Hi
Is there any major roadblocks to redirecting fedora.redhat.com to fedoraproject.org? There is a lot of outdated misleading content there that searches point out to. Could we do this before the Fedora 7 release please?
Rahul
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Hi
Is there any major roadblocks to redirecting fedora.redhat.com to fedoraproject.org? There is a lot of outdated misleading content there that searches point out to. Could we do this before the Fedora 7 release please?
Blockers are tons of content, official redhat docs that point to f.rh.c and our official docs.
-Mike
Mike McGrath wrote:
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Hi
Is there any major roadblocks to redirecting fedora.redhat.com to fedoraproject.org? There is a lot of outdated misleading content there that searches point out to. Could we do this before the Fedora 7 release please?
Blockers are tons of content, official redhat docs that point to f.rh.c and our official docs.
There isnt really any content left worth keeping which is in fedora.redhat.com except for the f.r.c/docs. We could redirect everything else to fedoraproject.org
Rahul
How about talking with Karsten Wade to get all docs in Docs/Draft or something like Docs/Old... then (at least for the docs part) we could ditch f.rh.c
Paulo
On 3/4/07, Rahul Sundaram sundaram@fedoraproject.org wrote:
Mike McGrath wrote:
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Hi
Is there any major roadblocks to redirecting fedora.redhat.com to fedoraproject.org? There is a lot of outdated misleading content there that searches point out to. Could we do this before the Fedora 7 release please?
Blockers are tons of content, official redhat docs that point to f.rh.c and our official docs.
There isnt really any content left worth keeping which is in fedora.redhat.com except for the f.r.c/docs. We could redirect everything else to fedoraproject.org
Rahul
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Paulo Santos wrote:
How about talking with Karsten Wade to get all docs in Docs/Draft or something like Docs/Old... then (at least for the docs part) we could ditch f.rh.c
Paulo
I have already done that. The problem there is that there is some PHP code running in fedora.redhat.com backend that helps publishing content. That needs to directly move to fedoraproject.org if that is ok or rewritten in Python or something more suitable for the infrastructure folks. I would prefer that we treat f.r.c/docs as a exception and redirect all the other pages to equivalent fedoraproject.org wiki pages or just the home page asap or deal with the docs content move later.
Rahul
On Sun, 2007-03-04 at 23:21 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Paulo Santos wrote:
How about talking with Karsten Wade to get all docs in Docs/Draft or something like Docs/Old... then (at least for the docs part) we could ditch f.rh.c
Paulo
I have already done that. The problem there is that there is some PHP code running in fedora.redhat.com backend that helps publishing content.
If no new content is being published to f.r.c then why don't we just make the site static and disable all the code altogether?
-sv
seth vidal wrote:
On Sun, 2007-03-04 at 23:21 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Paulo Santos wrote:
How about talking with Karsten Wade to get all docs in Docs/Draft or something like Docs/Old... then (at least for the docs part) we could ditch f.rh.c
Paulo
I have already done that. The problem there is that there is some PHP code running in fedora.redhat.com backend that helps publishing content.
If no new content is being published to f.r.c then why don't we just make the site static and disable all the code altogether?
f.r.c/docs does get updated now and then. New guides, release notes etc. Rest of the content can just be redirected. There is no new other content being added there and we have equivalent or better versions in fp.o wiki except for /docs.
Rahul
On Mon, 2007-03-05 at 00:48 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
seth vidal wrote:
On Sun, 2007-03-04 at 23:21 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Paulo Santos wrote:
How about talking with Karsten Wade to get all docs in Docs/Draft or something like Docs/Old... then (at least for the docs part) we could ditch f.rh.c
Paulo
I have already done that. The problem there is that there is some PHP code running in fedora.redhat.com backend that helps publishing content.
If no new content is being published to f.r.c then why don't we just make the site static and disable all the code altogether?
f.r.c/docs does get updated now and then. New guides, release notes etc. Rest of the content can just be redirected. There is no new other content being added there and we have equivalent or better versions in fp.o wiki except for /docs.
If the site is still being updated then it doesn't make sense to get rid of it, does it. And can someone on the docs team tell us what the fabled php scripts do? It sure doesn't seem like they're doing much b/c it all seems like static content to me.
