1:24 p.m.
Hi
I was contacted by a local computing magazine which is aiming to
distribute a gaming distribution by December and wanted to know if I
could do a Fedora games Live CD. It has a monthly circulation of 15000
copies but due to the low cost of the magazine they can't afford to
distribute a DVD.
I could do one specifically for them but is there any interest in having
it more widely available? Is a Fedora games Live CD worth the effort?
Rahul
1:26 p.m.
Hi
I was contacted by a local computing magazine which is aiming to
distribute a gaming distribution by December and wanted to know if I
could do a Fedora games Live CD. It has a monthly circulation of 15000
copies but due to the low cost of the magazine they can't afford to
distribute a DVD.
I could do one specifically for them but is there any interest in having
it more widely available? Is a Fedora games Live CD worth the effort?
I've been arguing in favor of that since the start, as I have no DVD drives.
+1 from me. Though I completely understand the arguments against. In
this case, we have an opportunity to put Fedora in front of more eyeballs,
so I say go for it.
Rahul
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2:01 p.m.
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Hi
I was contacted by a local computing magazine which is aiming to
distribute a gaming distribution by December and wanted to know if I
could do a Fedora games Live CD. It has a monthly circulation of 15000
copies but due to the low cost of the magazine they can't afford to
distribute a DVD.
I could do one specifically for them but is there any interest in having
it more widely available? Is a Fedora games Live CD worth the effort?
Well, to get 15000 cd's out there, hell ya! So we need to strip the desktop to
the bone and then very carefully select games based on size.
I would like to nominate:
-The floppy editions of beneath-a-steal-sky (10 Mb) think lucas film arts
games like maniac mansian, definetively worth it if you ask me.
-quake3 (3Mb), vavoom (4Mb) (they are small through using auto-downloader, yes
I'm a cheater)
-worminator (platform shootem-up crossover, only 0.5 Mb)
-KoboDeluxe (1 Mb)
-raidem (7 Mb) very good 2d top-down shoot'em up like 1942, raptor, etc.
-crystal-stacker, Falling blocks, match 3 or more of the same color crystals (1
Mb)
-fbg, falling block, classics (1.3 Mb)
-freeciv (12 Mb)
-methane, like bubbles and bobbles (2 Mb)
-njam, like pacman (4 Mb)
-lacewing, cool! (2 Mb)
-ballbuster, a brick buster (2 Mb)
-clanbomber (2 Mb)
-scorchwentbonkers, try it (2 Mb)
-stormbaancoureur, car racing (4 Mb)
-machineball (4 mb)
-xgalaxy, xgalaga renamed (1 Mb)
Maybe:
-asc, strategic game (12 Mb)
-duel3, ... (7 Mb)
-supertuxkart, cool but .. (36 Mb)
-pinball (7 Mb)
-seahorse-adventures (try it) (4 Mb)
-auriferious, like loderunner (20 Mb)
Also I'll try to get:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=250735
Resolved asap, that will save us arts and qt, unless we want kde stuff.
Regards,
Hans
2:08 p.m.
I think it would be good to get at least one old-school RPG in there.
xu4 (if we allow autodownloader) or nazghul-haxima should be pretty
tiny, although at 2MB nazghul might not be sufficiently tiny.
- J<
2:08 p.m.
Jason L Tibbitts III wrote:
I think it would be good to get at least one old-school RPG in
there.
xu4 (if we allow autodownloader) or nazghul-haxima should be pretty
tiny, although at 2MB nazghul might not be sufficiently tiny.
I fully agree, I would really like to see many < 5 Mb games instead of a few
larger games. Then again games like supertuxkart although bigish are also nice.
Regards,
Hans
12:36 a.m.
Jason L Tibbitts III wrote:
I think it would be good to get at least one old-school RPG in
there.
xu4 (if we allow autodownloader) or nazghul-haxima should be pretty
tiny, although at 2MB nazghul might not be sufficiently tiny.
If you really want old-school rpg, add rogue and ularn, which barely top
500k combined. :)
--Wart
2:20 p.m.
Hans de Goede wrote:
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> Hi
>
> I was contacted by a local computing magazine which is aiming to
> distribute a gaming distribution by December and wanted to know if I
> could do a Fedora games Live CD. It has a monthly circulation of
> 15000 copies but due to the low cost of the magazine they can't afford
> to distribute a DVD.
