The infrastructure team will be having it's weekly meeting tomorrow, 2014-08-21 at 18:00 UTC in #fedora-meeting on the freenode network.
Suggested topics:
#topic New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks.
If any new folks want to give a quick one line bio or any apprentices would like to ask general questions, they can do so in this part of the meeting. Don't be shy!
#topic Applications status / discussion
Check in on status of our applications: pkgdb, fas, bodhi, koji, community, voting, tagger, packager, dpsearch, etc. If there's new releases, bugs we need to work around or things to note.
#topic Sysadmin status / discussion
Here we talk about sysadmin related happenings from the previous week, or things that are upcoming.
#topic nagios/alerts recap
Here we go over the last weeks alerts and see if we can find ways to make it so they don't happen again.
#topic Upcoming Tasks/Items
https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/list/infrastructure/
#topic Open Floor
Submit your agenda items, as tickets in the trac instance and send a note replying to this thread.
More info here:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/Meetings#Meetings
Thanks
kevin
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Meeting started by nirik at 18:00:04 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2014-08-21/infrastructure.20... .
Meeting summary --------------- * aloha (nirik, 18:00:05)
* New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks (nirik, 18:02:05) * LINK: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCXCgsmQuSY&feature=youtu.be (nirik, 18:06:04)
* Applications status / discussion (nirik, 18:09:04) * new pkgdb2 release in production this week. (nirik, 18:09:28) * critpath lists are now working again. (nirik, 18:09:50) * infrastructure jenkins is updated to the latest plugins, etc. (nirik, 18:10:22) * taskotron in stg/dev is going along fine, probibly won't be in production until after alpha now. (nirik, 18:10:46) * we're almost at 10 million fedmsg messages all time (threebean, 18:11:32) * LINK: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/datagrepper/ (threebean, 18:11:36) * GlitterGallery release process planned to be started within this week (banas, 18:11:56) * LINK: http://piratepad.net/FMN-opt-out (threebean, 18:12:15) * LINK: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=7435960 <-- the screenshot is horrifying (pjones, 18:23:03)
* Sysadmin status / discussion (nirik, 18:24:00) * retrace servers have been handed off to retrace folks. They are setting things up on them now. (nirik, 18:24:22) * memcached is now setup to restart on exit and also is monitored in nagios (nirik, 18:30:11) * staging and prod are now once again blocked from talking to each other via firewall rules. (nirik, 18:30:35)
* nagios/alerts recap (nirik, 18:31:28)
* Upcoming Tasks/Items (nirik, 18:35:00) * LINK: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/list/infrastructure/ (nirik, 18:35:00) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_MirrorManager2_FAS3_2014 (nirik, 18:36:45)
* Open Floor (nirik, 18:40:23)
Meeting ended at 18:44:41 UTC.
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Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:00:04 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 18:00:05 <nirik> #meetingname infrastructure 18:00:05 <nirik> #topic aloha 18:00:05 <nirik> #chair smooge relrod nirik abadger1999 lmacken dgilmore mdomsch threebean pingou puiterwijk 18:00:05 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'infrastructure' 18:00:05 <zodbot> Current chairs: abadger1999 dgilmore lmacken mdomsch nirik pingou puiterwijk relrod smooge threebean 18:00:10 * threebean is here 18:00:14 * puiterwijk is arround 18:00:20 * relrod here 18:00:25 <mpduty> is here 18:00:29 * banas is here as well 18:00:44 * bochecha is here 18:01:04 * lmacken 18:01:19 * adimania is here 18:01:51 * lanica is here for the infra meeting. 18:02:02 <nirik> hello everyone. ;) lets go ahead and get started... 18:02:05 <nirik> #topic New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks 18:02:14 <nirik> any new folks? or apprentices with questions/comments/ideas? 18:03:08 <mpduty> can there be an IRC class on ansible? 18:03:15 <banas> I can't remember if this is the slot I'm supposed to update - but work on GG is going good, as per schedule :) 18:03:17 <sart> is here in an un-italicized fashion 18:03:43 <nirik> mpduty: we had one a while back, we could do another if there's interest, sure. ;) 18:04:49 <banas> we had to skip two gg meetings because I was at Flock, and now the whole team is sick, so we just decided to do it next week. 18:04:52 <mpduty> nirik, well I don't know but some newcomers would be able to learn things faster I feel 18:05:08 <mpduty> including myself 18:05:20 * mirek-hm is late, but here 18:05:26 <nirik> mpduty: sure, we could ask on the list if folks are interested. I'm happy to do some intro one. We also had a nice intro at flock that was recorded... ;) 18:05:29 <sart> <-- long-time newcomer 18:05:35 * adimania thinks that it might be helpful to everyone 18:06:04 <nirik> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCXCgsmQuSY&feature=youtu.be 18:06:18 * lbazan here 18:06:25 <mpduty> thanks I shall go through that 18:06:33 <nirik> welcome sart. ;) 18:07:06 <sart> thanks and ty for the intro vid 18:08:11 <nirik> ok, any other new folks or questions? 18:08:31 * pjones waves hello 18:08:48 <nirik> hey pjones. :) 18:09:04 <nirik> #topic Applications status / discussion 18:09:18 <nirik> pingou wasn't able to make it but had a few things for me to pass on: 18:09:28 <nirik> #info new pkgdb2 release in production this week. 18:09:50 <nirik> #info critpath lists are now working again. 