March 2015 - kde - Fedora mailing-lists

nntp (aka, usenet) client in kde?
by Gene Smith 08 Feb '20

08 Feb '20

I currently use t-bird with an nntp account pointing to gmane to read this list and sereral others. Does kde have an nntp client program of any sort? I don't see it as a possible new account type in kmail. Also, search with kpackagekit yields nothing with "usenet" or "nntp" that is kde specific. -gene

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x2go under KDE on F22
by Roderick Johnstone 16 Apr '15

16 Apr '15

Hi I'm interested to find out whether the remote desktop system x2go (http://wiki.x2go.org/doku.php) is going to work in F22 under KDE. x2go is documented to be incompatible with 'KDE 5' (http://wiki.x2go.org/doku.php/doc:de-compat) but I notice that there are still seem to be (at least) parts of KDE 4 in F22. Thanks Roderick Johnstone

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Yawp
by Mike Chambers 03 Apr '15

03 Apr '15

Will yawp yet work with plasma 5/Newer KDE in Fedora 22? I know it was built for it back in August I think, but it requires an obsoleted kde-workspace-libs or whatever. Or am I missing something? -- Mike Chambers Madisonville, KY "Best lil town on Earth!"

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Disintegrating desktop
by Timothy Murphy 01 Apr '15

01 Apr '15

I'm running Fedora-21/KDE on my laptop. The window I'm watching frequently disintegrates into 8 separate windows, corresponding to my 8 virtual desktops. I know this is caused by moving the mouse into some area. But I cannot think of any occasion when it would actually help. Is there any way of turning this facility off? -- Timothy Murphy gayleard /at/ eircom.net School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin

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add 'move to screen' to panel menu
by Neal Becker 31 Mar '15

31 Mar '15

It would be very helpful if 'move to screen' was on the menu on the panel. In the window decorations there is 'move to desktop' as well as 'move to screen', but on the panel there is only 'move to desktop. Is this possible? -- Those who fail to understand recursion are doomed to repeat it

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Calendar/KOrganizer, F21: select a valid collection first?
by Richard Z 28 Mar '15

28 Mar '15

Hi, trying to add an event I get the message "select a valid collection first" There is nothing obvious in the dialog where I could select any collection. On top of the dialog window is a "Calendar" dropdown which unfortunately does not drop down when clicked. I did use the Calender in previous versions of Fedora but not since I upgraded to F21. Thanks for any hints, Richard --- Name and OpenPGP keys available from pgp key servers

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Ark Unar/Unrar
by Sérgio Basto 28 Mar '15

28 Mar '15

Hi, Last thread about unrar talks about unrar of rpmfusion , but to work correctly we should have unar (without one r) that is free . repoquery unar -i URL : http://unarchiver.c3.cx/commandline Source : unar-1.8.1-5.fc21.src.rpm Description : The command-line utilities lsar and unar are capable of listing and extracting files respectively in several formats including RARv3. unar can serve as a free and open source replacement of unrar. BTW ark from Fedora 21 just works with unar and shouldn't be a package require of ark ? Thanks, -- Sérgio M. B.

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Plasma 5 and KDE Workspaces in F22
by Ed Greshko 28 Mar '15

28 Mar '15

Are there plans to allow for both Plasma 5 and KDE Workspaces to coexist in F22? Currently, that seems not possible due to, at least, Network Manager components being obsoleted by Plasma 5 installation. -- If you can't laugh at yourself, others will gladly oblige.

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Disable notification sounds in plasma 5
by Ian Malone 26 Mar '15

26 Mar '15

Hi, I've seen some mention of the new settings panel not having all the features yet, is there any way to disable all notification sounds in plasma5 short of individually turning them off? -- imalone http://ibmalone.blogspot.co.uk

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Password policy changes
by Adam Williamson 24 Mar '15

24 Mar '15

Hey, folks. I'm writing with my Server SIG member hat on, here. We've been discussing password policy changes at our meeting today. So the Great Password Policy Bunfight of 2015 was resolved by anaconda creating a mechanism for products/spins to set their own password policy: https://github.com/rhinstaller/anaconda/commit/8f24eeaedd7691b6ebe119592e5b… I'm slightly worried, however, about the possibility that everyone goes out and picks a more lenient policy more or less at random and we wind up with different policies on every Fedora medium. That seems like it'd be needlessly confusing to users and difficult to document. I'm wondering if those products/spins intending to set a policy weaker than the default could all agree on the same one, so there'd only be at most two policies to care about (and if all products/spins overrode the upstream default, there'd only be one). The obvious choice would be the pre-F22 policy, which I believe should be: --nostrict --minlen=6 --minquality=50 --nochanges --emptyok (though it's not *entirely* clear from the code - I think it used pwquality upstream defaults - so I may be a bit off). What's the general feeling here? Have other SIGs discussed this yet? Come to any decisions? Thanks! -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net