>
> I could do one specifically for them but is there any interest in
> having it more widely available? Is a Fedora games Live CD worth the
> effort?
>
Well, to get 15000 cd's out there, hell ya!
Actually it is 30000 cd's since we would distribute two different spins.
Fedora games and a local language (Tamil) edition. Do copy and modify
the existing kickstart file in the wiki and we can work out the details
more.
Rahul
2:23 p.m.
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Do copy and modify
the existing kickstart file in the wiki and we can work out the details
more.
Erm, I'm not completely following you here. I do think we need someone to sink
some time into creating a minimal desktop .ks file to which we can then start
adding games. Maybe use xfce? Then we will be the xfce and games spin all
rolled into one :)
Regards,
Hans
2:33 p.m.
Hans de Goede wrote:
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> Do copy and modify the existing kickstart file in the wiki and we can
> work out the details more.
>
Erm, I'm not completely following you here. I do think we need someone
to sink some time into creating a minimal desktop .ks file to which we
can then start adding games.
I am suggesting that we can copy and trim the existing games DVD
kickstart file and reuse that if that is less work.
Maybe use xfce? Then we will be the xfce
and games spin all rolled into one :)
It is still very early but I am working on a Xfce spin too.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RahulSundaram/XfceLive
Rahul
2:42 p.m.
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Hans de Goede wrote:
> Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>> Do copy and modify the existing kickstart file in the wiki and we can
>> work out the details more.
>>
>
> Erm, I'm not completely following you here. I do think we need someone
> to sink some time into creating a minimal desktop .ks file to which we
> can then start adding games.
I am suggesting that we can copy and trim the existing games DVD
kickstart file and reuse that if that is less work.
Hmm, but thats derived from the standard desktop install isn't it? Then we will
have very little room for games.
I'm thinking more along the lines of a very minimal desktop with a stripped
xfce (for example no filemanager, unless thats very small and doesn't bring in
to much deps).
I'm also thinking things like: no browser, maybe a text based one which can be
launched in a terminal from a fake htmlview like command for those apps that
expect htmlview to be there.
Maybe use xfce? Then we will be the xfce
> and games spin all rolled into one :)
It is still very early but I am working on a Xfce spin too.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RahulSundaram/XfceLive
Cool!
Couldn't we use that as a start then, without for example the broswer, mail
client, office apps, etc.
AFAIK the unique asset of the games dvd is the games list other then that its
almost an exact copy of the official desktop livecd.
Regards,
Hans
2:52 p.m.
Hans de Goede wrote:
>
> It is still very early but I am working on a Xfce spin too.
>
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RahulSundaram/XfceLive
>
Cool!
Couldn't we use that as a start then, without for example the broswer,
mail client, office apps, etc.
We could but the Xfce kickstart itself needs to be derived from the base
OS desktop kickstart file instead of duplicating it like it does now.
If you want to do that, it would get me both the Xfce spin as well as
games live cd.
Rahul
2:53 p.m.
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Hans de Goede wrote:
>>
>> It is still very early but I am working on a Xfce spin too.
>>
>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RahulSundaram/XfceLive
>>
>
> Cool!
>
> Couldn't we use that as a start then, without for example the broswer,
> mail client, office apps, etc.
We could but the Xfce kickstart itself needs to be derived from the base
OS desktop kickstart file instead of duplicating it like it does now.
If you want to do that, it would get me both the Xfce spin as well as
games live cd.
I'm afraid I simply don't have the time for that, between getting some kernel
drivers ready for the 2.6.24 merge window, the full steam rolling CCRMA
packages integration with the AudioCreation SIG and a successful starting up of
rpmfusion all my time is spend (most of it spend twice).
Regards,
Hans
3:03 p.m.
Hans de Goede wrote:
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> Hans de Goede wrote:
>
>>>
>>> It is still very early but I am working on a Xfce spin too.
>>>
>>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RahulSundaram/XfceLive
>>>
>>
>> Cool!
>>
>> Couldn't we use that as a start then, without for example the
>> broswer, mail client, office apps, etc.
>
> We could but the Xfce kickstart itself needs to be derived from the
> base OS desktop kickstart file instead of duplicating it like it does
> now. If you want to do that, it would get me both the Xfce spin as
> well as games live cd.
