[Fedora-i18n-bugs] [Bug 1013949] New: Problematic shapes for some letters of the macedonian alphabet.
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Bug ID: 1013949 Summary: Problematic shapes for some letters of the macedonian alphabet. Product: Fedora Version: 20 Component: liberation-fonts Severity: high Assignee: psatpute@redhat.com Reporter: pvelkovski@gmail.com QA Contact: extras-qa@fedoraproject.org CC: fonts-bugs@lists.fedoraproject.org, i18n-bugs@lists.fedoraproject.org, petersen@redhat.com, psatpute@redhat.com
Created attachment 805748 --> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=805748&action=edit Shoes how the letters look like, and what they should look like.
Description of problem: The shape of the Regular (Normal) "Cyrillic macedonian small letter be" looks. It looks like the italic form minus the slant which is wrong!
Also the letters "macedonian cyrilic ghe" and "macedonian cyrillic gje" look inconsistent in italic form. The "macedonian cyrilic gje" should look same as "macedonian cyrilic ghe" with an added accent.
I'm attaching a pdf file that should explain the problem.
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Pravin Satpute psatpute@redhat.com changed:
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--- Comment #1 from Pravin Satpute psatpute@redhat.com --- So looks like there is little bit difference between Serbian and macedonian. Presently assumption is both Serbian and macedonian is same.
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=657849 some attachement here can show it.
I think i need to remove some of it for macedonian.
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--- Comment #2 from Petar pvelkovski@gmail.com --- Pravin Satpute I find the whole situation a bit confusing concerning the Serbian version, at least when the "b" (be) letter is concerned. Serbia and Macedonia used to be a part of a same country, Yugoslavia, and our alphabets were (and should still be) "almost" the same.
Just take a look at the wikipedia page for the Serbian cyrilic alphabet - https://sr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D1%80%D0%BF%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0_%D1%9B%D0..., or the book scan from year 1818 on the same page - https://sr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%94%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BA%D0%..., and you might come to conclusion that the regular form for their "b" (be) letter should be as the one I'm asking to be fixed in the macedonian version. The italic version, as I said is probably correct, although I fint it to be somehow too thick at the top part.
But this is the easiest part of correcting the bug I opened, since it only requires removing few rules, as long as we speak about the "be". I even managed to do this on my own using font gorge, even though I have never used it, or any other font creation software, before.
What I would really hope to see is someone more proficient with font creation fixing the "gje" shape, as it looks inceredibly inconsistent and unprofessional when used in printed documents (as of version 4.1 of LibreOffice, we can finaly froce writer to use the proper localised version of the font). The current form would be correct if it was part of a sans serif font, where italics are identical to the regular shapes, but only slanted (and aditionaly "ghe" used the same convention), while, in serif fonts, the italic forms simulate the cursive writing forms.
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--- Comment #3 from Pravin Satpute psatpute@redhat.com --- Hi Petar,
Yes as you said yes the fix was easy.
I did it for "be" Regular and Bold Version. See https://git.fedorahosted.org/cgit/liberation-fonts.git/commit/?h=liberation-...
The second issue you mentioned is "gje" U+0453. If you can provide me correct reference from some other font i can try to improve it as well.
This fix will be available with next release.
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--- Comment #4 from Petar pvelkovski@gmail.com --- Created attachment 832139 --> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=832139&action=edit Book scan showing GJE' (U+0453) and GHE' (U+0433) in italic
A scan showing GJE' (U+0453) and GHE' (U+0433). I'm almost certain that the font used was obtained from some firm that produces professional typefaces - it's printed in Italy. It's hard finding good example from a macedonian book, because GJE' (U+0453) does not appear very often in centences, and where it does, usually the font is normal, instead of italic (as expected).
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--- Comment #5 from Petar pvelkovski@gmail.com --- Created attachment 832140 --> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=832140&action=edit Magazine scan showing GJE' (U+0453) and GHE' (U+0433) in italic
This scan shows alternative look for GHE' (U+0433) and GJE' (U+0453) accordingly. GHE' (U+0433) here looks closer to the GHE' (U+0433) used in the bulgarian locale, but still very different from it, and GJE' (U+0453) is consistent with it shape (bulgarians don't have GJE' (U+0453)). But this would requre more extensive change which is probably not necesarry, unless we enter into discussion about which version is stylisticaly closer to the Liberartion Serif style.
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--- Comment #6 from Pravin Satpute psatpute@redhat.com --- Thanks for references. Might be i will take some time for it. Will be good if you can open new bugs and provide these references so we can be more concentrate on particular issue.
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--- Comment #12 from Pravin Satpute psatpute@redhat.com --- Some part of this bug still not resolved. Moving to rawhide, since this fix required in Liberation fonts itself.
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