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Re: Password policy changes
by Matthias Clasen 24 Mar '15

24 Mar '15

On Tue, 2015-03-24 at 12:51 -0500, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > > the system is installed. It doesn't make sense for Anaconda to > enforce a > different policy than will be enforced after installation, so it > follows > that we should all use --minquality=1 and just have different > pwquality.conf to adjust the strength of the passwords if need be. I > think that should be acceptable for all products. You're pointing out the same thing I was wondering about when I read about this kickstart mechanism: We don't want to configure password policies in two places - thats only going to lead to anaconda disagreeing with the installed system. > We also need to make sure that our solution is acceptable to the > gnome-initial-setup developers, which currently uses pwquality to > display password strength but allows setting any password. If they > won't > accept any form of password strength enforcement, then I would favor > ripping pwquality out of the PAM stack to resolve the problem. > (Perhaps > that could move to a subpackage.) I suspect a very lenient > pwquality.conf may be the only way to reach a compromise here. I think the difference of opinion is only about the enforcement part. If pwquality gives us useful information about that quality of the password then we absolutely show that to the user and help her to come up with a better password.

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minimum F22/F23 installation requirements
by Felix Miata 23 Mar '15

23 Mar '15

Is there a list anywhere of what packages are required to get any session to proceed beyond crash notices? Out of more than a dozen, probably more than twice that, of F22 & Rawhide installations, I've only ever seen what KF desktop looks like on one, and that on the slowest system on which I have either installed, an Athlon XP 2000+. I'm not interested in having anything more than the bare minimum, plus Konsole, Konq, Kmix and Ksnapshot. The only "k" groupinstall I"ve found, kde-desktop', wants to add 362 packages to the 112 KDE/KDF packages already installed, among them bluedevil, bluez, kamera, kdegames-minimal, kmail, kontact, multiple NetworkManager leaves, dmraid, firewalld, ghostscript, bazillions of python*, speech-dispatcher, lvm2 and many other packages, all inconsistent with minimalism, and unlikely that I'd ever use on purpose. On the latest, I left the screen just sitting after closing the crash windows. Eventually the locker tried to start, so now my screen's center is covered with illegible (text in some tiny fraction of what I can see without a magnifier) syslogd messages. Switching to a tty to login, I get a continuous flood of syslogd messages about the locker that makes killing startkde tough. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/

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Time on systray lags
by Ed Greshko 22 Mar '15

22 Mar '15

Running F22 Beta-TC3 and I noticed something odd. The digital clock on the systay can lag what is displayed via the "date" command by several seconds. I've observed a lag of 12 seconds. Since I'm frequently rebooting for testing I don't know if the lag will increase. Strange thing, if I configure the digital clock to show seconds there is no lag. Is anyone else seeing this? What component would be appropriate for the bugzilla I think is needed. -- If you can't laugh at yourself, others will gladly oblige.

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Desktop Themes and Plasma 5
by Ed Greshko 21 Mar '15

21 Mar '15

Running F22 BTC3 and it seems as if the only Desktop Themes which allows the Network widgets to display properly are either Breeze or Air. Is it safe to assume that is due to the Oxygen theme, for one, being designed for KDE4? I've not tried to install the old Workspaces on F22, but think that can be done, but I'm wonder if there is any way to prevent themes not known to work properly, or known to not work properly, in Plasma 5 being listed as available for use? Also, in System Settings, under Appearance there is a "Look and Feel" but only "Breeze" is available and no way to add more selections. Is this by design? -- If you can't laugh at yourself, others will gladly oblige.

