Things have been moving slowly getting ready for rawhide testing. I wanted to
relayout my disks and get both rawhide and F10 resinstalled. There is still
more more to do with this. I expect to be testing on rawhide on Wednesday
The first thing I will be doing after I have a working rawhide install is
confirming fixes for the dependencies bugs that I filed and have new updates.
I think most of them have been fixed. In one case the maintainer's key
doesn't work any more and they don't know how to proceed. (This is bug
475919, if someone here can help them out.)
Assuming no new problems show up, I'll move on to working on extending
my patches to livecd-tools for switching to udf when the squashfs file
system reaches 4GiB. I am off this week, so I think I'll have a good
chance of having something (a patch for livecd-tools) reviewable by the end
of this weekend (the 4th).
The Spins SIG still needs to work on what the policy will be for Spins.
(So that the Feature Wrangler can properly evaluate the feature.)
I don't expect this to be a problem, but if something ends up needing
to absolutely done by the alpha there could be a problem.
If the spin's squashfs file system still fits under 4GiB, then I don't
think should be a problem having a spin available for the alpha. (Though
I am not sure how that is going to work procedurely.) If it is over
4GiB, then it will depend on having an update applied to livecd-tools before
the alpha. I may not have an acceptable patch by that time. This potentially
could also hit a policy issue regarding whether or not spins can use
udf even if they still fit on a DVD as that may limit the hardware they
can be used on. (I wouldn't expect their to be many systems that can boot
off a DVD, that couldn't also use udf.)
I have successfully tested a games spin with some caveats.
When I switched to including fedora-livecd-desktop.ks instead of
fedora-live-base.ks the size of the spin increased to 4095MB. This
is on the verge of not working with livecd-creator as it is now.
However, I have done a successful test with a version that was larger
than 4GiB using a modified version of livecd-creator that uses udf instead
of iso9660. I have made a feature request (bug 476696) to get this
included in the rawhide version of livecd-tools.
Several games are still having install issues. At least one was only going to
be fixed in rawhide, so when I switch to rawhide I should pick up a few
more fixes. If some are still broken around the time of the alpha I'll
ask for some help getting the changes put in. These are just simple spec
file additions, so it shouldn't be a big deal.
The testing I have been doing so far has been with F10 + Updates +
Updates-testing. I am in the process of getting rawhide on my home
machine. That should happen by the end of the weekend. Once it does I will
be doing all of my testing in rawhide.
If the livecd-creator changes are rejected I'll probably need to cut some stuff
out. It looks like the desktop spin brings in a few apps that we don't really
need and we can probably get enough space from that.
I think I am at the point where I need to do feature related stuff. What do
I do to bring the feature request to the attention of the people who make
I was able to get the games spin to boot but there was a significant
problem. X never appeared to start. There was no Xorg.0.log file. The
console had signal but was black. I could get into vts though. I tried
telinit 5 and some services changed, suggesting the I didn' come up
in runlevel 5 which is also suspicious.
Other minor issues.
There were a lot of log messages for prefdm. (I am not sure of the exact
spelling.) Apparently that program was getting run repeatedly and it
Netmanager appeared to slow down the boot somewhat waiting for DHCP
responses. None of the network cards is attached to a network with
a DHCP server.
I got the boot screen with the colored bars accross the bottom of the screen.
Isn't the solar plymouth plugin supposed to do something nicer during
Since this is my first post on here, let me introduce myself. I'm John Arntz, I joined this list b/c I was interested in suggesting/packaging games for Fedora. I'm not an IT professional, nor have a strong programming background, but I do love Linux and want to see good quality games on Fedora. I have made my own RPM's for my own use, but I would probably need a bit of help if I ever wanted to undertake making a game package good enough for official release. When I do try, I'll be sure to let everyone know.
I did have a comment on the topic of the Bootscreen Discussion:
>> I got the boot screen with the colored bars across the bottom of the screen.
>> Isn't the solar plymouth plugin supposed to do something nicer during
I'm running the full x86_64 installation with a NVidia 7950 and I too only get the bar on the bottom when I boot. Looked to try to make sure that the right RPM's were installed for it, it looks like I do, but I am still getting just the bar. I have not tried a standard i386 install or a live CD for F10 yet, so I don't have anything else to compare to.
I saw there were some problems making a games spin, but I wasn't sure
what the underlying cause was. If I want to make a live games DVD using
livecd-creator and the games kickstart file (possibly with some changes)
should I expect problems?
Starfighter needs to come out as its not included in Fedora any more.
It has been suggested to drop vdrift because it doesn't work with any
included 3d drivers. Barring other feedback on this I'll do that.
I plan on removing uqm as well. It's data had to be removed from Fedora
because of a noncommercial restriction and is (IMO) too large to be
downloading everytime the livedvd is used to try playing uqm.
If people had other suggestions for additions or removals, this would be
a good time to do it.