August 2015 - kde - Fedora mailing-lists

How to set default session type to Plasma for sddm
by Roderick Johnstone 30 Oct '21

30 Oct '21

Hi How do I set the default session type for sddm to offer to be Plasma? I'm currently getting Gnome Classic? This is F22. Thanks Roderick Johnstone

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nntp (aka, usenet) client in kde?
by Gene Smith 08 Feb '20

08 Feb '20

I currently use t-bird with an nntp account pointing to gmane to read this list and sereral others. Does kde have an nntp client program of any sort? I don't see it as a possible new account type in kmail. Also, search with kpackagekit yields nothing with "usenet" or "nntp" that is kde specific. -gene

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SDDM: restart don't kill greeter/helper-prcoesses
by Reindl Harald 05 Apr '16

05 Apr '16

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1214782 that's not much funny if you are playing around with a own theme and restart the service multiple times or after updates as recently openssl you need to kill the zombie processes manually

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Plasma 5 - Where have all the screensavers gone
by Eli Wapniarski 04 Nov '15

04 Nov '15

In Plasma 5... Where haveall the screensavers gone???? Eli -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.

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DBus error from kdeinit4
by Patrick O'Callaghan 29 Aug '15

29 Aug '15

After updating my system today I decided to follow the recommendation from tracer and restart kdeinit4 to see what would happen (normally I would just log out and in again). $ kdeinit4 kdeinit4: Shutting down running client. Connecting to deprecated signal QDBusConnectionInterface::serviceOwnerChanged(QString,QString,QString) KDE Daemon (kded) already running. kbuildsycoca4 running... kbuildsycoca4(9927)/kdecore (services) KServicePrivate::init: The desktop entry file "ServiceMenus/servicemenueditor.desktop" has Type= "Application" but is located under " "services" " instead of "apps" kbuildsycoca4(9927) KBuildServiceFactory::createEntry: Invalid Service : "ServiceMenus/servicemenueditor.desktop" kbuildsycoca4(9927) VFolderMenu::loadDoc: Parse error in "/home/poc/.config/menus/applications-merged/xdg-desktop-menu-dummy.menu" , line 1 , col 1 : "unexpected end of file" What does this mean? Could it be related to the fact that Plasma and Kmix crash every time I log out? poc

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F21: fedora-easy-karma / bodhi / updates testing / kf5-baloo
by Reindl Harald 29 Aug '15

29 Aug '15

besdies that updates-testing is broken for days now it becomes boring the fedora-easy-karma still don't work bodhi2 at https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/ is unusable for testers because the search field seeks for users, no idea how to get to the current firefox build for give karama as example __________________________________________ Getting list of installed packages... Waiting for Bodhi for a list of packages in updates-testing (F21)... Cannot query Bodhi: 1000 is greater than maximum value 100 python-fedora-0.5.5-2.fc21.noarch __________________________________________ Error: Package: 1:libreoffice-calc-4.3.7.2-9.fc21.x86_64 (installed) Requires: libwps-0.3.so.3()(64bit) Removing: libwps-0.3.1-1.fc21.x86_64 (installed) libwps-0.3.so.3()(64bit) Updated By: libwps-0.4.1-1.fc21.x86_64 (updates-testing) ~libwps-0.4.so.4()(64bit) Available: libwps-0.3.0-3.fc21.x86_64 (fedora) libwps-0.3.so.3()(64bit) Error: Package: 1:libreoffice-writer-4.3.7.2-9.fc21.x86_64 (installed) Requires: libwps-0.3.so.3()(64bit) Removing: libwps-0.3.1-1.fc21.x86_64 (installed) libwps-0.3.so.3()(64bit) Updated By: libwps-0.4.1-1.fc21.x86_64 (updates-testing) ~libwps-0.4.so.4()(64bit) Available: libwps-0.3.0-3.fc21.x86_64 (fedora) libwps-0.3.so.3()(64bit) __________________________________________ *what is that* yum --skip-broken update tries "kf5-baloo replacing baloo.x86_64 4.14.3-1.fc21" and pulls a ton of KF5 dependencies which is a bad joke if the only installed QT/KDE5 application is "sddm" well, and even if you say yes, the deps are horrible broken and since my systems are minimal-setups i doubt that anybody got that installed Transaction check error: file /usr/share/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/kfilemetadata.mo from install of kf5-kfilemetadata-5.13.0-1.fc21.x86_64 conflicts with file from package kde-l10n-German-4.14.3-1.fc21.noarch