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Re: Network icons documented?
by Rex Dieter 19 Mar '15

19 Mar '15

While on the topic, I see that NetworkManager-config-connectivity-fedora is not installed by default in f22 kde live image (not on f22-alpha at least), should we ? -- Rex

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Plasma 5 crash on Fedora 22
by José Abílio Matos 19 Mar '15

19 Mar '15

Hi, after having updated to Fedora 22 when I enter in a plasma 5 session I get a crash. Attached follows a crash report. Should I open a bug report? Regards, -- José Abílio

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balloo/dolphin search for comments ?
by Richard Z 18 Mar '15

18 Mar '15

Hi, it used to be possible in F21 to search not only tags but also file comments with the dolphin interface - this does not work for me anymore. Is this a known problem? Any known workaround? Richard --- Name and OpenPGP keys available from pgp key servers

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Plasma 5 questions
by Glenn Holmer 17 Mar '15

17 Mar '15

Questions about Plasma 5 in the 22 alhpa: 1) I can't figure out how to set up konsole so that the terminal window has the same size every time I open it, even if I resized it before closing it on the previous run. I was able to do this in Plasma 4. 2) Ctrl-space is broken in konsole (e.g. emacs set mark), although it works in other places (e.g. NetBeans code completion). This works in the Ubuntu Plasma 5 pre-release; does that mean that they fixed it themselves rather than in upstream? 3) In System Settings, under Startup and Shutdown, I've set Desktop Session to "Restore manually saved session". Where is the option to manually save a session? In Plasma 4, it would appear in the 'K' menu once you had selected this. 4) When I right-click the 'K' menu and select Edit Applications, nothing happens. Known issue? -- Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682) "After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe."

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Re: Network icons documented?
by Rex Dieter 17 Mar '15

17 Mar '15

Interestingly, it's not in comps, and the only deps in the distro are: repoquery --whatrequires NetworkManager-config-connectivity-fedora fedora-release-workstation-0:22-0.13.noarch gnome-shell-0:3.15.91-1.fc22.x86_64 So looks like workstation really wants this (and apparently no one else). -- Rex ________________________________________ From: kde-bounces(a)lists.fedoraproject.org <kde-bounces(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> on behalf of Rex Dieter <rdieter(a)unl.edu> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 8:15 AM To: KDE on Fedora discussion Subject: Re: Network icons documented? While on the topic, I see that NetworkManager-config-connectivity-fedora is not installed by default in f22 kde live image (not on f22-alpha at least), should we ? -- Rex

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Network icons documented?
by Ed Greshko 17 Mar '15

17 Mar '15

Running F21 and KDE4. I just noticed, maybe after an update, that the network icon on the systray is different than it was before. On the right side is a little yellow marker and I've no idea what it should mean. Is there information somewhere telling people possibilities? -- If you can't laugh at yourself, others will gladly oblige.

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KWalletmanager 5 not obsoleting 4?
by Michael J Gruber 17 Mar '15

17 Mar '15

yum list --showduplicates kwallet\* Loaded plugins: langpacks Installed Packages kwalletmanager.x86_64 14.12.1-1.fc21 @updates Available Packages kwallet.x86_64 4.12.3-3.fc21 fedora kwalletmanager.x86_64 4.14.3-1.fc21 fedora kwalletmanager.x86_64 5.0.92-3.20141107git9ef0d8c.fc21 dvratil-plasma-5 kwalletmanager.x86_64 14.12.1-1.fc21 updates kwalletmanager-debuginfo.x86_64 5.0.92-3.20141107git9ef0d8c.fc21 dvratil-plasma-5 The version from plasma-5 is not offered as update, and does not get installed with "plasma5". I'm on plasma5 otherwise, so should I install the kwalletmanager from dvratil-plasma-5? Michael

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call for testing (and karma) :)
by Rex Dieter 16 Mar '15

16 Mar '15

Some recent mostly kde-related updates could use some testing (and karma/feedback), including: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2015-3434/kdelibs-4.14.6-2.f… https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2015-3595/kdelibs-4.14.6-2.f… https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2015-3598/kdelibs-4.14.6-2.f… https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2015-0951/xdg-utils-1.1.0-0.… Thanks. -- Rex

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Plasma5 loss of configurability?
by Ed Greshko 16 Mar '15

16 Mar '15

Testing F22 RC3 I noticed a difference that has me wondering if this is just temporary.... On the current KDE in F21 one can go to "System Settings --> Common Appearance --> Locale --> Country/Region" and separately set the format of "Numbers", "Money", "Calendar", "Date&Time" and other things such as page size. Now, with Plasma 5 there is a "Personalization --> Formats" section but I can't seem to find a way to set the Time Format to HH:MM:SS such that AM/PM isn't displayed and I get the time in the clock in 24hr format. I could set it to UK, but being originally from the US I'm used to MM/DD/YY not DD/MM/YY as the UK has it. So, my work around is to create .bashrc settings for LC_TIME. So, either I am missing something or the graphic tools are offer less functionality than before. -- If you can't laugh at yourself, others will gladly oblige.