18:10:22 <nirik> #info infrastructure jenkins is updated to the latest plugins, etc. 18:10:29 <nirik> also, tflink wanted to share: 18:10:46 <nirik> #info taskotron in stg/dev is going along fine, probibly won't be in production until after alpha now. 18:11:06 <nirik> any other applications news? 18:11:32 <threebean> #info we're almost at 10 million fedmsg messages all time 18:11:36 <threebean> https://apps.fedoraproject.org/datagrepper/ 18:11:38 <threebean> :P 18:11:56 <banas> #info GlitterGallery release process planned to be started within this week 18:12:09 <nirik> threebean: nice. :) 18:12:13 <threebean> also, we started a scratch pad for discussing promoting FMN from an opt-in service to an opt-out service (for packagers) 18:12:15 <threebean> http://piratepad.net/FMN-opt-out 18:12:20 <lmacken> threebean: woot! 18:12:47 <lmacken> threebean: 10mil & 1TiB+ of traffic? :) 18:12:50 <nirik> do we need bodhi2 in place? 18:13:07 <threebean> optimizations pushed out last friday seem to have FMN keeping it's workload under control. 18:13:11 <threebean> .tiny https://admin.fedoraproject.org/collectd/bin/graph.cgi?hostname=notifs-backe... 18:13:12 <zodbot> threebean: http://tinyurl.com/le9xywt 18:13:35 <pjones> threebean: and *very* few of those are me trying to game badges 18:13:44 <threebean> pjones: almost none 18:13:58 <threebean> ;) 18:14:35 <lmacken> threebean: didn't the optimizations DoS FAS though? 18:15:22 <threebean> they did :/ (although only once at startup) 18:15:28 <nirik> we have been seeing fas servers complain the last few days... 18:15:36 <nirik> but I haven't had a chance to look at what might be causing it. 18:15:57 <threebean> many threads all trying to cache fas at the same time - fixed in git http://da.gd/BW60H 18:16:21 <threebean> nirik: I think only some of those are related to fmn, which should only be doing this at startup. 18:16:39 <threebean> I'd think the fas problems would have gone down due to the fedmsg-fasclient stuff pingou pushed out.. :/ 18:16:54 <nirik> yeah. theres a lot less runs of that for sure. 18:17:06 <nirik> but something is still causing them to start swapping. 18:17:14 <nirik> more investigation needed 18:18:39 <nirik> we have also seen recently openvpn hitting cpu limits. 18:18:45 <nirik> might be related, not sure. 18:19:02 <lmacken> nirik: were you thinking that was related to outbound email? 18:19:18 <nirik> thought so at first, but I was looking at the wrong thing. ;) 18:19:20 <lmacken> i've been seeing a lot more fedmsg error spam, along with the usual batch of fedora-packages 200k mails :P 18:19:23 <lmacken> oh, okay. 18:19:36 <nirik> If you sniff the traffic on the openvpn tun device you only see traffic going to the node you are on. 18:19:50 <nirik> if you sniff the eth device you see all the vpn streams, etc. 18:20:05 <nirik> it looked last night like proxy02 was pushing a lot more than the others, but that might have just been at that time 18:20:33 <nirik> I'll keep trying to isolate it. 18:21:16 <nirik> Any other application news? :) 18:21:21 <lmacken> when do we freeze? 18:21:31 * threebean forgot about freeze 18:22:14 <nirik> when we have a viable test compose. ;) 18:22:16 <pjones> some time after dgilmore winds up having working trees for all the stuff. 18:22:23 <pjones> which is... taking a while. 18:22:24 <nirik> yeah... hopefully soon. 18:22:32 <nirik> so many bugs. 18:22:56 <pjones> nirik: looks like createImage is still busting on cloud-atomic? 18:23:03 <pjones> http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=7435960 <-- the screenshot is horrifying 18:23:11 <nirik> pjones: yeah, boggling. ;( 18:23:20 <pjones> but now I'm just interrupting 18:23:46 <nirik> we all like a good horror sideshow. ;) 18:24:00 <nirik> #topic Sysadmin status / discussion 18:24:06 <nirik> so, on the sysadmin side of things... 18:24:22 <nirik> #info retrace servers have been handed off to retrace folks. They are setting things up on them now. 18:24:32 <nirik> thanks to smooge for getting those all installed. 18:25:14 <nirik> There's the openvpn and fas hiccups we have been seeing, but we already mentioned those. 18:25:25 <lmacken> pjones: if only that used chained exceptions in py3, that screenshot might be a bit more useful :\ 18:25:34 <nirik> We still have qa09 and virthost-comm03 to setup as new machines. 18:25:50 <pjones> lmacken: Eh, I think it's just saying the image the python loaded from is corrupt. I doubt the exception is meaningful at all. 18:26:03 <lmacken> pjones: yeah, looks like an exception in the exception handler :\ 18:27:37 <nirik> there's also a bit of discussion ongoing about netapp space (since we are getting very dangerously full on our koji storage) 18:27:47 <nirik> hopefully there will be some good news there sometime soon. 18:27:58 <threebean> hm, turns out that our staging and production environments weren't firewalled off from one another anymore after the switch to ansible. that's fixed up now. 18:28:23 <nirik> oh yeah, thanks much for fixing that. 18:28:39 <threebean> np. things might behave funny while it shakes out. 18:28:50 <nirik> I've so far not seen any fallout from that... 18:28:56 <nirik> but that doesn't mean we won't hit some 18:30:11 <nirik> #info memcached is now setup to restart on exit and also is monitored in nagios 18:30:35 <nirik> #info staging and prod are now once again blocked from talking to each other via firewall rules. 18:31:28 <nirik> #topic nagios/alerts recap 18:31:33 <nirik> this should be fun this week... 18:31:37 * nirik digs up link 18:32:11 <nirik> .tiny https://admin.fedoraproject.org/nagios/cgi-bin//summary.cgi?alerttypes=3&... 18:32:11 <zodbot> nirik: http://tinyurl.com/ms5u5qm 18:32:17 <nirik> I think thats right. 18:32:59 <nirik> no, not right. 18:33:30 <nirik> .tiny https://admin.fedoraproject.org/nagios/cgi-bin//summary.cgi?report=1&dis... 18:33:31 <zodbot> nirik: http://tinyurl.com/koaopnc 18:34:03 <nirik> almost all of those are due to the vpn issue. 18:34:15 <nirik> the server hits 100% cpu and starts dropping packets. 