On Thu, Sep 2, 2021 at 8:23 PM Matthew Miller <mattdm@fedoraproject.org> wrote:
On Thu, Sep 02, 2021 at 07:32:37PM +0100, Leigh Griffin wrote:
> FAS aside as that's mandatory let's look at what we have and what we can
> move to. The current Fedora messaging integration relates really heavily to
> "capture all the things" and then award Badges. I'm wondering how valuable
> and incentive driven that is given many Badges are passively earned. With a
> new system its a new chance to reimagine what a Badge should be awarded
> for. That might give flexibility and not a hard coupling at a system level
> to Fedora Messaging. Could the levels be inferred from another app and
> awarded even manually once a time period for example

Well, I do not want to move from automated processes to something where a
human needs to take a long time checking lists and pushing buttons. That's a
recipe for the whole thing to just stop working. In fact, if anything, I'd
like to see us automate as many badges that are now manual as possible.


I'm generally all for Automation but that creates a glue layer that becomes a thing that unless developed and actively maintained and can put us right back at a conversation point when tech stacks move forward :) 

Plus, instant gratification is important -- waiting for someone to do it
once a quarter will absolutely not be as effective as letting someone earn
their badges in the middle of the night when they feel inspired.

Are there any insights or quantifiable data about the impact Badges have? Is it a subset of Badges that are more impactful? What I'm trying to get at here is are all Badges equal or are a subset more valuable and hence something to maybe bring to the design level conversations?


But anyway, I'm pretty sure that there are things which we _do_ want from
both Fedora Accounts and the message bus. This amount of observability into
actions people take is really powerful and one of the reasons we can do cool
things in the first place.

Out of curiosity, what does the observability drive or end up at? I'd love to tie that closer to the need and ask as we explore this with the community  

So once that's needed, I don't think there's really much difference between
needing 10 and needing 10,000 -- both are more than 1.

Needing no, for sure, maintaining and building, possibly :P 



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