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apper not showing available updates after fedup
by Ed Greshko 15 Mar '15

15 Mar '15

Hi, A week or so ago I did a fedup from F20 to F21. I have not been informed of any available updates. In running "apper --updates" it shows "up to date" and clicking on check for updates runs in a second or two and reports no updates. Yet, "yum check-update" shows there to be quite a few available. Suggestions on how to debug? -- If you can't laugh at yourself, others will gladly oblige.

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Sleeping mouse
by Patrick O'Callaghan 14 Mar '15

14 Mar '15

[I posted this a day or two ago on the Users list but got no replies]. I have a Bluetooth mouse (Sondstrom) which after a fairly short period of inactivity - a minute or two - becomes unresponsive, i.e. it takes a few seconds of jiggling for the cursor to move, whereupon it's fine until it goes to sleep again. As far as I can tell, the mouse itself isn't asleep (the sensor LED is still on) so I assume this is caused by some system setting, but which? I could see the sense if I was on a laptop, but this is a desktop machine and the power management is set to turn off the monitor only after 30 minutes or so. This is F21 under KDE (Plasma-5). The mouse connects via a Broadcom Bluetooth dongle. poc

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akonadi and baloo taking too much space on .local?
by José Abílio Matos 13 Mar '15

13 Mar '15

Hi, today while trying to understand why the available free space on disk was getting small I decided to investigate. The most strange (at least to me) thing was that ~/.local occupies 52 GB ! Searching in more detail I found that: $ cd .local/share $ du -sh * | sort -h .................... 60M local-mail 18G baloo 34G akonadi Is this normal? FWIW all the email accounts that I use have ~ 8 GB. and the rest of my home takes 140 GB, so I find those values a bit overboard. What can I do to slim those gluttons? :-) Regards, -- José Abílio

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KDE spin firewall
by Richard Z 12 Mar '15

12 Mar '15

Hi, very belated posting...missed all the discssuions about the firewall change for product=workstation while on vacation. How is the KDE spin handling this? Does it inherit all the settings from "workstation"? Will it develop its own default firewall policy? Richard --- Name and OpenPGP keys available from pgp key servers

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Re: Problem with some recent update? (was Re: Korganizer Reminder Deamon Problem)
by Rex Dieter 11 Mar '15

11 Mar '15

I'd suggest testing booting into the older (non-updated kernel), in case there were driver regressions. -- rex ________________________________________ From: kde-bounces(a)lists.fedoraproject.org <kde-bounces(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> on behalf of Richard Z <rz(a)linux-m68k.org> Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2015 8:08 AM To: KDE on Fedora discussion Subject: Problem with some recent update? (was Re: Korganizer Reminder Deamon Problem) On Sun, Mar 08, 2015 at 12:57:06PM -0600, Peter G. wrote: > Peter G. wrote: > > > updates-testing > > I downgraded to updates. No more updates-testing (but I > still have kdeforge, of course!). > > The slow appearance of the desktop and system tray is > cured. All is working on that front, but... interesting. I am also seeing random hard to trace problems since I updated many packages yesterday - qt and kernel among many others. What I see: - various image viewers (gwenview among others) crash or fail to display larger but still reasonable size images - occassional hangs of Firefox Intel graphics and i686 here. Richard --- Name and OpenPGP keys available from pgp key servers _______________________________________________ kde mailing list kde(a)lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/kde New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org

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Vienna Linux Week (Linuxwoche Wien) May 7-9: Plasma 5 talk/demo?
by Kevin Kofler 11 Mar '15