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Problems logging out
by Roderick Johnstone 28 Aug '15

28 Aug '15

Hi I've previously reported problems logging out of kde sessions in F22, but that was when I was using the nvidia drivers from rpmfusion: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1238698 I'm now seeing something very similar on nouveau and intel driver systems (with the nvidia driver though there was a 100% cpu ksmserver process which I don't see now): On my nouveau driver system, after selecting logout I got the dimmed/vignetted screen but no confirmation dialogue to click on. It hasn't timed out either, so I'm currently still working on the vignetted screens (dual monitor setup). Another of my users who is using the intel driver on his system has the dim screen (but apparently not vignetted) after trying to log out - no logout dialogue either. Anyone else see this? I wonder if its due to being still logged in after the qt5 5.5 updates came in? If there is any diagnostic info I can get I'd be happy to bz it. Roderick

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can't login more than once
by Glenn Holmer 28 Aug '15

28 Aug '15

This just started happening: I log in, and the progress bar freezes before showing the desktop. The journal shows a core dump for kactivitymanage. I can delete ~/.kde/ and I'm able to login again... once. When I log out and then back in, it freezes again. How do I get out of this? -- Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682) "After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe."

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[radeon] plasma screen corruption/nothing to click on except crash notifier -> black screen
by Felix Miata 28 Aug '15

28 Aug '15

host fi965 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RV370 [Radeon X600/X600 SE] using radeon driver F23 x86_64 freshly dnf upgraded from last same about 10 weeks ago (4.2.rc8 kernel) initial screen corruption eventually clears to black plasmashell PID 1621/1667/1687 segmentation fault (11) multi-user.target startup -> startx IIRC, theme selected is whatever alternative to Breeze was found, likely Oxygen If I un-disable compositing (set via xorg.conf*), crash notifier never appears, and screen corruption remains until Ctrl-Alt-BS .xsession-errors is not being written no BRC bug on point less than 5 months touched last found After clicking off notifiers, screen goes black. No response to Ctrl-Alt-BS with keyboard configured via default /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/00-keyboard.conf. Ctrl-Alt-Fn works. Ctrl-Alt-BS works after fixing 00-keyboard.conf and restarting X. IceWM works normally on same installation. F22/KDE works normally on same host. Tumbleweed works normally on same host, though it's still using as much of KDE4 as remains available, Breeze is not there used, and Oxygen fonts are not there installed as a form of locking out Plasma5. Same problem on same host with freshly upgraded Rawhide. Prior kernels 4.1.rc2 and 4.0.rc4 didn't help. While in 4.0.rc4, something exhausted freespace on EXT4 F23 /. On reboot, it recovered to 37% free of 4.8G total, and dnf clean all brought free to 39%. I replicated with variation on host big41 with rv380 radeon, but by incrementally dnf upgrading and starting after each increment. On the 5th group, kf5*, the trouble started. Excerpt from dnf.log containing the cuplrit: http://fm.no-ip.com/Tmp/Linux/F/dnflog-badKF5.txt The variation on host big41 (F23) is that the splash/desktop background and progress window paint instead of the screen corrupting. Post-crash the background is black. I shut it down, moved the VGA cable to the onboard Intel 4000 port, removed the rv380, and the problem disappeared (1440x900 @108 DPI). I shut it down again, installed a G84 (GT8600), put VGA cable on its #1 DVI port via adapter required for the LCD, and the problem remained gone (working 1440x900). I shut down again, put in an ATI Cedar, connected the VGA cable to it, and again booted to a working 1440x900 Plasma desktop. To follow up, I went to an ATI Radeon rv200 installation, dnf upgraded its (30 July) F23 to today's, and it works as expected, before and after today's upgrade. Suggestions welcome, not sure whether this should have gone to xorg list, test list, devel list, somewhere upstream, or straight to BZ, instead of here in kde. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/