18:35:00 <nirik> #topic Upcoming Tasks/Items 18:35:00 <nirik> https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/list/infrastructure/ 18:35:12 <nirik> anything upcoming folks would like to schedule or note? 18:35:18 <nirik> the freeze is hopefully coming up soon. 18:36:19 <nirik> Also, we are in the early planning stages for another FAD in december... 18:36:45 <nirik> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_MirrorManager2_FAS3_2014 18:36:54 <adimania> would remote participation be possible? 18:36:59 <nirik> absolutely. 18:37:41 <adimania> cool. Flying is very expensive in my part of the world :( 18:37:42 <nirik> it's very subject to change right now, just sounding out if it will be possible and useful. 18:37:56 <threebean> just to note: i'm on some on-again, off-again vacation for the next two weeks. (I'll be around on tuesdays and thursdays) 18:38:10 <lmacken> yeah, there's a good chance that I won't be in Denver during that time 18:38:18 <nirik> threebean: cool. 18:38:24 <sart> I'm definitely interested if I'm not at work (or possibly if so but work is completely dead, which it may be that time of year... ) 18:38:29 <lmacken> so a backup location is definitely needed 18:38:29 <nirik> lmacken: fun. :) So, we might want to pick another place or time 18:39:10 <nirik> yeah, we will come up with something. ;) 18:39:44 <nirik> Oh, I should mention that I am likely going to be traveling the latter part of september... 18:40:23 <nirik> #topic Open Floor 18:40:38 <nirik> anyone have anything for open floor? comments, suggestions, ideas, favorate cookies? 18:41:47 <lanica> mmm�cookies. 18:42:10 * adimania eats 18:42:16 <threebean> encrypted browser cookies? 18:42:16 * adimania nom nom nom 18:42:28 <nirik> chocolate chip. ;) Or molassass sugar. nom. 18:42:39 <sart> oatmeal butterscotch 18:43:46 <nirik> alrighty. If nothing else will close out in a minute... (to go find cookies) 18:44:11 <lanica> Good meeting�later all! 18:44:39 <nirik> Thanks for coming everyone. Lets all continue in #fedora-admin, #fedora-apps and #fedora-noc. 18:44:41 <nirik> #endmeeting
On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 12:45:29PM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
18:36:19 <nirik> Also, we are in the early planning stages for another FAD in december... 18:36:45 <nirik> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_MirrorManager2_FAS3_2014 18:36:54 <adimania> would remote participation be possible? 18:36:59 <nirik> absolutely. 18:37:41 <adimania> cool. Flying is very expensive in my part of the world :( 18:37:42 <nirik> it's very subject to change right now, just sounding out if it will be possible and useful. 18:37:56 <threebean> just to note: i'm on some on-again, off-again vacation for the next two weeks. (I'll be around on tuesdays and thursdays) 18:38:10 <lmacken> yeah, there's a good chance that I won't be in Denver during that time 18:38:18 <nirik> threebean: cool. 18:38:24 <sart> I'm definitely interested if I'm not at work (or possibly if so but work is completely dead, which it may be that time of year... ) 18:38:29 <lmacken> so a backup location is definitely needed 18:38:29 <nirik> lmacken: fun. :) So, we might want to pick another place or time
We may want to pick another place but for the time period I think this one works best for Matt and I for 2014.
Other options: (*: question, +: pro, -: con) ► Denver? * Kevin, do you know of a place we could have access to to work? ► Houston? + IIRC Matt isn't too far from it + there are direct flights from AMS to there - Do we have a local contact? ► Boston? + RH office - Flying there in December might make the traveling "interesting" ► Raleigh? + RH office and facilities there - No-one that signed up on the wiki is located near so we all have to travel ► ?
Any suggestions/ideas?
Pierre
On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 12:31:53PM +0200, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote:
On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 12:45:29PM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
18:36:19 <nirik> Also, we are in the early planning stages for another FAD in december... 18:36:45 <nirik> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_MirrorManager2_FAS3_2014 18:36:54 <adimania> would remote participation be possible? 18:36:59 <nirik> absolutely. 18:37:41 <adimania> cool. Flying is very expensive in my part of the world :( 18:37:42 <nirik> it's very subject to change right now, just sounding out if it will be possible and useful. 18:37:56 <threebean> just to note: i'm on some on-again, off-again vacation for the next two weeks. (I'll be around on tuesdays and thursdays) 18:38:10 <lmacken> yeah, there's a good chance that I won't be in Denver during that time 18:38:18 <nirik> threebean: cool. 18:38:24 <sart> I'm definitely interested if I'm not at work (or possibly if so but work is completely dead, which it may be that time of year... ) 18:38:29 <lmacken> so a backup location is definitely needed 18:38:29 <nirik> lmacken: fun. :) So, we might want to pick another place or time
We may want to pick another place but for the time period I think this one works best for Matt and I for 2014.
Other options: (*: question, +: pro, -: con) ► Denver?
- Kevin, do you know of a place we could have access to to work?
► Houston?
- IIRC Matt isn't too far from it
- there are direct flights from AMS to there
- Do we have a local contact?
► Boston?
- RH office
- Flying there in December might make the traveling "interesting"
► Raleigh?
- RH office and facilities there
- No-one that signed up on the wiki is located near so we all have to travel
► ?
I did not include Amsterdam is the list above but for completeness' sake:
► Amsterdam? + RH office + Easy for Patrick, Xavier and Pingou to get there - Expensive for Matt, Kevin, Ralph, Toshio and David - Probably too much traveling for a 2 days hackfest for Matt (and Toshio?)
Pierre
On Fri, 22 Aug 2014 12:37:29 +0200 Pierre-Yves Chibon pingou@pingoured.fr wrote:
We may want to pick another place but for the time period I think this one works best for Matt and I for 2014.
