Re: Orphaned font packages
by Nicolas Mailhot
Le dimanche 21 décembre 2008 à 07:40 -0500, Bernie Innocenti a écrit :
> Hello,
Hello,
> I've just converted these two packages to the new font packaging
> guidelines, but then I realized I didn't make an ideal maintainer
> because I don't use them and I can't even read those languages :-)
Actually, repoquery found 159 packages with TrueType, OpenType or Type1
fonts in them in rawhide, and you're one of the first packagers to
respond to the resulting bug mass bombing, so I don't think anyone can
complain of your maintainership.
You're doing great, really.
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Nicolas Mailhot
15 years, 4 months
Re: arial narrow is broken since Fedora 8
by Nicolas Mailhot
Le Mar 9 décembre 2008 14:15, Julian Sikorski a écrit :
> I added a comment to freedesktop bug #18725, I'm not sure if it's the
> right one.
It's not the right one, and again please spend your energy lobbying
for a long term-fix in *every* upstream bugzilla instead of muddying
waters by asking to a return to the good old days which won't happen
as the technical context changed.
I know it's more work for you.
Life sucks.
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Nicolas Mailhot
15 years, 4 months
Re: arial narrow is broken since Fedora 8
by Nicolas Mailhot
Le Mar 9 décembre 2008 15:48, Julian Sikorski a écrit :
>
> Hmm, I did some more testing and it really seems that something gets
> messed up at the point at which arial is merged with arial narrow.
Just open a bug @gnome.org then, putting
fedora-fonts-bugs-list(a)redhat.com in CC.
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Nicolas Mailhot
15 years, 4 months
Re: arial narrow is broken since Fedora 8
by Nicolas Mailhot
Le Mar 9 décembre 2008 15:37, Julian Sikorski a écrit :
> If I remember correctly, a while ago you told me that gtk font
> selector
> should be working correctly as well. The thing is that it does show
> "extraordinary" typefaces for let's say DejaVu LGC Sans, but for Arial
> the list is pretty much busted - please see the screenshot I attached
> to
> the Red Hat bug #466678 (mentioned in the first email). Which software
> could be responsible for this? I suspected fontconfig.
The freely accessible arial you find on the web is an old version that
does not declare the same stuff as modern versions. Microsoft does not
update it anymore.
Having a way to tell fontconfig "this is an old font with missing
modern metadata, here is the info which is missing" so it's treated
the same way as modern fonts is the object of the freedesktop bug
you've already commented on.
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Nicolas Mailhot
15 years, 4 months
Re: arial narrow is broken since Fedora 8
by Nicolas Mailhot
Le Mar 9 décembre 2008 15:02, Julian Sikorski a écrit :
> Which is the right one then? I think openoffice issue 79878 could be a
> good choice,
If you only care about OO.o this is the right one, but that won't fix
KDE and friends.
> but I'm not sure about freedesktop one. I'm not that
> interested in others, since my document work is mainly done in oo.o.
> Besides, I guess that fontconfig needs to work properly before
> anything else will, right?
Fontconfig does work properly today. What does not work is apps that
assume there are only 4 font faces possible and can not handle what
fontconfig returns them for modern fonts.
http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=79878#desc27
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Nicolas Mailhot
15 years, 4 months
Re: arial narrow is broken since Fedora 8
by Nicolas Mailhot
Le Mar 9 décembre 2008 12:29, Julian Sikorski a écrit :
> IIRC in Fedora 8 timeframe it was decided
> to
> allow more font substyles than the 4 basic bold, italic, bold italic
> and normal
This was not decided in Fedora 8 this is how modern TrueType/OpenType
fonts work. Fonts have not been limited to 4 faces for a long time, we
at most decided to stop pretending it was the case.
(Here is a MS paper on the subject in case you still think it is a
Fedora-ism
http://blogs.msdn.com/text/archive/2007/04/23/wpf-font-selection-model.aspx
)
> All in all, all documents which were using arial
> narrow
> now refuse to render properly. Is there anything we could do to work
> around this issue? Some sort of quirk?
Workarounds are not sustainable given the problem is generic not
limited to this font and people working on workarounds do not spend
time working on the actual long-term fix.
Please make the necessary noise in upstream bug trackers to make them
fix their handling of modern fonts. You have at least some references
to existing open bugs here
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Known_fonts_and_text_bugs
Fixing font selection is the first item in
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Desktop/Whiteboards/BetterFonts
I have no idea on the resources the Desktop Team intends to spend on
this whiteboard, or if it is even one of their priorities. But anyway,
fixing stuff QT or KDE-side should be done by QT or KDE people.
Best regards,
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Nicolas Mailhot
15 years, 4 months