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kf5-kactivities: dvratil-plasma-5 behind fedora 21 updates
by Michael J Gruber 26 Aug '15

26 Aug '15

For Fedora 21: kf5-kactivities-{devel,libs) in updates are at 5.12.0-1.fc21 kf5-kactivities in dvratil-plasma-5 is at 5.11.0-1.fc21.1.plasma5 Needs a rebuild to make the update go through, I guess. Thanks in advance, Michael (Still need to switch to F22, I know...)

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nVidia drivers - an observation (admission)
by Ed Greshko 25 Aug '15

25 Aug '15

Around F19 or F20 my old nVidia card died. I replaced it with a GeForce GTX 660 but did not bother (think) to update the nVidia driver so I've been running the 304xx drivers along with my GeForce GTX 660 card just fine with KDE as my desktop. Of course, F22 came along which brought Plasma-5 to KDE. I started to have problems that I attributed to Plasma-5. After some time artifacts would appear in systray and popup areas of the systray when the mouse hovered over a process. Also at least once a day I'd lose everything on the systray and have to restart plasma. This past Saturday I decided to move to the 340xx drivers, yes I know I really should have moved to 352 now, since that is what my faulty memory told me to do. Anyway, the artifacts haven't reappeared and the systray hasn't needed restarting in the past 2 days. Additionally another problem seems to no longer exist. Previously when I closed the chrome browser several chrome process would be left running. With the "new" drivers this is not the case. I don't think I am the only person that has decided to use nVidia drivers instead of nouveau. But my experience may be something to keep in mind when chasing Plasma-5 problems. -- It seems most people that say they are "done talking about it" never really are until given the last word.

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more multiscreen wierdness
by Neal Becker 24 Aug '15

24 Aug '15

At work I have laptop + external (hdmi) screen. Yesterday I went home, woke laptop from sleep, and had no panel. Previously panel always went with 'primary' display, which was laptop with no external monitor, and external when connected. Which worked fine. I tried logoff/logon, then reboot. Didn't fix it. So I re-added panel, carefully setup as I wanted. Today I connected external monitor. Now each display has it's own panel. Seems like a regression.

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DPMS settings being changed
by Ed Greshko 22 Aug '15

22 Aug '15

In the System Settings I have "Screen Locking" unchecked. But in my .bashrc I have the line xset +dpms dpms 240 240 240 And sure enough after 4 minutes the screens go blank. And when I move the mouse the screen returns. However, after the screens return I do an "xset q" and I find DPMS (Energy Star): Standby: 600 Suspend: 900 Off: 1200 DPMS is Enabled Monitor is On I can't figure out what is changing the settings. Any idea? -- It seems most people that say they are "done talking about it" never really are until given the last word.

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feedback on contributed patch about C.UTF-8 locale
by Rex Dieter 21 Aug '15

21 Aug '15

Can someone with more locale-fu give some opinion/feedback on https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1250238 and/or https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=348678 The former has a proposed patch, that to my untrained eye, looks good. -- Rex

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Dolphin using huge amounts of memory
by Lester M Petrie 21 Aug '15

21 Aug '15

I have been using Krusader because I have been unable to get Dolphin to access some directories that are NFS mounted, while Krusader quite happily traverses them. But this morning I decided to try Dolphin again, as I like some of its interface better. I would be accessing files from Dolphin, when it would just disappear. This happened a couple of times, and I was ready to give up, but decided to look at the journal to see if there was anything there giving a clue as to what was wrong. I found the kernel was killing Dolphin with an OOM event. Dolphin was using ~16Gig of memory both times it was killed. What could it possibly be doing that takes that much memory? Is there some configuration that can reduce the memory required? -- Lester M Petrie RNSD/ORNL 865-574-5259 petrielmjr(a)ornl.gov