Other options: (*: question, +: pro, -: con) ► Denver?
- Kevin, do you know of a place we could have access to to work?
I don't off hand. If we are willing to pay a bit I think we could reserve space at a hotel or the like. I'm not sure network will be great, but most places have meeting rooms you can get and also that would be handy for people staying there.
However, if it's just me thats here, it might make sense to try and find a location that would be cheaper for everyone to go to and find meeting space there?
► Houston?
- IIRC Matt isn't too far from it
- there are direct flights from AMS to there
- Do we have a local contact?
I think tibbs might be near there... not sure if he has time to help out, but we could ask.
► Boston?
- RH office
- Flying there in December might make the traveling "interesting"
► Raleigh?
- RH office and facilities there
- No-one that signed up on the wiki is located near so we all
have to travel ► ?
I did not include Amsterdam is the list above but for completeness' sake:
► Amsterdam?
- RH office
- Easy for Patrick, Xavier and Pingou to get there
- Expensive for Matt, Kevin, Ralph, Toshio and David
- Probably too much traveling for a 2 days hackfest for Matt (and
Toshio?)
Yeah. If we have more us people we probibly want to look at us just to keep costs down.
What are the cheapest/easiest US cities for the eu folks to fly into?
kevin
On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 09:03:51AM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
On Fri, 22 Aug 2014 12:37:29 +0200 Pierre-Yves Chibon pingou@pingoured.fr wrote:
We may want to pick another place but for the time period I think this one works best for Matt and I for 2014.
Other options: (*: question, +: pro, -: con) ► Denver?
- Kevin, do you know of a place we could have access to to work?
I don't off hand. If we are willing to pay a bit I think we could reserve space at a hotel or the like. I'm not sure network will be great, but most places have meeting rooms you can get and also that would be handy for people staying there.
However, if it's just me thats here, it might make sense to try and find a location that would be cheaper for everyone to go to and find meeting space there?
Kevin, can you look into coworking spaces? There are usually a few of these in most metro areas. They're relatively affordable, often more so than hotel meeting space, and also usually more comfortable work environment. I found this one:
http://densitycoworking.com/space/
► Houston?
- IIRC Matt isn't too far from it
- there are direct flights from AMS to there
- Do we have a local contact?
I think tibbs might be near there... not sure if he has time to help out, but we could ask.
► Boston?
- RH office
- Flying there in December might make the traveling "interesting"
► Raleigh?
- RH office and facilities there
- No-one that signed up on the wiki is located near so we all
have to travel ► ?
I did not include Amsterdam is the list above but for completeness' sake:
► Amsterdam?
- RH office
- Easy for Patrick, Xavier and Pingou to get there
- Expensive for Matt, Kevin, Ralph, Toshio and David
- Probably too much traveling for a 2 days hackfest for Matt (and
Toshio?)
Yeah. If we have more us people we probibly want to look at us just to keep costs down.
What are the cheapest/easiest US cities for the eu folks to fly into?
If you guys are still looking for space, I could also throw my hat in the ring to host here in Fredericksburg, VA.
+ Coworking meeting space available for rent, used for previous FAD, reasonable price + Driving distance to IAD (Washington-Dulles) airport, relatively cheaper airfare + Affordable hotels + Unlikely to have crazy weather in early December - Not sure if it's as convenient for Matt - Everyone travels
On Thu, Sep 04, 2014 at 11:27:56AM -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 09:03:51AM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
On Fri, 22 Aug 2014 12:37:29 +0200 Pierre-Yves Chibon pingou@pingoured.fr wrote:
We may want to pick another place but for the time period I think this one works best for Matt and I for 2014.
Other options: (*: question, +: pro, -: con) ► Denver?
- Kevin, do you know of a place we could have access to to work?
I don't off hand. If we are willing to pay a bit I think we could reserve space at a hotel or the like. I'm not sure network will be great, but most places have meeting rooms you can get and also that would be handy for people staying there.
However, if it's just me thats here, it might make sense to try and find a location that would be cheaper for everyone to go to and find meeting space there?
Kevin, can you look into coworking spaces? There are usually a few of these in most metro areas. They're relatively affordable, often more so than hotel meeting space, and also usually more comfortable work environment. I found this one:
http://densitycoworking.com/space/
► Houston?
- IIRC Matt isn't too far from it
- there are direct flights from AMS to there
- Do we have a local contact?
I think tibbs might be near there... not sure if he has time to help out, but we could ask.
► Boston?
- RH office
- Flying there in December might make the traveling "interesting"
► Raleigh?
- RH office and facilities there
- No-one that signed up on the wiki is located near so we all
have to travel ► ?
What are the cheapest/easiest US cities for the eu folks to fly into?
If you guys are still looking for space, I could also throw my hat in the ring to host here in Fredericksburg, VA.
- Coworking meeting space available for rent, used for previous FAD, reasonable price
- Driving distance to IAD (Washington-Dulles) airport, relatively cheaper airfare
- Affordable hotels
- Unlikely to have crazy weather in early December
- Not sure if it's as convenient for Matt
- Everyone travels
Ok I spent sometime looking at orbitz.com to see what is the price difference to fly everyone to each location we mentionned.
It seems that Denver and Boston are the winners.
Details below.
