5:09 a.m.
Hi All,
I know most of us (fedora-games-list subscribers) have grown from game
packagers to contributors also doing more "serious" Fedora work.
Still Games are fun and having good Games support in Fedora is important and I
know we are all still working hard to keep our game packages in top notch state.
Given that we have all these top notch state game packages its really a shame
that we've not done a Games Spin for F-9, and we might miss the boat for F-10
too. So I'm looking for someone to pull and coordinate the efforts needed to
get a Games Spin for F-10, as always I'm willing to help but:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/BetterWebcamSupport
Is taking almost all my time so I have no time to take the lead on this one, so
any takers? The first task would be to fill in the details of:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/GamesSpin
And ask for the spin to be approved.
Thanks & Regards,
Hans
5:04 a.m.
Hans de Goede wrote:
Hi All,
I know most of us (fedora-games-list subscribers) have grown from game
packagers to contributors also doing more "serious" Fedora work.
Still Games are fun and having good Games support in Fedora is important
and I know we are all still working hard to keep our game packages in
top notch state.
Given that we have all these top notch state game packages its really a
shame that we've not done a Games Spin for F-9, and we might miss the
boat for F-10 too. So I'm looking for someone to pull and coordinate the
efforts needed to get a Games Spin for F-10, as always I'm willing to
help but:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/BetterWebcamSupport
Is taking almost all my time so I have no time to take the lead on this
one, so any takers? The first task would be to fill in the details of:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/GamesSpin
And ask for the spin to be approved.
The Spin SIG sorta assists you in getting the kickstart right, approved
and pushed to a GIT repository on fedorahosted[1], where you can then
continue maintenance.
Since I'm on this list as well (and the Spin SIG lead for lack of a
better word to describe it), I would like to see some maintainers step
up and get the games spin up and running again.
Kind regards,
Jeroen van Meeuwen
-kanarip
[1] git clone git://git.fedorahosted.org/spin-kickstarts.git
8:32 p.m.
Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote:
Hans de Goede wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I know most of us (fedora-games-list subscribers) have grown from game
> packagers to contributors also doing more "serious" Fedora work.
>
> Still Games are fun and having good Games support in Fedora is
> important and I know we are all still working hard to keep our game
> packages in top notch state.
>
> Given that we have all these top notch state game packages its really
> a shame that we've not done a Games Spin for F-9, and we might miss
> the boat for F-10 too. So I'm looking for someone to pull and
> coordinate the efforts needed to get a Games Spin for F-10, as always
> I'm willing to help but:
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/BetterWebcamSupport
>
> Is taking almost all my time so I have no time to take the lead on
> this one, so any takers? The first task would be to fill in the
> details of:
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/GamesSpin
>
> And ask for the spin to be approved.
>
The Spin SIG sorta assists you in getting the kickstart right, approved
and pushed to a GIT repository on fedorahosted[1], where you can then
continue maintenance.
Since I'm on this list as well (and the Spin SIG lead for lack of a
better word to describe it), I would like to see some maintainers step
up and get the games spin up and running again.
I started working on getting the Games spin working for Rawhide, but
kept running into out of space errors. I think the contents of the spin
may be a bit too large at the moment. The -desktop spin built ok.
FWIW, livecd-creator failed to even parse the .ks files on RHEL5.2.
I'll file a bz ticket on that one.
--Wart
9:01 p.m.
Wart wrote:
I started working on getting the Games spin working for Rawhide, but
kept running into out of space errors. I think the contents of the spin
may be a bit too large at the moment. The -desktop spin built ok.
FWIW, livecd-creator failed to even parse the .ks files on RHEL5.2.
I'll file a bz ticket on that one.
I hope you are able to test the .ks on F9's / rawhide's livecd-tools as
well, because I don't think the good old livecd-tools that is in EPEL-5
takes the "part / xxxx" kickstart configuration directive into account
when creating the filesystem to install the packages to, and only F9's /
rawhide's livecd-tools have the necessary patches to make the "part /
xxxx" configuration directive overrideable.
Kind regards,
Jeroen van Meeuwen
-kanarip
10:10 p.m.
Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote:
Wart wrote:
> I started working on getting the Games spin working for Rawhide, but
> kept running into out of space errors. I think the contents of the spin
> may be a bit too large at the moment. The -desktop spin built ok.
>
> FWIW, livecd-creator failed to even parse the .ks files on RHEL5.2.
> I'll file a bz ticket on that one.
>
I hope you are able to test the .ks on F9's / rawhide's livecd-tools as
well, because I don't think the good old livecd-tools that is in EPEL-5
takes the "part / xxxx" kickstart configuration directive into account
when creating the filesystem to install the packages to, and only F9's /
rawhide's livecd-tools have the necessary patches to make the "part /
xxxx" configuration directive overrideable.
