6:51 a.m.
On 06/22/2014 07:20 PM, Markus Slopianka wrote:
Hi.
Not sure why it seems to happen with every update but once again
kde-workspace 4.11.10 tries to install Nepomuk. ;-)
Is there anything we can do to help fix this?
it's just that the nepomuk-free kde-workspace build from kde-unstable
got superceded by a recent update:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2014-7457/kde-workspace-4....
We have concrete plans to start work on brining kde-4.13.x to f20
officially, but I guess we haven't decided on how best to deal with the
nepomuk transition yet (ie, whether remove nepomuk-related deps from
core kde packages or not).
-- Rex
11:11 a.m.
New subject: kde-4.13.x for f20, include optional nepomuk support or not?
Rex Dieter wrote:
On 06/22/2014 07:20 PM, Markus Slopianka wrote:
> Hi.
> Not sure why it seems to happen with every update but once again
> kde-workspace 4.11.10 tries to install Nepomuk. ;-)
>
> Is there anything we can do to help fix this?
it's just that the nepomuk-free kde-workspace build from kde-unstable
got superceded by a recent update:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2014-7457/kde-workspace-4....
We have concrete plans to start work on brining kde-4.13.x to f20
officially, but I guess we haven't decided on how best to deal with the
nepomuk transition yet (ie, whether remove nepomuk-related deps from
core kde packages or not).
OK, kde-sig members, please add your opinion this topic ^^.
I think I'm of a mind to removing optional nepomuk-related deps when
kde-4.13.x lands, since
* baloo migrates old nepomuk data
* nepomukserver no longer runs, so the related features don't really work
anymore (afaik).
-- Rex
12:18 p.m.
New subject: kde-4.13.x for f20, include optional nepomuk support or not?
Agree. It no longer runs and the features don't work - so why have it?
On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 9:11 AM, Rex Dieter <rdieter(a)math.unl.edu> wrote:
Rex Dieter wrote:
> On 06/22/2014 07:20 PM, Markus Slopianka wrote:
>> Hi.
>> Not sure why it seems to happen with every update but once again
>> kde-workspace 4.11.10 tries to install Nepomuk. ;-)
>>
>> Is there anything we can do to help fix this?
>
> it's just that the nepomuk-free kde-workspace build from kde-unstable
> got superceded by a recent update:
>
>
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2014-7457/kde-workspace-4....
>
> We have concrete plans to start work on brining kde-4.13.x to f20
> officially, but I guess we haven't decided on how best to deal with the
> nepomuk transition yet (ie, whether remove nepomuk-related deps from
> core kde packages or not).
OK, kde-sig members, please add your opinion this topic ^^.
I think I'm of a mind to removing optional nepomuk-related deps when
kde-4.13.x lands, since
* baloo migrates old nepomuk data
* nepomukserver no longer runs, so the related features don't really work
anymore (afaik).
-- Rex
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7:32 p.m.
New subject: kde-4.13.x for f20, include optional nepomuk support or not?
While I'm not a SIG member, may I suggest that
a.) Nepomuk will be dropped in favor of Baloo and
b.) Post announcements via the usual channels ( http://fedoramagazine.org ,
Google+, Facebook, etc.) that an update will be released and explain that the
index will be recreated / converted and that this may take a while.
We did the same back in the day when Nepomuk 2.0 succeeded 1.x in the official
kde.org announcement, resulting in IIRC zero "Nepomuk got buggy and eats CPU"
complaints. <http://kde.org/announcements/4.11/platform.php>
Markus
On Monday 23 June 2014 11:11:41 Rex Dieter wrote:
Rex Dieter wrote:
> On 06/22/2014 07:20 PM, Markus Slopianka wrote:
>> Hi.
>> Not sure why it seems to happen with every update but once again
>> kde-workspace 4.11.10 tries to install Nepomuk. ;-)
>>
>> Is there anything we can do to help fix this?
>
> it's just that the nepomuk-free kde-workspace build from kde-unstable
> got superceded by a recent update:
>
> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2014-7457/kde-workspace-4.1
> 1.10-2.fc20
>
> We have concrete plans to start work on brining kde-4.13.x to f20
> officially, but I guess we haven't decided on how best to deal with the
> nepomuk transition yet (ie, whether remove nepomuk-related deps from
> core kde packages or not).
OK, kde-sig members, please add your opinion this topic ^^.
I think I'm of a mind to removing optional nepomuk-related deps when
kde-4.13.x lands, since
* baloo migrates old nepomuk data
* nepomukserver no longer runs, so the related features don't really work
anymore (afaik).