Pierre
Budget ======
Prices found in orbitz.com
Dec 2nd -> Dec 9th
pingou: TLS Xavier: CDG Patrick: AMS Toshio: LAX ? David: SEA Ralph: ROC Matt: HOU ? Dennis: CHI ? Kevin: DEN
► Denver TLS -> DEN => ~$950 - AF CDG -> DEN => ~$940 - AF AMS -> DEN => ~$770 - Delta LAX -> DEN => ~$165 - Frontier Airlines SEA -> DEN => ~$220 - Frontier Airlines ROC -> DEN => ~$380 - United CHI -> DEN => ~$170 - Spirit ------ $3595
HOU -> DEN => ~$160 - Spirit -> Matt said it would drive there and Intel pays for the car
► Raleigh TLS -> RDU => ~$705/$996 - American Arilines / Delta CDG -> RDU => ~$740 - US Airways AMS -> RDU => ~$885 - Delta LAX -> RDU => ~$360 - US Airways SEA -> RDU => ~$445 - United Airlines ROC -> RDU => ~$270 - Delta CHI -> RDU => ~$230 - American Airlines HOU -> RDU => ~$315 - Delta ------ $3950/4241
► Boston TLS -> BOS => ~$865 - Delta CDG -> BOS => ~$600/$860 - British Airways/United AMS -> BOS => ~$765/$786 - British Airways/KLM LAX -> BOS => ~$390 - United SEA -> BOS => ~$365/$355 - JetBlue/United ROC -> BOS => ~$180 - US Airways CHI -> BOS => ~$160 - United HOU -> BOS => ~$215 - JetBlue ------ $3530/3821
► Fredericksburg TLS -> IAD => ~$945 - KLM CDG -> IAD => ~$945 - AF AMS -> IAD => ~$685 - KLM LAX -> IAD => ~$385 - United SEA -> IAD => ~$560 - United ROC -> IAD => ~$215 - United CHI -> IAD => ~$275 - United HOU -> IAD => ~$370 - Delta ------ $4380
On Fri, Sep 05, 2014 at 10:18:36AM +0200, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote:
On Thu, Sep 04, 2014 at 11:27:56AM -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 09:03:51AM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
On Fri, 22 Aug 2014 12:37:29 +0200 Pierre-Yves Chibon pingou@pingoured.fr wrote:
We may want to pick another place but for the time period I think this one works best for Matt and I for 2014.
Other options: (*: question, +: pro, -: con) ► Denver?
- Kevin, do you know of a place we could have access to to work?
I don't off hand. If we are willing to pay a bit I think we could reserve space at a hotel or the like. I'm not sure network will be great, but most places have meeting rooms you can get and also that would be handy for people staying there.
However, if it's just me thats here, it might make sense to try and find a location that would be cheaper for everyone to go to and find meeting space there?
Kevin, can you look into coworking spaces? There are usually a few of these in most metro areas. They're relatively affordable, often more so than hotel meeting space, and also usually more comfortable work environment. I found this one:
http://densitycoworking.com/space/
► Houston?
- IIRC Matt isn't too far from it
- there are direct flights from AMS to there
- Do we have a local contact?
I think tibbs might be near there... not sure if he has time to help out, but we could ask.
► Boston?
- RH office
- Flying there in December might make the traveling "interesting"
► Raleigh?
- RH office and facilities there
- No-one that signed up on the wiki is located near so we all
have to travel ► ?
What are the cheapest/easiest US cities for the eu folks to fly into?
If you guys are still looking for space, I could also throw my hat in the ring to host here in Fredericksburg, VA.
- Coworking meeting space available for rent, used for previous FAD, reasonable price
- Driving distance to IAD (Washington-Dulles) airport, relatively cheaper airfare
- Affordable hotels
- Unlikely to have crazy weather in early December
- Not sure if it's as convenient for Matt
- Everyone travels
Ok I spent sometime looking at orbitz.com to see what is the price difference to fly everyone to each location we mentionned.
It seems that Denver and Boston are the winners.
Details below.
Pierre
Budget
Prices found in orbitz.com
Dec 2nd -> Dec 9th
pingou: TLS Xavier: CDG Patrick: AMS Toshio: LAX ? David: SEA Ralph: ROC Matt: HOU ? Dennis: CHI ? Kevin: DEN
► Denver TLS -> DEN => ~$950 - AF CDG -> DEN => ~$940 - AF AMS -> DEN => ~$770 - Delta LAX -> DEN => ~$165 - Frontier Airlines SEA -> DEN => ~$220 - Frontier Airlines ROC -> DEN => ~$380 - United CHI -> DEN => ~$170 - Spirit ------ $3595
HOU -> DEN => ~$160 - Spirit -> Matt said it would drive there and Intel pays for the car
► Raleigh TLS -> RDU => ~$705/$996 - American Arilines / Delta CDG -> RDU => ~$740 - US Airways AMS -> RDU => ~$885 - Delta LAX -> RDU => ~$360 - US Airways SEA -> RDU => ~$445 - United Airlines ROC -> RDU => ~$270 - Delta CHI -> RDU => ~$230 - American Airlines HOU -> RDU => ~$315 - Delta ------ $3950/4241
► Boston TLS -> BOS => ~$865 - Delta CDG -> BOS => ~$600/$860 - British Airways/United AMS -> BOS => ~$765/$786 - British Airways/KLM LAX -> BOS => ~$390 - United SEA -> BOS => ~$365/$355 - JetBlue/United ROC -> BOS => ~$180 - US Airways CHI -> BOS => ~$160 - United HOU -> BOS => ~$215 - JetBlue ------ $3530/3821
► Fredericksburg TLS -> IAD => ~$945 - KLM CDG -> IAD => ~$945 - AF AMS -> IAD => ~$685 - KLM LAX -> IAD => ~$385 - United SEA -> IAD => ~$560 - United ROC -> IAD => ~$215 - United CHI -> IAD => ~$275 - United HOU -> IAD => ~$370 - Delta ------ $4380
So much for my clever plan to get people into town for a gig. ;-D
Thanks for doing this, Pierre.