I was finally able to use livecd-tools to build the image on F-9[1], but
only after commenting out the "traditional (big)" games to get around
the out of space issues. We need to make a pass through the list of
games in the .ks file and prune out a few to get the size down to a more
manageable level: https://fedorahosted.org/spin-kickstarts/
--Wart
[1] I'd prefer to do this on RHEL5.2, since it would allow me to use my
nice fat pipe at work[2], as opposed to the pathetic DSL at home.
[2] ...at least until I get a F-9 box running at work. For some reason,
xen networking keeps puking when I try to set up a F-9 xen slave.
2:29 a.m.
Wart wrote:
Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote:
> Wart wrote:
>> I started working on getting the Games spin working for Rawhide, but
>> kept running into out of space errors. I think the contents of the spin
>> may be a bit too large at the moment. The -desktop spin built ok.
>>
>> FWIW, livecd-creator failed to even parse the .ks files on RHEL5.2.
>> I'll file a bz ticket on that one.
>>
> I hope you are able to test the .ks on F9's / rawhide's livecd-tools as
> well, because I don't think the good old livecd-tools that is in EPEL-5
> takes the "part / xxxx" kickstart configuration directive into account
> when creating the filesystem to install the packages to, and only F9's /
> rawhide's livecd-tools have the necessary patches to make the "part /
> xxxx" configuration directive overrideable.
I was finally able to use livecd-tools to build the image on F-9[1], but
only after commenting out the "traditional (big)" games to get around
the out of space issues. We need to make a pass through the list of
games in the .ks file and prune out a few to get the size down to a more
manageable level: https://fedorahosted.org/spin-kickstarts/
Hi Wart,
Good to see someone is looking after the Spin !!
The first thing todo about the size issues is to increase the size of the root
partition, so make the number at the end of this line larger:
part / --size 8000
Say for example 12000, then the dvd image should atleast build and depending on
how good the compression works might still fit on a 4.3 Gb single layer dvd
(which I doubt) once we have a too large iso we atleast have a ballpark idea of
how much we need to shave of. For starters drop vegastrike as that is
absolutely *huge*.
Regards,
Hans
4:49 a.m.
Wart wrote:
I was finally able to use livecd-tools to build the image on F-9[1],
but
only after commenting out the "traditional (big)" games to get around
the out of space issues. We need to make a pass through the list of
games in the .ks file and prune out a few to get the size down to a more
manageable level: https://fedorahosted.org/spin-kickstarts/
Can you request GIT commit access by joining the gitspin-kickstarts
group in FAS?
It'll enable you to perform real maintenance in "the upstream" (eg.
central) repository and allows collaboration in case other people want
to take a stab at it as well.
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/group/view/gitspin-kickstarts
Kind regards,
Jeroen van Meeuwen
-kanarip
5:31 a.m.
Hans de Goede wrote:
Wart wrote:
> Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote:
>> Wart wrote:
(...snip...)
The first thing todo about the size issues is to increase the size of
the root partition, so make the number at the end of this line larger:
part / --size 8000
Some useful output from Revisor, running with the --report-sizes command
line switch:
==Report of the %d most space consuming packages==
Install Sizes:
359 MB for nexuiz-data-2.4.2-1.fc10.noarch
326 MB for vegastrike-data-0.5.0-3.noarch
267 MB for openarena-0.7.7-2.fc10.noarch
238 MB for alienarena-data-20080603-2.fc10.noarch
202 MB for fgfs-base-1.0.0-1.fc9.noarch
145 MB for wesnoth-1.4.2-1.fc10.x86_64
124 MB for vdrift-data-20071226-3.fc9.noarch
106 MB for uqm-content-voice-0.6.0-2.noarch
98 MB for fillets-ng-data-0.8.0-1.noarch
97 MB for freedroidrpg-0.10.3-2.fc9.x86_64
96 MB for tremulous-data-1.1.0-4.fc8.noarch
73 MB for astromenace-data-1.2-1.fc8.noarch
66 MB for beneath-a-steel-sky-cd-0.0372-2.fc8.noarch
62 MB for glest-data-3.1.2-1.fc9.noarch