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Desktop freeze on NFS share failure
by Emmett Culley 20 Aug '15

20 Aug '15

Why does the desktop freeze whenever an NFS share fails? I have set all NFS mounts to soft,intr and yet, if I forget to unmount a share before taking down the NFS server, my desktop freezes. Luckily I have Yakauke running, so I can at least get to a console. But of course the NFS mount cannot be umounted if it doesn't respond. Also I assumed the setting shares to intr, soft would prevent other software from hanging if the share stops responding. Is that not so? Or is there another setting I am not aware of? Any ideas how to prevent this from happening? Emmett

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Enable/disable touchpad
by Timothy Murphy 20 Aug '15

20 Aug '15

I'm running Fedora-22/KDE on my ThinkPad T510. Ctrl-Y turns off the touchpad on this laptop. But this only works until the next re-boot. In System Settings=>Hardware=>Input Devices=>Touchpad there is an option "Enable/Disable Touchpad" which I assume is meant to toggle the touchpad on and off. On my machine it seems to have no effect. Have I misunderstood its purpose? Or does one have to install some other package for it to work? As I recall, there was a straightforward option "Disable touchpad" in Fedora-21/KDE, which worked perfectly. -- Timothy Murphy gayleard /at/ eircom.net School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin

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konsole5 "fixed" upstream
by Ed Greshko 19 Aug '15

19 Aug '15

Looks as if the cut/paste issue with konsole5 has been fixed upstream. https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=343726 Hope this can make it into F22 soon for testing. While there are workarounds it was frustrating. -- It seems most people that say they are "done talking about it" never really are until given the last word.

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Packaging plasma 5.4 volume applet
by Rajeesh K V 19 Aug '15

19 Aug '15

Hi KDE folks, Has anyone started packaging plasma-pa (new volume applet) for 5.4? If not, I would like to (co)maintain it. SRPM[1] and COPR builds[2] are in links below. Shall I create a review request? [1] https://rajeeshknambiar.fedorapeople.org/copr/plasma-pa-5.3.90-1.fc22.src.r… [2] https://copr.fedoraproject.org/coprs/rajeeshknambiar/kf5-kde-apps/package/p… -- Cheers, Rajeesh http://rajeeshknambiar.wordpress.com

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RE: konsole5 "fixed" upstream
by Rex Dieter 17 Aug '15

17 Aug '15

Ah, I think it's Qt. This build was against qt-5.5, not available in -updates (or updates-testing) yet. I'll sort it out and refresh the build later today -------- Original message -------- From: Ed Greshko <ed.greshko(a)greshko.com> Date: 08/16/2015 7:30 AM (GMT-06:00) To: kde(a)lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Re: konsole5 "fixed" upstream On 08/16/15 19:03, Rex Dieter wrote: > Not broken for me. Please retest, verifying that all currently running > konsole sessions are closed first. > > If problems continue, please try (as root): > 1. run: ldconfig > 2. rpm -q konsole5-part konsole5 [root@meimei Downloads]# dnf install ./konsole5-* Fedora 22 - x86_64 - Updates 530 kB/s | 15 MB 00:28 Last metadata expiration check performed 0:00:19 ago on Sun Aug 16 20:26:42 2015. Dependencies resolved. ================================================================================ Package Arch Version Repository Size ================================================================================ Upgrading: konsole5 x86_64 15.04.3-2.fc22 @commandline 134 k konsole5-part x86_64 15.04.3-2.fc22 @commandline 473 k Transaction Summary ================================================================================ Upgrade 2 Packages Total size: 607 k Is this ok [y/N]: y Downloading Packages: Running transaction check Transaction check succeeded. Running transaction test Transaction test succeeded. Running transaction Upgrading : konsole5-part-15.04.3-2.fc22.x86_64 1/4 Upgrading : konsole5-15.04.3-2.fc22.x86_64 2/4 Cleanup : konsole5-15.04.3-1.fc22.x86_64 3/4 Cleanup : konsole5-part-15.04.3-1.fc22.x86_64 4/4 Verifying : konsole5-part-15.04.3-2.fc22.x86_64 1/4 Verifying : konsole5-15.04.3-2.fc22.x86_64 2/4 Verifying : konsole5-15.04.3-1.fc22.x86_64 3/4 Verifying : konsole5-part-15.04.3-1.fc22.x86_64 4/4 Upgraded: konsole5.x86_64 15.04.3-2.fc22 konsole5-part.x86_64 15.04.3-2.fc22 Complete! [root@meimei Downloads]# konsole konsole: symbol lookup error: /lib64/libkonsoleprivate.so.15: undefined symbol: _ZNK18QAbstractListModel7siblingEiiRK11QModelIndex [root@meimei Downloads]# ldconfig [root@meimei Downloads]# konsole konsole: symbol lookup error: /lib64/libkonsoleprivate.so.15: undefined symbol: _ZNK18QAbstractListModel7siblingEiiRK11QModelIndex [root@meimei Downloads]# rpm -q konsole5-part konsole5 konsole5-part-15.04.3-2.fc22.x86_64 konsole5-15.04.3-2.fc22.x86_64 -- It seems most people that say they are "done talking about it" never really are until given the last word. _______________________________________________ kde mailing list kde(a)lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/kde New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org