On Fri, Sep 05, 2014 at 10:25:25AM -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
On Fri, Sep 05, 2014 at 10:18:36AM +0200, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote:
► Fredericksburg TLS -> IAD => ~$945 - KLM CDG -> IAD => ~$945 - AF AMS -> IAD => ~$685 - KLM LAX -> IAD => ~$385 - United SEA -> IAD => ~$560 - United ROC -> IAD => ~$215 - United CHI -> IAD => ~$275 - United HOU -> IAD => ~$370 - Delta ------ $4380
So much for my clever plan to get people into town for a gig. ;-D
Thanks for doing this, Pierre.
But the value of that gig may be higher than the difference in airfare!
Worth a try no? :-)
Pierre
On 5 September 2014 02:18, Pierre-Yves Chibon pingou@pingoured.fr wrote:
On Thu, Sep 04, 2014 at 11:27:56AM -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 09:03:51AM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
On Fri, 22 Aug 2014 12:37:29 +0200 Pierre-Yves Chibon pingou@pingoured.fr wrote:
We may want to pick another place but for the time period I think this one works best for Matt and I for 2014.
Other options: (*: question, +: pro, -: con) ► Denver?
- Kevin, do you know of a place we could have access to to work?
I don't off hand. If we are willing to pay a bit I think we could reserve space at a hotel or the like. I'm not sure network will be great, but most places have meeting rooms you can get and also that would be handy for people staying there.
However, if it's just me thats here, it might make sense to try and find a location that would be cheaper for everyone to go to and find meeting space there?
Kevin, can you look into coworking spaces? There are usually a few of these in most metro areas. They're relatively affordable, often more so than hotel meeting space, and also usually more comfortable work environment. I found this one:
http://densitycoworking.com/space/
► Houston?
- IIRC Matt isn't too far from it
- there are direct flights from AMS to there
- Do we have a local contact?
I think tibbs might be near there... not sure if he has time to help out, but we could ask.
► Boston?
- RH office
- Flying there in December might make the traveling "interesting"
► Raleigh?
- RH office and facilities there
- No-one that signed up on the wiki is located near so we all
have to travel ► ?
What are the cheapest/easiest US cities for the eu folks to fly into?
If you guys are still looking for space, I could also throw my hat in the ring to host here in Fredericksburg, VA.
- Coworking meeting space available for rent, used for previous FAD, reasonable price
- Driving distance to IAD (Washington-Dulles) airport, relatively cheaper airfare
- Affordable hotels
- Unlikely to have crazy weather in early December
- Not sure if it's as convenient for Matt
- Everyone travels
Ok I spent sometime looking at orbitz.com to see what is the price difference to fly everyone to each location we mentionned.
It seems that Denver and Boston are the winners.
Well if flying into Washington DC is going to cost that much more.. I won't put in for Albuquerque as I know of a couple of coworking places near motels.
On Fri, Sep 05, 2014 at 09:21:35AM -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
On 5 September 2014 02:18, Pierre-Yves Chibon pingou@pingoured.fr wrote:
On Thu, Sep 04, 2014 at 11:27:56AM -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 09:03:51AM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > On Fri, 22 Aug 2014 12:37:29 +0200 > > Pierre-Yves Chibon <pingou@pingoured.fr> wrote: > > > > > > We may want to pick another place but for the time period I think > > > > this one works best for Matt and I for 2014. > > > > > > > > Other options: (*: question, +: pro, -: con) > > > > a*-o Denver? > > > >A A * Kevin, do you know of a place we could have access to to work? > > > > I don't off hand. If we are willing to pay a bit I think we could > > reserve space at a hotel or the like. I'm not sure network will be > > great, but most places have meeting rooms you can get and also that > > would be handy for people staying there. > > > > However, if it's just me thats here, it might make sense to try and > > find a location that would be cheaper for everyone to go to and find > > meeting space there? > > Kevin, can you look into coworking spaces?A There are usually a few of > these in most metro areas.A They're relatively affordable, often more > so than hotel meeting space, and also usually more comfortable work > environment.A I found this one: > > http://densitycoworking.com/space/ > > > > > a*-o Houston? > > > >A A + IIRC Matt isn't too far from it > > > >A A + there are direct flights from AMS to there > > > >A A - Do we have a local contact? > > > > I think tibbs might be near there... not sure if he has time to help > > out, but we could ask. > > > > > > a*-o Boston? > > > >A A + RH office > > > >A A - Flying there in December might make the traveling "interesting" > > > > a*-o Raleigh? > > > >A A + RH office and facilities there > > > >A A - No-one that signed up on the wiki is located near so we all > > > > have to travel a*-o ? > > > > What are the cheapest/easiest US cities for the eu folks to fly into? > > If you guys are still looking for space, I could also throw my hat in > the ring to host here in Fredericksburg, VA. > > + Coworking meeting space available for rent, used for previous FAD, >A A reasonable price > + Driving distance to IAD (Washington-Dulles) airport, relatively >A A cheaper airfare > + Affordable hotels > + Unlikely to have crazy weather in early December > - Not sure if it's as convenient for Matt > - Everyone travels Ok I spent sometime looking at orbitz.com to see what is the price difference to fly everyone to each location we mentionned. It seems that Denver and Boston are the winners.Well if flying into Washington DC is going to cost that much more.. I won't put in for Albuquerque as I know of a couple of coworking places near motels.
► Albuquerque TLS -> ABQ => ~$1280 - Delta CDG -> ABQ => ~$730 - US Airways AMS -> ABQ => ~$1050 - United LAX -> ABQ => ~$280 - American Airlines SEA -> ABQ => ~$285 - Alaska Airlines ROC -> ABQ => ~$420 - United CHI -> ABQ => ~$410 - United HOU -> ABQ => ~$520 - American Airlines ------ $4975
So indeed, not the best candidate :)
Btw, the price I indicate are the ones with the least connection and that seemed to make sense, so in some case we could find cheaper but they might mean taking a significant amount of extra time.
Pierre
Hi all,
By popular demand, I added the costs for a couple of other possible locations but as this was getting un-readable accross the multiple emails, here is the complete list, new locations are at the bottom.