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3:41 a.m.
New subject: kde-4.13.x for f20, include optional nepomuk support or not?
On Monday 23 of June 2014 11:11:41 Rex Dieter wrote:
Rex Dieter wrote:
> On 06/22/2014 07:20 PM, Markus Slopianka wrote:
>> Hi.
>> Not sure why it seems to happen with every update but once again
>> kde-workspace 4.11.10 tries to install Nepomuk. ;-)
>>
>> Is there anything we can do to help fix this?
>
> it's just that the nepomuk-free kde-workspace build from kde-unstable
> got superceded by a recent update:
>
> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2014-7457/kde-workspace-4.1
> 1.10-2.fc20
>
> We have concrete plans to start work on brining kde-4.13.x to f20
> officially, but I guess we haven't decided on how best to deal with the
> nepomuk transition yet (ie, whether remove nepomuk-related deps from
> core kde packages or not).
OK, kde-sig members, please add your opinion this topic ^^.
+1, kill it with fire
I think I'm of a mind to removing optional nepomuk-related deps
when
kde-4.13.x lands, since
* baloo migrates old nepomuk data
I think that only tags are migrated (?), files and PIM data are reindexed from
scratch, but that does not matter given how fast and effective Baloo is.
* nepomukserver no longer runs, so the related features don't
really work
anymore (afaik).
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9:44 a.m.
New subject: kde-4.13.x for f20, include optional nepomuk support or not?
On Tuesday 24 June 2014 10:41:09 Daniel Vrátil wrote:
I think that only tags are migrated (?), files and PIM data are
reindexed
from scratch, but that does not matter given how fast and effective Baloo
is.
True but it should be communicated nonetheless.
I'd volunteer to write a few lines if you guys would spread them over the
channels.
12:02 p.m.
New subject: kde-4.13.x for f20, include optional nepomuk support or not?
Markus Slopianka wrote:
On Tuesday 24 June 2014 10:41:09 Daniel Vrátil wrote:
> I think that only tags are migrated (?), files and PIM data are reindexed
> from scratch, but that does not matter given how fast and effective Baloo
> is.
True but it should be communicated nonetheless.
I'd volunteer to write a few lines if you guys would spread them over the
channels.
Yes, please do, that would be very welcome. Thanks.
-- Rex
9:50 p.m.
New subject: kde-4.13.x for f20, include optional nepomuk support or not?
Here's the announcement. I wrote it late in the night, so please proofread it.
A typo here and there may have slipped through.
Fedora's KDE team is pleased to announce the release of KDE Applications
4.13.2 as regular Fedora 20 update.
The team is breaking habit a little bit: Usually only one bigger version jump
of KDE Applications is shipped as Fedora update. However, the prolonged Fedora
21 release cycle and the fact that 4.13 passed Fedora's testing made the
decision to ship 4.13 easy.
The biggest change in 4.13 is the switch of KDE Semantic Search's back-end
from Nepomuk to Baloo which brings many performance and stability benefits.
However, due this change the search index needs to be rebuilt. Reindexing
happens automatically. How long this procedure takes depends on the amount of
data stored on your hard drive.
Part of this Semantic Search overhaul is a new configuration module. It's
designed to be simpler for average users. More experienced users may be
interested in installing <tt>baloo-kcmadv</tt>.
Other new features of 4.13 are advancements in Kontact, Kate, Dolphin, and
more.
Further reading:
KDE Applications 4.13 announcement - http://kde.org/announcements/4.13/
KDE's Next Generation Semantic Search -
http://kdenews.org/2014/02/24/kdes-next-generation-semantic-search
New Desktop Search Configuration -
http://vhanda.in/blog/2014/04/desktop-search-configuration/
baloo-kcmadv, alternate Baloo KCM Module -
http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-devel&m=139824228003252&w=2
10:48 p.m.
New subject: kde-4.13.x for f20, include optional nepomuk support or not?
On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 8:20 AM, Markus Slopianka <kamikazow(a)gmx.de> wrote:
Here's the announcement. I wrote it late in the night, so please
proofread it.
A typo here and there may have slipped through.
Fedora's KDE team is pleased to announce the release of KDE Applications
4.13.2 as regular Fedora 20 update.
The team is breaking habit a little bit: Usually only one bigger version jump
of KDE Applications is shipped as Fedora update. However, the prolonged Fedora
21 release cycle and the fact that 4.13 passed Fedora's testing made the
decision to ship 4.13 easy.
The biggest change in 4.13 is the switch of KDE Semantic Search's back-end
from Nepomuk to Baloo which brings many performance and stability benefits.