61 MB for egoboo-data-2.7.5-1.fc9.noarch
60 MB for boswars-2.5-1.fc9.x86_64
57 MB for scorched3d-41.3-2.fc9.x86_64
56 MB for texlive-texmf-fonts-2007-23.fc10.noarch
54 MB for torcs-data-tracks-road-1.3.0-2.noarch
53 MB for wormux-data-0.8-1.fc10.x86_64
44 MB for gcompris-8.4.5-2.fc10.x86_64
Package (RPM) Sizes:
359 MB for nexuiz-data-2.4.2-1.fc10.noarch
326 MB for vegastrike-data-0.5.0-3.noarch
267 MB for openarena-0.7.7-2.fc10.noarch
238 MB for alienarena-data-20080603-2.fc10.noarch
202 MB for fgfs-base-1.0.0-1.fc9.noarch
145 MB for wesnoth-1.4.2-1.fc10.x86_64
124 MB for vdrift-data-20071226-3.fc9.noarch
106 MB for uqm-content-voice-0.6.0-2.noarch
98 MB for fillets-ng-data-0.8.0-1.noarch
97 MB for freedroidrpg-0.10.3-2.fc9.x86_64
96 MB for tremulous-data-1.1.0-4.fc8.noarch
73 MB for astromenace-data-1.2-1.fc8.noarch
66 MB for beneath-a-steel-sky-cd-0.0372-2.fc8.noarch
62 MB for glest-data-3.1.2-1.fc9.noarch
61 MB for egoboo-data-2.7.5-1.fc9.noarch
60 MB for boswars-2.5-1.fc9.x86_64
57 MB for scorched3d-41.3-2.fc9.x86_64
56 MB for texlive-texmf-fonts-2007-23.fc10.noarch
54 MB for torcs-data-tracks-road-1.3.0-2.noarch
53 MB for wormux-data-0.8-1.fc10.x86_64
44 MB for gcompris-8.4.5-2.fc10.x86_64
Hope this helps!
Kind regards,
Jeroen van Meeuwen
-kanarip
5:47 a.m.
Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote:
Some useful output from Revisor, running with the --report-sizes
command
line switch:
==Report of the %d most space consuming packages==
Install Sizes:
359 MB for nexuiz-data-2.4.2-1.fc10.noarch
326 MB for vegastrike-data-0.5.0-3.noarch
267 MB for openarena-0.7.7-2.fc10.noarch
238 MB for alienarena-data-20080603-2.fc10.noarch
202 MB for fgfs-base-1.0.0-1.fc9.noarch
145 MB for wesnoth-1.4.2-1.fc10.x86_64
124 MB for vdrift-data-20071226-3.fc9.noarch
106 MB for uqm-content-voice-0.6.0-2.noarch
<snip>
As said I'm ok with removing vegastrike, I would like to vote to keep nexuiz as
that really is one of the best games FOSS has to offer and instead remove
openarena, also maybe completely remove uqm or atleast the addons like the
-voices package.
Hope this helps!
Its very helpfull, thanks!
Regards,
Hans
6:51 p.m.
Hans de Goede wrote:
Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote:
> Some useful output from Revisor, running with the --report-sizes
> command line switch:
>
> ==Report of the %d most space consuming packages==
>
> Install Sizes:
>
> 359 MB for nexuiz-data-2.4.2-1.fc10.noarch
> 326 MB for vegastrike-data-0.5.0-3.noarch
> 267 MB for openarena-0.7.7-2.fc10.noarch
> 238 MB for alienarena-data-20080603-2.fc10.noarch
> 202 MB for fgfs-base-1.0.0-1.fc9.noarch
> 145 MB for wesnoth-1.4.2-1.fc10.x86_64
> 124 MB for vdrift-data-20071226-3.fc9.noarch
> 106 MB for uqm-content-voice-0.6.0-2.noarch
<snip>
As said I'm ok with removing vegastrike, I would like to vote to keep
nexuiz as that really is one of the best games FOSS has to offer and
instead remove openarena, also maybe completely remove uqm or atleast
the addons like the -voices package.
It looks like removing vegastrike reduced the footprint enough. I also
removed xpilot-ng (broken due to xorg changes in F-9) and added PySolFC.
Now I need to figure out how to work with git to commit these changes...
--Wart
4:54 a.m.
Wart wrote:
Hans de Goede wrote:
> Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote:
>> Some useful output from Revisor, running with the --report-sizes
>> command line switch:
>>
>> ==Report of the %d most space consuming packages==
>>
>> Install Sizes:
>>
>> 359 MB for nexuiz-data-2.4.2-1.fc10.noarch
>> 326 MB for vegastrike-data-0.5.0-3.noarch
>> 267 MB for openarena-0.7.7-2.fc10.noarch
>> 238 MB for alienarena-data-20080603-2.fc10.noarch
>> 202 MB for fgfs-base-1.0.0-1.fc9.noarch
>> 145 MB for wesnoth-1.4.2-1.fc10.x86_64
>> 124 MB for vdrift-data-20071226-3.fc9.noarch
>> 106 MB for uqm-content-voice-0.6.0-2.noarch
> <snip>
>
> As said I'm ok with removing vegastrike, I would like to vote to keep
> nexuiz as that really is one of the best games FOSS has to offer and
> instead remove openarena, also maybe completely remove uqm or atleast
> the addons like the -voices package.
