I got a request at https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1049076 suggesting that google-android-emoji-fonts be included in the default Fedora installation.
It seems reasonable to me that we should have a font with emoji coverage in the default Workstation installation, and I don't think there is one at the moment. We have google-noto-color-emoji-fonts in Fedora 22, however, and I'd suggest going with that instead.
Any thoughts?
On Sun, Feb 08, 2015 at 05:02:12PM +0000, Peter Oliver wrote:
It seems reasonable to me that we should have a font with emoji coverage in the default Workstation installation, and I don't think there is one at the moment. We have google-noto-color-emoji-fonts in Fedora 22, however, and I'd suggest going with that instead.
So... color? In what circumstances will that actually work?
On Sun, 8 Feb 2015, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Sun, Feb 08, 2015 at 05:02:12PM +0000, Peter Oliver wrote:
It seems reasonable to me that we should have a font with emoji coverage in the default Workstation installation, and I don't think there is one at the moment. We have google-noto-color-emoji-fonts in Fedora 22, however, and I'd suggest going with that instead.
So... color? In what circumstances will that actually work?
As I understand it, only in the rather niche circumstance that you are Behdad Esfahbod and have a specially hacked-up Cairo (see https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/fonts/2014-January/001663.html).
The rest of us get greyscale, which looks like this: https://mavit.fedorapeople.org/tmp/Screenshot%20from%202015-02-08%2021:30:48...
Le Dim 8 février 2015 22:37, Peter Oliver a écrit :
On Sun, 8 Feb 2015, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Sun, Feb 08, 2015 at 05:02:12PM +0000, Peter Oliver wrote:
It seems reasonable to me that we should have a font with emoji coverage in the default Workstation installation, and I don't think there is one at the moment. We have google-noto-color-emoji-fonts in Fedora 22, however, and I'd suggest going with that instead.
So... color? In what circumstances will that actually work?
As I understand it, only in the rather niche circumstance that you are Behdad Esfahbod and have a specially hacked-up Cairo (see https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/fonts/2014-January/001663.html).
The rest of us get greyscale, which looks like this: https://mavit.fedorapeople.org/tmp/Screenshot%20from%202015-02-08%2021:30:48...
Not to mention that to be actually useful, color support must exist on both sides of the conversation (and the Google solution is not the only one one the market). Probably too early to set it as defaut, at best as a dep of the first Fedora IM client that can make use of it. And then remove the dep when it's no longer experimental-ish
On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 03:31:31PM +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
Not to mention that to be actually useful, color support must exist on both sides of the conversation (and the Google solution is not the only one one the market). Probably too early to set it as defaut, at best as a dep of the first Fedora IM client that can make use of it. And then remove the dep when it's no longer experimental-ish
IM clients aren't the only use. I use 'em in my prompt for various status information in a compact form, and I'd really apprecaite color emojis in the terminal. We could use them in `ls -F` (or an extended equivalent), too. Someday. :)
On 10 February 2015 at 14:31, Nicolas Mailhot nicolas.mailhot@laposte.net wrote:
Not to mention that to be actually useful, color support must exist on both sides of the conversation (and the Google solution is not the only one one the market).
Sure, this is Google's attempt at encoding colour into fonts, but the characters themselves are ordinary Unicode characters, so interoperability between IM participants doesn't seem to be a particular problem, to me. Emoji look different from phone to phone and from website to website, but people mostly seem to cope fine with that.
Probably too early to set it as defaut, at best as a dep of the first Fedora IM client that can make use of it. And then remove the dep when it's no longer experimental-ish
Let's not get hung up on the fact that the font I suggested happens to encode colour. I can receive emoji IMs today via Gnome Shell's notifications.
I guess the questions I'm asking are: are emoji now sufficiently common that we should include by default a font that can display them? If yes, what is the most suitable font for that?
Top posting: Just to update on this. We have recently added subpackage google-noto-color-emoji-fonts http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/rpminfo?rpmID=5877202 [1] from google noto fonts project.
1. http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/rpminfo?rpmID=5877202
On 11 February 2015 at 03:08, Peter Oliver < lists.fedoraproject.org@mavit.org.uk> wrote:
On 10 February 2015 at 14:31, Nicolas Mailhot nicolas.mailhot@laposte.net wrote:
Not to mention that to be actually useful, color support must exist on both sides of the conversation (and the Google solution is not the only one one the market).
Sure, this is Google's attempt at encoding colour into fonts, but the characters themselves are ordinary Unicode characters, so interoperability between IM participants doesn't seem to be a particular problem, to me. Emoji look different from phone to phone and from website to website, but people mostly seem to cope fine with that.
Probably too early to set it as defaut, at best as a dep of the first Fedora IM client that can make use of it. And then
remove
the dep when it's no longer experimental-ish
Let's not get hung up on the fact that the font I suggested happens to encode colour. I can receive emoji IMs today via Gnome Shell's notifications.
I guess the questions I'm asking are: are emoji now sufficiently common that we should include by default a font that can display them? If yes, what is the most suitable font for that?
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