>
I'm afraid I simply don't have the time for that,
That's understandable. I am busy with other stuff too. Is anyone
volunteering?
Rahul
2:37 a.m.
Hans de Goede wrote:
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> I could do one specifically for them but is there any interest in
> having it more widely available? Is a Fedora games Live CD worth the
> effort?
If you build the CD then I think it make absolutely sense to make it
widely available.
Well, to get 15000 cd's out there, hell ya! So we need to strip
the
desktop to the bone and then very carefully select games based on size.
I would like to nominate:
-The floppy editions of
I think if a games CD is intended to have any success, it have to
include more than geeky games, is a must to cover some mainstream
genres, IMO Wesnoth is a must, a real 3D shooter is a must and maybe a
car game. I understand those are large games and the size is important,
but the purpose is to have games people will play (do not address only a
niche of players).
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2:39 a.m.
Nicu Buculei wrote:
Hans de Goede wrote:
> Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>> I could do one specifically for them but is there any interest in
>> having it more widely available? Is a Fedora games Live CD worth the
>> effort?
If you build the CD then I think it make absolutely sense to make it
widely available.
> Well, to get 15000 cd's out there, hell ya! So we need to strip the
> desktop to the bone and then very carefully select games based on size.
>
> I would like to nominate:
> -The floppy editions of
I think if a games CD is intended to have any success, it have to
include more than geeky games, is a must to cover some mainstream
genres, IMO Wesnoth is a must, a real 3D shooter is a must and maybe a
car game. I understand those are large games and the size is important,
but the purpose is to have games people will play (do not address only a
niche of players).
Have you actually tried Beneath a steel sky? It does cover a mainstream genre,
the genre of games like Monkey Island, and the later point and click interface
larry's and space quests and it covers that well, and only for 8 Mb!
Also a lot of the other games I mentioned are not pure geeky. Who doesn't like
pacman or the well known Russian falling blocks game?
Regards,
Hans
4 a.m.
Hans de Goede wrote:
Have you actually tried Beneath a steel sky? It does cover a
mainstream
genre, the genre of games like Monkey Island, and the later point and
click interface larry's and space quests and it covers that well, and
only for 8 Mb!
Yes, about 10 years ago I was in fact quite a big fan of Indiana Jones
and the Fate of Atlantis (also based on SCUMM) but I moved over. Sure, I
could play it a bit out of nostalgia but that is all. Have you seen the
kids these days playing old-school adventures?
Is the goal of the spin to make happy the nostalgia players or attract
new people to Fedora?
I don't argue against the inclusion of such games, but to ponder then
with something modern and cover a large user base.
Also a lot of the other games I mentioned are not pure geeky. Who
doesn't like pacman or the well known Russian falling blocks game?
Well, Tetris is part of the Gnome games package (even if Fedora let it
out due to a questionable trademark policy), so a game like it is
expected in the main desktop spin, the games spin I think should have
higher goals.
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9:17 a.m.
In my opinion we should select a core of two or three bigger games
that would be a good promotion of LiveCD and then fill the empty space
with smaller games.
That is because most of players would be definitely more interested in
well-known newer games than the classics.
I'd select Wesnoth and OpenArena or Nexuiz. Why?
- Wesnoth - because it's a really popular game that is better than
many commercial available games, turn-based games have many fans (not
to mention HoMM) and having it in Fedora may attract lots of folks
playing this type of games.
- OpenArena or Nexuiz - popularity of network FPS's is a thing that
doesn't need to be explained. Both can be played offline too unless
somebody owns internet connection.
With this selection we could draw fans of strategy and action games.
What do you think?
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9:20 a.m.
In my opinion we should select a core of two or three bigger games
that would be a good promotion of LiveCD and then fill the empty space
with smaller games.
That is because most of players would be definitely more interested in
well-known newer games than the classics.
I'd select Wesnoth and OpenArena or Nexuiz. Why?
- Wesnoth - because it's a really popular game that is better than
many commercial available games, turn-based games have many fans (not
to mention HoMM) and having it in Fedora may attract lots of folks
playing this type of games.
- OpenArena or Nexuiz - popularity of network FPS's is a thing that
doesn't need to be explained. Both can be played offline too unless
somebody owns internet connection.
With this selection we could draw fans of strategy and action games.
What do you think?
+1, I vote nexuiz.
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