On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 07:22:42AM -0400, Miguel M. wrote:

On Apr 21, 2016 5:18 AM, "Pierre-Yves Chibon" pingou@pingoured.fr wrote:

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However, as I see us starting to look at JS for some of our apps

(fedora-hubs,

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wartaa...), I wonder if we could start the discussion early about the

different

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framework and eventually see if we can unify around one. This would also allow those of us not familiar with any JS framework to

look at

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the recommended one instead of picking one up semi-randomly.

Just to clarify, some apps are starting to use nodeJS for backend development?

I do not think we're there yet, but I hear more and more interest in frontend framework such as angularjs or reactjs.

So I guess I should have specified front-end JS framework.

Pierre

On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 08:17:50PM +0530, Ratnadeep Debnath wrote:

Hi,

On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 2:46 PM, Pierre-Yves Chibon pingou@pingoured.fr wrote:

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Good Morning Everyone,

Our infrastructure is mostly a python store, meaning almost all our apps are written in python and most using wsgi. However in python we are using a number of framework:

• flask for most
• pyramid for some of the biggest (bodhi, FAS3)
• Django (askbot, Hyperkitty)
• TurboGears2 (fedora-packages)
• aiohttp (python3, async app: mdapi)

While this makes sometime things difficult, these are fairly standard framework and most of our developers are able to help on all.

Although there are a number of pros for the above approach, I'd like to highlight a few downsides too:

• UI and backend development are tightly coupled
• HTML responses from backend are not that reusable
• Not ready for multi platforms

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However, as I see us starting to look at JS for some of our apps (fedora-hubs, wartaa...), I wonder if we could start the discussion early about the different framework and eventually see if we can unify around one. This would also allow those of us not familiar with any JS framework to look at the recommended one instead of picking one up semi-randomly.

So has anyone experience with one or more JS framework? Do you have one that would you recommend? Why?

After doing quite a lot of reading on ReactJS vs Angular2, and based on instinct, I prefer React because:

• lean and thin, less react specific jargon, mostly javascript
• initially it might have a bit of more learning curve, but once you

get the hang of it, it becomes easier. Unlike Angular2, which is easy to start, but the learning curve, gets steeper and steeper as you progress

• React shows errors at compile time itself, rather than on runtime

like Angular2

• React is lightweight and has a simple API. You don't need to read

react's source code to understand what's happening

On the other hand:

• Angular2 is a richer framework, easy for new developers to get started with
• I love how nativescript allows you to write native apps for mobile

platforms using Angular2, allowing 80% code reuse

You can find some useful reads at [1], [2].

We should also give some thought to the framework(s) that:

(1) have robust upstream communities themselves, with active development where appropriate, and

(2) have massive uptake in the overall developer realm beyond just our current contributors;

...and balance that against perceived technical excellence, purity, etc. This way we can grow or maintain our ability to on-ramp new contributors to projects we work on.

Really nice rundown, Eric, thanks for that.

I've worked closely with some really great frontend dev teams in the last couple of years and I vote for React. The reason for this is that it seems for be preferred for efficient one way databinding which is a lot of the context for infrastructure applications (monitoring, viewing information, etc.) though it can still do the interactivity we'd need. Angular2 is causing my current team quite a lot of grief, though they are solid pros, and like Angular in general. I think it's probably overblown for what we want in this context.

We really should standardize an appy kind of stack. There's another thread talking about setting up dev boxes for infrastructure with docker or vagrant, and the ideal onramp I think would be to just pull down a scaffold (or generate one) into such a box for the premium infrastructure development experience. :)

On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 3:25 AM, Eric Barbour ebarbour@redhat.com wrote:

Choosing React can also mean no PhantomJS hacks to keep SEO which I have found to be a pain with Angular in the past.

+1

On Wed, May 11, 2022 at 02:08:55PM +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote:

Hm, is this some favorite SPAM thread?

Yeah, it must have some search engine mojo for JS Frameworks.

I hope any future spammers realize that we will unsubscribe them, block them from resubscribing and remove their posts from the archives, so really they aren't going to gain anything from it at all. ;(

kevin