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KMail: Retrieving Folder Contents
by Timothy Murphy 16 Aug '15

16 Aug '15

KMail hangs on my Fedora-22/KDE laptop every 2 or 3 days with the above message. This has occurred with previous versions of Fedora, but in the past I could usually cure it by opening AkonadiKonsole, going to the relevant IMAP server, and right-clicking it off-line and then on-line. This no longer seems to work. The only cure I have found is to re-boot the laptop. I looked at the KDE bugzilla, and this problem with KMail seems to have been there for years, without as far as I can see any solution being suggested. I wonder if anyone knows the cause of this problem; and even better, how to solve it? The IMAP (dovecot) server is on the same network on a CentOS-7 machine. Re-starting dovecot on that machine does not help. -- Timothy Murphy gayleard /at/ eircom.net School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin

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Proposal: Defer browser decision until QtWebEngine's fate is clear
by Kevin Kofler 14 Aug '15

14 Aug '15

Hi, I noticed that there have been 2 recent developments that make it much more likely for QtWebEngine (and Chromium) to become acceptable for Fedora: 1. Samsung developed a multimedia backend for Chromium that uses GStreamer instead of FFmpeg: http://blogs.s-osg.org/announcing-a-new-gstreamer-backend-for-chromium/ 2. V8 upstream is working on a bytecode interpreter in their master branch, which can serve as a fallback for architectures (non-SSE2 i686, secondary architectures) not supported by the V8 JIT: https://chromium.googlesource.com/v8/v8/+log/master/src/interpreter In addition, the people who were at Akademy are reporting that at least the QtWebEngine upstream is cooperative when it comes to unbundling libraries, and there has been significant progress on that. The Qupzilla browser is working on a QtWebEngine-based version, and there are also first plans (and some experimental code) for a KDE QtWebEngine browser under the name "Fiber". I propose that we stick to Konqueror/KWebKitPart at least until it is clear whether we can get QtWebEngine in. If it works out, then we can plan a move to Qupzilla, Fiber, or a new browser if one comes out (or maybe even stick to Konqueror if somebody writes a KWebEnginePart for it). If we KNOW it doesn't work out, and if we have no way to keep KWebKitPart up to date, THAT would be the moment to consider non-KDE alternatives (e.g. Firefox). Shipping Firefox as a one-time stopgap is not worth it when a better solution may actually be round the corner. Therefore: Proposal: For Fedora 23, we stick with Konqueror. Evaluation of QtWebEngine is still ongoing, due also to recent upstream developments. We will reconsider the default browser decision after that. +1 from me for this proposal, obviously. The other voting members, please vote. Kevin Kofler