Cheers, Pierre
Budget ======
Prices found in orbitz.com
Dec 2nd -> Dec 9th
pingou: TLS Xavier: CDG Patrick: AMS Toshio: LAX ? David: SEA Ralph: ROC Matt: HOU ? Dennis: CHI ? Kevin: DEN
► Denver TLS -> DEN => ~$950 - AF CDG -> DEN => ~$940 - AF AMS -> DEN => ~$770 - Delta LAX -> DEN => ~$165 - Frontier Airlines SEA -> DEN => ~$220 - Frontier Airlines ROC -> DEN => ~$380 - United CHI -> DEN => ~$170 - Spirit ------ $3595
HOU -> DEN => ~$160 - Spirit -> Matt said it would drive there and Intel pays for the car
► Raleigh TLS -> RDU => ~$705/$996 - American Arilines / Delta CDG -> RDU => ~$740 - US Airways AMS -> RDU => ~$885 - Delta LAX -> RDU => ~$360 - US Airways SEA -> RDU => ~$445 - United Airlines ROC -> RDU => ~$270 - Delta CHI -> RDU => ~$230 - American Airlines HOU -> RDU => ~$315 - Delta ------ $3950/4241
► Boston TLS -> BOS => ~$865 - Delta CDG -> BOS => ~$600/$860 - British Airways/United AMS -> BOS => ~$765/$786 - British Airways/KLM LAX -> BOS => ~$390 - United SEA -> BOS => ~$365/$355 - JetBlue/United ROC -> BOS => ~$180 - US Airways CHI -> BOS => ~$160 - United HOU -> BOS => ~$215 - JetBlue ------ $3530/3821
► Fredericksburg TLS -> IAD => ~$945 - KLM CDG -> IAD => ~$945 - AF AMS -> IAD => ~$685 - KLM LAX -> IAD => ~$385 - United SEA -> IAD => ~$560 - United ROC -> IAD => ~$215 - United CHI -> IAD => ~$275 - United HOU -> IAD => ~$370 - Delta ------ $4380
► Albuquerque TLS -> ABQ => ~$1280 - Delta CDG -> ABQ => ~$730 - US Airways AMS -> ABQ => ~$1050 - United LAX -> ABQ => ~$280 - American Airlines SEA -> ABQ => ~$285 - Alaska Airlines ROC -> ABQ => ~$420 - United CHI -> ABQ => ~$410 - United HOU -> ABQ => ~$520 - American Airlines ------ $4975
► Paris TLS -> ORY => ~$180 - AF CDG -> CDG => ~$-- AMS -> CDG => ~$130 - KLM LAX -> CDG => ~$1250 - United (direct) SEA -> CDG => ~$995 - Icelandair (1 stop) ROC -> CDG => ~$1260 - AF (1 stop) CHI -> CDG => ~$1200 - AF (direct) HOU -> CDG => ~$1320 - AF (direct) ------ $6335
► Amsterdam TLS -> AMS => ~$210 - KLM CDG -> AMS => ~$180 - KLM AMS -> AMS => ~$-- LAX -> AMS => ~$1380 - KLM (direct) SEA -> AMS => ~$1390 - KLM (direct) ROC -> AMS => ~$1170 - Delta (1 stop) CHI -> AMS => ~$1060 - United (1 stop) HOU -> AMS => ~$1118 - KLM (direct) ------ $6508
On Sat, Sep 06, 2014 at 03:36:33PM +0200, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote:
Hi all,
By popular demand, I added the costs for a couple of other possible locations but as this was getting un-readable accross the multiple emails, here is the complete list, new locations are at the bottom.
Hi Pierre and all,
Looks like this fell dormant for a while so I want to bump the topic. ;-)
I was talking to Kevin Fenzi and although he hasn't had a chance to exhaustively search all spaces in Denver, so far he hasn't found any great alternatives. I found some coworking spaces but they were limited availability and/or quite expensive ($120/day and up). That's expensive enough that it makes more sense to do the FAD in RDU:
* free space available at Red Hat Tower * hotel close to the site with Red Hat's courtesy rate * lots of food and nightlife in walking distance of both
Also lots of Fedora friends are in the area as well, and we might be able to pick up a few extra contributors during the event.
Would anyone be *uncomfortable* forging ahead with doing this FAD in RDU?
[...snip...]