11 Mar '15

Hi, is anybody interested in showing off the shiny new Plasma 5 stuff on Fedora at the Vienna Linux week (Thursday, May 7, 2015 to Saturday, May 9, 2015, in Vienna, Austria)? Maybe one of the Brno folks, given the geographic proximity? I would, but as I haven't even tried Plasma 5 yet, I'm probably not the right person. The Vienna Linux Week is the Vienna event of the annual Austrian Linux Weeks (Linuxwochen), it is taking place at the Fachhochschule (FH) Technikum Wien: http://www.linuxwochen.at/wien-anreise There are NO conference or entrance fees, neither for speakers nor for visitors. (Obviously, this does not include travel and accomodation. You can check with the EMEA Ambassadors and/or with your employer whether they can fund your travel expenses or not.) The deadline for talk proposals is March 15, that's Sunday of this week (!). http://www.linuxwochen.at/Wien/ https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Linuxwochen_Wien_2015 Talks can be in either German or English. I also don't know whether anybody from some other distro or from KDE upstream is also planning to talk about Plasma 5. But from us in Fedora, apparently not (see the wiki link above). I submitted a talk about Calamares, let's see whether they'll accept it. But I will be attending either way and also bringing in some hand-burned Fedora KDE DVD+Rs to hand out. Greetings from Vienna, Kevin Kofler

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Plasma5, ibus, and konsole
by Ed Greshko 11 Mar '15

11 Mar '15

In testing F22 I've found that I cannot enter Japanese or Chinese characters in konsole. I don't have this issue in F21 where I also use ibus. Am I missing a setting or something that needs a bugzilla? Graphics applications, like libreoffice, are OK. -- If you can't laugh at yourself, others will gladly oblige.

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Korganizer Reminder Deamon Problem
by Peter G. 11 Mar '15

11 Mar '15

I haven't changed a thing and I have had these reminders set in the ical file for years. Whenever there is a new Fedora, I set up akonadi to use this resource. Everything has worked like a greased axle... until today!? I resumed my computer and, at the time of my morning alert, the reminder was triggered, like it was supposed to. I dismissed it, and one minute later, it triggered again. I dismissed it, and one minute later, it triggered again. I tried suspending for 1 minute, then dismissing next time. I tried rebooting the computer. I tried dismissing all reminders. I tried disabling reminders (worked, but no reminders) and then enabling them again, but the whole thing started all over again. What is going on? I don't believe there were even any program updates yesterday.

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sddm on multi-screen
by Neal Becker 10 Mar '15

10 Mar '15

Trying out sddm on multi-screen. Works, but confusing. On my smaller resolution screen, only 'username' field is shown, not 'password' which is off the bottom of the screen. gdm has a simpler approach: login is only shown on the 1st (higher res) screen. -- Those who fail to understand recursion are doomed to repeat it

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Kmail/Akonadi forgets pop3 mail server password
by Peter G. 06 Mar '15

06 Mar '15

I have set up a pop3 mail server under Akonadi for each of the mail servers I use (my internet provider default, google and yahoo). Roughly every third time I start Kmail, the yahoo pop3 password needs to be reeintered. Why does it get forgotten by akonadi? I reenter the password and the mail is checked, and then, a day or three later, the same thing again. This has been going on for weeks, perhaps months. I have ignored it, but it is frustrating. What is going on?

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multi-screen trouble
by Neal Becker 06 Mar '15

06 Mar '15

My last laptop was fine, because it's native resolution matched my external monitor's. But now I have a high-dpi laptop and having trouble. Laptop is 2560x1440. I manually set dpi to 125 by putting #!/bin/sh xrandr --dpi 125x125 into /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.d/77-setdpi.sh (note to self - emacs leaves backup files in this dir which are stupidly NOT ignored by the X startup) This setting seems pretty reasonable on this screen. I plugin my external monitor which is 1920x1080. Go to Display Configuration. I'd prefer to have clone, but I guess that isn't a choice because of the difference in resolution. So I put them next to each other. Problem is, the dpi setting also affects the external monitor. All the fonts are too big. More problems: here I am typing in knode. I placed it on the 2nd screen. When I choose 'post message', the window opens up with all the menus and window decorations off the top of the screen. Very inconvenient. Any suggestions how to make this a better experience? -- Those who fail to understand recursion are doomed to repeat it

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Fn key inversion on new lenovo
by Neal Becker 06 Mar '15

06 Mar '15

Just got new lenovo X1 carbon. So far everything is working well, but one issue with the keyboard. Hitting Alt-F2 does not give 'run command'. Instead, Fn-Alt-F2 does. In fact, inspecting (using emacs), it seems every one of the function keys acts as if the Fn key state is inverted. E.g., without holding Fn, hitting F2 lowers the volume, which is what is suppose to happen if you hold Fn, and emacs reports indicate the same. Any hints how to fix? I did not do anything special with the keyboard, other than (with kde settings) swapping ctrl-capslock. -- Those who fail to understand recursion are doomed to repeat it

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