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Is it time to request a Chromium exception? (Was switch default browser to Firefox)
by Gerald B. Cox 11 Aug '15

11 Aug '15

On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 9:56 AM, Dan Mossor <danofsatx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > The correct avenue here, in light of the news from the upstream products, > is to keep the status quo regardless of the lack of usability. When we > finally get a fully-featured Qt based browser, that is when we switch. We > DO NOT switch to a GTk based browser that has zero integration with the > Plasma desktop - single click selection of files and directories within > Firefox doesn't even work, let alone the theming and other issues. > Ironically, those two items, as well as integration with kWallet, work fine > with Google Chrome (which is not a choice in this discussion). Tom Calloway has been working on Chromium - and his copr is up-to-date for anyone who wants to try it. https://copr.fedoraproject.org/coprs/spot/chromium/ It's been a slow slog working through the issues keeping it from the official repository, but progress has been made: https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=28287 Things have also changed over the years, we now have blink, and Chrome/Chromium's popularity has continued to grow. Firefox has exceptions mainly because it is deemed "to popular" to keep out of the distribution. Perhaps Chromium has now reached that point.

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proposal: switch default browser on plasma spin to firefox
by Rex Dieter 11 Aug '15

11 Aug '15

Based on our prior kde-sig meeting, we'd tentatively agreed to pursue considering using a default browser different than konqueror. I'm proposing we consider using firefox by default instead. Secondary proposal: keep konqueror installed as a secondary browser (and file manager, etc). It's runtime footprint is only ~6mb. I asked some Plasma workgroup member(1) members for votes on irc, and those without documented votes yet include: Martin Bříza (mbriza): no vote Kevin Kofler (Kevin_Kofler): no vote Than Ngo (than): no vote Lukáš Tinkl (ltinkl): no vote Dan Vrátil (dvratil): no vote This message is a call for formal +1/-1 vote from these folks. Please limit this mailing list thread to votes only, and start new thread(s) if you wish to continue discussing the the pros/cons on the topic. Thanks. -- Rex (1) Plasma workgroup membership as listed on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Plasma_Product

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Default browser in Fedora KDE Plasma
by Mustafa Muhammad 10 Aug '15

10 Aug '15

We had a thread here discussing "changing the default browser", or adding a better browser than Konqueror, you can see the thread in this mailing list archives. https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/kde/2015-August/thread.html https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/kde/2015-July/thread.html Some of my points were: 1) Almost dead upstream for Konq, vs thriving upstream for Firefox, Konq may have undiscovered security vulnerabilities, but the limited number of users is hiding them. 2) Slower Konq (maybe qtwebkit to blame) 3) KHTML and QtWebEngine not supporting the latest standard (HTML5). 4) The video codecs issue (now, Konq doesn't run YouTube out of the box), even if this bug get fixed, no foreseeable YouTube VP9 support (because MSE) in Konq, VP9 is about 60% the size of VP8 at the same quality and is supported in Firefox and MSE is being worked on. Then Rex suggested to discuss this in KDE SIG meeting, on Tuesday, 4-8-2015. In the meeting Kevin Kofler voted against the change. Daniel Vrátil "believes we should go for Firefox with Konqueror as a fallback", but voted against the change to avoid a flame war. 5 other KDE SIG members voted for the change. So without a flame war, we have 6 KDE SIG members want the change, and Kevin Kofler refuses it. Rex asked in a thread for a formal vote, +1 or -1, and explicitly said "Please limit this mailing list thread to votes only, and start new thread(s) if you wish to continue discussing the the pros/cons on the topic.", but the thread got some discussion, and Kevin said "we should of course listen to our users". If the decision should be made by the KDE SIG members, please proceed, I think 6 vs 1 is a good shot, even if this 1 is Kevin Kofler. If, like Kevin said, we listen to our users, please make a public poll, e.g. on Fedora page on Google+, to see what the users want. You can provide a better experience to Fedora KDE users, please do. Mustafa Muhammad

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