It looks like removing vegastrike reduced the footprint enough. I also
removed xpilot-ng (broken due to xorg changes in F-9) and added PySolFC.
Now I need to figure out how to work with git to commit these changes...
I see you were able to commit and push the changes to the master branch,
which will be used to compose F-10 with.
To also apply the changes to the F-9 branch, use:
git show > fedora-livedvd-games.ks.patch
(verify the patch file)
git checkout -b F-9 origin/F-9 # checkout the F-9 branch
git apply fedora-livedvd-games.ks.patch
git commit -a -m "Update the games kickstart file"
git push
Hope this helps,
Kind regards,
Jeroen van Meeuwen
-kanarip
1:06 p.m.
Since the F10 Beta Feature Freeze is coming up, this is the time to sign
off on the Games Spin or leave it hanging for F11.
There's a few concerns about this spin right now:
* Test plan is woefully lacking information, as well as a cut/paste job
from another feature. Links to QA tests would be good since you seem to
indicate that there are some known.
* Contingency plan should list all the places documentation about this
spin should be removed in case we don't do it, so that we don't
advertise a non-available spin.
Right now though, due to the Big Evil Beta Feature Freeze, is the time
to fix things and get things into shape as we're approaching general
release ;-)
Kind regards,
Jeroen van Meeuwen
-kanarip
3:21 p.m.
Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote:
Since the F10 Beta Feature Freeze is coming up, this is the time to sign
off on the Games Spin or leave it hanging for F11.
There's a few concerns about this spin right now:
* Test plan is woefully lacking information, as well as a cut/paste job
from another feature. Links to QA tests would be good since you seem to
indicate that there are some known.
* Contingency plan should list all the places documentation about this
spin should be removed in case we don't do it, so that we don't
advertise a non-available spin.
Right now though, due to the Big Evil Beta Feature Freeze, is the time
to fix things and get things into shape as we're approaching general
release ;-)
I've continued to be busy trying to get a working spin, and only
recently got one working after rebasing to the fedora-livecd-desktop.ks.
Earlier attempts to base off of fedora-livecd-xfce.ks failed as users
were immediately logged out after logging in.
The -desktop spin is larger than the -xfce spin, however, so a few
things had to be removed to make room:
*-music
vegastrike
freedroidrpg
uqm
openarena
You can find the results of my latest x86_64 livedvd attempts at:
http://newman.ultralight.org/livecd/x86_64/livecd-fedora-livedvd-games-de...
http://newman.ultralight.org/livecd/x86_64/livecd-fedora-livedvd-games-xf...
32-bit iso images are forthcoming.
I'll start hacking on the feature page now...
--Wart
3:27 p.m.
Michael Thomas wrote:
Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote:
>
> Since the F10 Beta Feature Freeze is coming up, this is the time to
> sign off on the Games Spin or leave it hanging for F11.
>
> There's a few concerns about this spin right now:
>
> * Test plan is woefully lacking information, as well as a cut/paste
> job from another feature. Links to QA tests would be good since you
> seem to indicate that there are some known.
>
> * Contingency plan should list all the places documentation about this
> spin should be removed in case we don't do it, so that we don't
> advertise a non-available spin.
>
32-bit iso images are forthcoming.
I'll start hacking on the feature page now...
Nice, because that is exactly what this Feature needs ;-) The Beta
Freeze is not the "stop all development for Fedora 10 Freeze BTW", it is
just a landmark at which Features are dropped and Features are included,
which in the case of spins concerns us, very much.
Kind regards,
Jeroen van Meeuwen
-kanarip
4:06 p.m.
Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote:
Michael Thomas wrote:
> Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote:
>>
>> Since the F10 Beta Feature Freeze is coming up, this is the time to
>> sign off on the Games Spin or leave it hanging for F11.
>>
>> There's a few concerns about this spin right now:
>>
>> * Test plan is woefully lacking information, as well as a cut/paste
>> job from another feature. Links to QA tests would be good since you
>> seem to indicate that there are some known.
>>
>> * Contingency plan should list all the places documentation about
>> this spin should be removed in case we don't do it, so that we don't
>> advertise a non-available spin.
>>
> 32-bit iso images are forthcoming.
>
> I'll start hacking on the feature page now...
>
Nice, because that is exactly what this Feature needs ;-) The Beta
Freeze is not the "stop all development for Fedora 10 Freeze BTW", it is
just a landmark at which Features are dropped and Features are included,
which in the case of spins concerns us, very much.
Updated. Please let me know if I'm missing the purpose of any of the
sections on this feature page:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/GamesSpin
Regards,
--Wart
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