Budget
Prices found in orbitz.com
Dec 2nd -> Dec 9th
pingou: TLS Xavier: CDG Patrick: AMS Toshio: LAX ? David: SEA Ralph: ROC Matt: HOU ? Dennis: CHI ? Kevin: DEN
► Denver TLS -> DEN => ~$950 - AF CDG -> DEN => ~$940 - AF AMS -> DEN => ~$770 - Delta LAX -> DEN => ~$165 - Frontier Airlines SEA -> DEN => ~$220 - Frontier Airlines ROC -> DEN => ~$380 - United CHI -> DEN => ~$170 - Spirit ------ $3595
HOU -> DEN => ~$160 - Spirit -> Matt said it would drive there and Intel pays for the car
► Raleigh TLS -> RDU => ~$705/$996 - American Arilines / Delta CDG -> RDU => ~$740 - US Airways AMS -> RDU => ~$885 - Delta LAX -> RDU => ~$360 - US Airways SEA -> RDU => ~$445 - United Airlines ROC -> RDU => ~$270 - Delta CHI -> RDU => ~$230 - American Airlines HOU -> RDU => ~$315 - Delta ------ $3950/4241
► Boston TLS -> BOS => ~$865 - Delta CDG -> BOS => ~$600/$860 - British Airways/United AMS -> BOS => ~$765/$786 - British Airways/KLM LAX -> BOS => ~$390 - United SEA -> BOS => ~$365/$355 - JetBlue/United ROC -> BOS => ~$180 - US Airways CHI -> BOS => ~$160 - United HOU -> BOS => ~$215 - JetBlue ------ $3530/3821
► Fredericksburg TLS -> IAD => ~$945 - KLM CDG -> IAD => ~$945 - AF AMS -> IAD => ~$685 - KLM LAX -> IAD => ~$385 - United SEA -> IAD => ~$560 - United ROC -> IAD => ~$215 - United CHI -> IAD => ~$275 - United HOU -> IAD => ~$370 - Delta ------ $4380
► Albuquerque TLS -> ABQ => ~$1280 - Delta CDG -> ABQ => ~$730 - US Airways AMS -> ABQ => ~$1050 - United LAX -> ABQ => ~$280 - American Airlines SEA -> ABQ => ~$285 - Alaska Airlines ROC -> ABQ => ~$420 - United CHI -> ABQ => ~$410 - United HOU -> ABQ => ~$520 - American Airlines ------ $4975
► Paris TLS -> ORY => ~$180 - AF CDG -> CDG => ~$-- AMS -> CDG => ~$130 - KLM LAX -> CDG => ~$1250 - United (direct) SEA -> CDG => ~$995 - Icelandair (1 stop) ROC -> CDG => ~$1260 - AF (1 stop) CHI -> CDG => ~$1200 - AF (direct) HOU -> CDG => ~$1320 - AF (direct) ------ $6335
► Amsterdam TLS -> AMS => ~$210 - KLM CDG -> AMS => ~$180 - KLM AMS -> AMS => ~$-- LAX -> AMS => ~$1380 - KLM (direct) SEA -> AMS => ~$1390 - KLM (direct) ROC -> AMS => ~$1170 - Delta (1 stop) CHI -> AMS => ~$1060 - United (1 stop) HOU -> AMS => ~$1118 - KLM (direct) ------ $6508
On Thu, 2 Oct 2014 17:24:08 -0400 "Paul W. Frields" stickster@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Sep 06, 2014 at 03:36:33PM +0200, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote:
Hi all,
By popular demand, I added the costs for a couple of other possible locations but as this was getting un-readable accross the multiple emails, here is the complete list, new locations are at the bottom.
Hi Pierre and all,
Looks like this fell dormant for a while so I want to bump the topic. ;-)
I was talking to Kevin Fenzi and although he hasn't had a chance to exhaustively search all spaces in Denver, so far he hasn't found any great alternatives. I found some coworking spaces but they were limited availability and/or quite expensive ($120/day and up). That's expensive enough that it makes more sense to do the FAD in RDU:
- free space available at Red Hat Tower
- hotel close to the site with Red Hat's courtesy rate
- lots of food and nightlife in walking distance of both
Also lots of Fedora friends are in the area as well, and we might be able to pick up a few extra contributors during the event.
Would anyone be *uncomfortable* forging ahead with doing this FAD in RDU?
I guess I'd be ok with it, but I just noticed that none of the airfare estimates have DEN -> in them. ;)
Of course I don't absolutely need to be there either...
kevin
On Thu, Oct 02, 2014 at 05:22:01PM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
On Thu, 2 Oct 2014 17:24:08 -0400 "Paul W. Frields" stickster@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Sep 06, 2014 at 03:36:33PM +0200, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote:
Hi all,
By popular demand, I added the costs for a couple of other possible locations but as this was getting un-readable accross the multiple emails, here is the complete list, new locations are at the bottom.
Hi Pierre and all,
Looks like this fell dormant for a while so I want to bump the topic. ;-)
I was talking to Kevin Fenzi and although he hasn't had a chance to exhaustively search all spaces in Denver, so far he hasn't found any great alternatives. I found some coworking spaces but they were limited availability and/or quite expensive ($120/day and up). That's expensive enough that it makes more sense to do the FAD in RDU:
- free space available at Red Hat Tower
- hotel close to the site with Red Hat's courtesy rate
- lots of food and nightlife in walking distance of both
Also lots of Fedora friends are in the area as well, and we might be able to pick up a few extra contributors during the event.
Would anyone be *uncomfortable* forging ahead with doing this FAD in RDU?
I guess I'd be ok with it, but I just noticed that none of the airfare estimates have DEN -> in them. ;)
Of course I don't absolutely need to be there either...
I think we'd greatly benefit from your being there! :-) I don't think one additional airfare from DEN, given the free workspace, will make/break the event.
On Thu, Oct 02, 2014 at 05:22:01PM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
On Thu, 2 Oct 2014 17:24:08 -0400 "Paul W. Frields" stickster@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Sep 06, 2014 at 03:36:33PM +0200, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote:
Hi all,
By popular demand, I added the costs for a couple of other possible locations but as this was getting un-readable accross the multiple emails, here is the complete list, new locations are at the bottom.
Hi Pierre and all,
Looks like this fell dormant for a while so I want to bump the topic. ;-)
I was talking to Kevin Fenzi and although he hasn't had a chance to exhaustively search all spaces in Denver, so far he hasn't found any great alternatives. I found some coworking spaces but they were limited availability and/or quite expensive ($120/day and up). That's expensive enough that it makes more sense to do the FAD in RDU:
- free space available at Red Hat Tower
- hotel close to the site with Red Hat's courtesy rate
- lots of food and nightlife in walking distance of both
Also lots of Fedora friends are in the area as well, and we might be able to pick up a few extra contributors during the event.
Would anyone be *uncomfortable* forging ahead with doing this FAD in RDU?
I have seen that the design team is also planning a FAD in RDU, but looking at the wiki [1], there shouldn't be any conflict with the dates.
[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_DesignTeam_2014
I guess I'd be ok with it, but I just noticed that none of the airfare estimates have DEN -> in them. ;)
I'm very sorry about that. I have in mind to update the budget tomorrow and I'll make sure it includes a flight leaving from DEN ;-)
Pierre
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