-sv
On Sun, 2007-03-04 at 14:22 -0500, seth vidal wrote:
If the site is still being updated then it doesn't make sense to get rid of it, does it. And can someone on the docs team tell us what the fabled php scripts do? It sure doesn't seem like they're doing much b/c it all seems like static content to me.
PHP is used to build static pages that are pulled from CVS. When a page is updated, we tag it in CVS with LIVE and a cronjob at :15 and :45 pick it up and rebuild the page.
So, there is some script run by cron and a script we use in /cvs/fedora/web/scripts/dotphp2dothtml.sh. The latter's purpose is to take DocBook output HTML and wrap it in the PHP includes that give the f.rh.c theme and navigation.
- Karsten
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
folks. I would prefer that we treat f.r.c/docs as a exception and redirect all the other pages to equivalent fedoraproject.org wiki pages or just the home page asap or deal with the docs content move later.
Last time we hastily moved f.r.c to point to fedoraproject.org I believe some things broke (and not necessarily just due to load issues). I may be recalling things incorrectly though or perhaps those issues have been resolved since then. This happened at the Core 6 release and those few days were pretty crazy.
In either case, I think such a move requires just a little more thought than just swinging f.r.c. to point to fedoraproject.org. Rather than moving things and seeing what breaks, perhaps we could see the f.r.c web logs and see what people are hitting and then determine the exact ramifications of such a move. Perhaps it will be an easy move this time - but at least with a little due diligence up front there are no (well, fewer ;) ) surprises.
--Jeffrey
On Sun, 2007-03-04 at 14:13 -0500, Jeffrey Tadlock wrote:
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
folks. I would prefer that we treat f.r.c/docs as a exception and redirect all the other pages to equivalent fedoraproject.org wiki pages or just the home page asap or deal with the docs content move later.
Last time we hastily moved f.r.c to point to fedoraproject.org I believe some things broke (and not necessarily just due to load issues). I may be recalling things incorrectly though or perhaps those issues have been resolved since then. This happened at the Core 6 release and those few days were pretty crazy.
In either case, I think such a move requires just a little more thought than just swinging f.r.c. to point to fedoraproject.org. Rather than moving things and seeing what breaks, perhaps we could see the f.r.c web logs and see what people are hitting and then determine the exact ramifications of such a move. Perhaps it will be an easy move this time
- but at least with a little due diligence up front there are no (well,
fewer ;) ) surprises.
+1 on checking the logs.
-sv
On Sun, 2007-03-04 at 22:38 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
There isnt really any content left worth keeping which is in fedora.redhat.com except for the f.r.c/docs. We could redirect everything else to fedoraproject.org
Because of the pointers that go to f.rh.c pages, we would want the pointers from there to go to specific fp.o pages v. a generic redirect-all-to-fp.org/wiki rule.
We could do that with a place-holder index.html that has a META REFRESH set to go to a specific page, from each location on the tree. Is there anything less kludgy than that?
- Karsten
On Sun, 2007-03-04 at 17:02 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Hi
Is there any major roadblocks to redirecting fedora.redhat.com to fedoraproject.org? There is a lot of outdated misleading content there that searches point out to. Could we do this before the Fedora 7 release please?
Everyone who needed to be happened to be on #fedora-docs. I'm filling out an RFR to request this be done, and we'll continue to hash out the details in this thread.
So far, the details I see are:
1. Replicate the infrastructure that makes the f.rh.c/docs content work, either 1:1 copy or feature replacement.
2. Put this up at docs.fedoraproject.org
3. Redirect pages from f.rh.c to specific locations in fp.o project pages => wiki/ProjectName About => wiki/Communicate other content => wiki/OtherContent etc. /mirrors => mirrors.fedoraproject.org /docs => docs.fedoraproject.org etc.
4. As each page is redirected, that part of f.rh.c is considered "turned off". - Can we set something in robots.txt to expire the content?
- Karsten
On Sun, Mar 04, 2007 at 05:02:59PM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Hi
Is there any major roadblocks to redirecting fedora.redhat.com to fedoraproject.org? There is a lot of outdated misleading content there that searches point out to. Could we do this before the Fedora 7 release please?
The master mirror lists are populated at f.r.c/Download/*. That can go away with the new mirrormanager rollout over the next month, but not before we're ready to convert that content to mirrormanager for live.
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