On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 9:13 PM, A. Mani <a.mani.cms(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: So this means from now on Fedora is part of such hate text against India ? I wonder about sanity of the people who approved this to be part of Fedora event. Kushal

On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 9:13 PM, A. Mani <a.mani.cms(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: All in all it is a very difficult and sensible topic to discuss - even outside a geek world! Fedora is about Software, but also as a Community Project it is dealing with people and values and about "doing the right thing". We especially as Ambassadors have to be careful if a campaign hurts people feelings with extreme statements - how good your intentions might be - obviously there are feelings hurt. And if you are using Fedora to co-brand a political campaign, please put some extra brain in the preparation. Why was this event a success? Because of the discussion started? I can not say if the statements in the report are too extreme or just meant as a provocation to get a discussion going on. At least - imho - the people i met in your incredible country and the discussion around IPC section 377 to decriminalise LGBT people in India show a different picture to the outside world. cu Joerg btw. where can i see the winner posters -- Joerg (kital) Simon jsimon(a)fedoraproject.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon http://kitall.blogspot.com Key Fingerprint: 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688

On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 7:06 PM, steve <steve(a)lonetwin.net&gt; wrote: [snip] contribution is contribution. how does lgbt contribution to tech make any sense at all? -- Anurag <0xB20A82C1> http://web.gnuer.org/blog/

| erm, Hate text ? What are you speaking about ? ...ah, you confused it with the truth ! Just closing your eyes to the very real |problems in this country doesn't automatically make them go away. Saying that we live in a great country where anything like |what the text mentioned just doesn't exist or is false or hateful doesn't change jack s**t ! I, for one, applaud the direct 'un-minced' |words in that announcement. That said ... Dear Steve I completely agree with what Kushal Das said, There is a need to rephrase some part of it.... Lets take some part of report..... *>India is a backward country* *India is not a backward country...its developing Country* * * *>**in which majority of the people are illiterate* * * *Literacy** rate in India was 74.04 % in 2011 that leaves **25.96 % **illiterate...now is this a majority ?? ** * On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 7:20 PM, steve <steve(a)lonetwin.net&gt; wrote: -- Akshay vyas (http://www.gofedora.in)

To the organizers of this event : Drifting apart from the general discussion on whether India is such an evil place (as mentioned in the writeup [1]) or not, I'd say that I do not see any logic in associating this with Fedora as well as free software moment. There are many social forums for that and talking to NGOs, staging protests and creating a social awareness movement might seriously help if you choose to feel so strongly about it. Again, HDI is not of importance here on the list for now. We surely lack a lot of things and I too agree with that but dragging this in the FOSS context is not fruitful in my opinion. What is OK then? How about free software awareness campaigns in schools, computer education lectures in schools, forming groups and encouraging young tech-savvy women to be part of WFS-India (a good initiative), generating awareness in rural environment/rural management about use of foss tools, OLPC kind of stuff etc is much more valuable and can be easily related with this. "poster competition on women's, LGBT and gender-related issues in India using free software tools as part of the extended Cultural Freedom Day celebrations" is too long a shot to actually achieve anything valuable. If you say so and all results are disputed, how come the text at [1] says in black and white that "India is a backward country in which majority of the people are illiterate and most of those who are literate have no sex education." It could have said that "we have quite some way to go in terms of establishing better sex education and achieving high literacy targets in India" This way we won't be wasting so many and electrons writing so many mails on the lists To conclude and keep your spirits high, "Whatever you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it" ~MK Gandhi Back to code! Au revoir :) [1] http://www.ilug-cal.info/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&i... -- Suchakra

On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 7:06 PM, steve <steve(a)lonetwin.net&gt; wrote: This whole discussion is meaningless as a part of this mailing list. You should also read the discussion on the Ambassador list [1] Ambassadors ensure the public understand Fedora's principles and the work that Fedora is doing. Additionally Ambassadors are responsible for helping to grow the contributor base, and to act as a liaison between other FLOSS projects and the Fedora community." This event never matched to that description of work as an Ambassador. people who love, use, and build free software. We want to lead in the creation and spread of free code and content by working together as a community." Again I do not see any match. [1] https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/ambassadors/2013-July/021422.html [2] http://fedoraproject.org/en/about-fedora Kushal -- http://fedoraproject.org http://kushaldas.in

On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 7:54 PM, steve <steve(a)lonetwin.net&gt; wrote: <snipped> My mistake, sorry :) Kushal