Did Oliver say what they are using?
He didn't,
Er, he did, it's a WordPress solution, pretty similar to our situation.
Sadface. Do we need a public OSEM instance up to play with? I have a server with plenty of space & horsepower where I can provide that.
On 08/27/2015 11:03 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote:
Sadface. Do we need a public OSEM instance up to play with? I have a server with plenty of space & horsepower where I can provide that.
I'd be very excited to play with it and compare it against the feature matrix we came up with. Sirko also knows one of the lead developers and can do an email intro, so I can ask her about the codebase as-is and the roadmap wrt the features we need.
~m
On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 11:08:51AM -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:
On 08/27/2015 11:03 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote:
Sadface. Do we need a public OSEM instance up to play with? I have a server with plenty of space & horsepower where I can provide that.
I'd be very excited to play with it and compare it against the feature matrix we came up with. Sirko also knows one of the lead developers and can do an email intro, so I can ask her about the codebase as-is and the roadmap wrt the features we need.
I've stood up a copy to play with on my own server. I don't exactly trust the app yet, so I won't post the URL here. But if anyone wants to play with it, I'll send it privately and give you admin access to the app.
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