However, due this change the search index needs to be rebuilt. Reindexing
happens automatically. How long this procedure takes depends on the amount of
data stored on your hard drive.
Part of this Semantic Search overhaul is a new configuration module. It's
designed to be simpler for average users. More experienced users may be
interested in installing <tt>baloo-kcmadv</tt>.
Other new features of 4.13 are advancements in Kontact, Kate, Dolphin, and
more.
Further reading:
KDE Applications 4.13 announcement - http://kde.org/announcements/4.13/
KDE's Next Generation Semantic Search -
http://kdenews.org/2014/02/24/kdes-next-generation-semantic-search
New Desktop Search Configuration -
http://vhanda.in/blog/2014/04/desktop-search-configuration/
baloo-kcmadv, alternate Baloo KCM Module -
http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-devel&m=139824228003252&w=2
It is our pleasure to announce immediate availability of KDE
Applications 4.13 for Fedora 20[1]. Due to extended release period of
Fedora 21, we would like our users to continue to experience the
latest features and bug-fixes from upstream.
This major release of KDE SC 4.13 introduces Baloo, an improved
semantic search infrastructure, which deprecates Nepomuk[2]. Baloo
brings significantly faster searching and indexing, more relevant
search results, improved reliability, lower resource usage and less
data storage. The upgrade requires database migration that should be
handled automatically for you by the upgrade which may require
temporary increased processing power. Several of the KDE applications
have already been ported to Baloo while downstream applications are
expected make the switch. The upstream ships a minimalistic KCM module
for management of Baloo[3]. Although users with advanced needs are
advised to look into baloo-kcmadv[4].
-KDE SIG Team.
[1] http://kde.org/announcements/4.13/
[2] http://kdenews.org/2014/02/24/kdes-next-generation-semantic-search
[3] http://vhanda.in/blog/2014/04/desktop-search-configuration/
[4] http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-devel&m=139824228003252&w=2
Thought to flex some writing muscle. Thanks Markus Slopianka. Hope it helps.
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5:23 a.m.
New subject: kde-4.13.x for f20, include optional nepomuk support or not?
On Thu, 2014-06-26 at 09:18 +0530, Sudhir Khanger wrote:
It is our pleasure to announce immediate availability of KDE
... the immediate availability ...
Applications 4.13 for Fedora 20[1]. Due to extended release period of
... the extended release period ...
Fedora 21, we would like our users to continue to experience the
latest features and bug-fixes from upstream.
This major release of KDE SC 4.13 introduces Baloo, an improved
semantic search infrastructure, which deprecates Nepomuk[2]. Baloo
Baloo doesn't deprecate Nepomuk, it replaces it. The devels deprecate
it.
brings significantly faster searching and indexing, more relevant
search results, improved reliability, lower resource usage and less
data storage.
Does "less data storage" mean it stores less data, or that the data is
stored more efficiently?
The upgrade requires database migration that should be
handled automatically for you by the upgrade which may require
... upgrade. This may require ...
temporary increased processing power. Several of the KDE
applications
have already been ported to Baloo while downstream applications are
expected make the switch.
... to make the switch ...
The upstream ships a minimalistic KCM module
... minimalist [or minimal] ...
for management of Baloo[3]. Although users with advanced needs are
advised to look into baloo-kcmadv[4].
Either:
Baloo[3]. However, users with ...
or
Baloo[3], though users ...
(assuming the references are correct)
poc
7:35 a.m.
New subject: kde-4.13.x for f20, include optional nepomuk support or not?
On Thursday 26 June 2014 09:18:04 Sudhir Khanger wrote:
This major release of KDE SC 4.13 introduces Baloo, an improved
semantic search infrastructure, which deprecates Nepomuk[2].
It's not "SC", just "Applications".
KDE Semantic Search became a name, therefore you write it in capital letters.
Several of the KDE applications
have already been ported to Baloo while downstream applications are
expected make the switch.
Not sure if 'upstream-downstream' jargon is good....
The upstream ships a minimalistic KCM module
for management of Baloo[3]. Although users with advanced needs are
advised to look into baloo-kcmadv[4].
'Minimalistic' comes across as an insult...
12:41 p.m.
New subject: kde-4.13.x for f20, include optional nepomuk support or not?
Markus Slopianka wrote:
On Thursday 26 June 2014 09:18:04 Sudhir Khanger wrote:
> The upstream ships a minimalistic KCM module
> for management of Baloo[3]. Although users with advanced needs are
> advised to look into baloo-kcmadv[4].
'Minimalistic' comes across as an insult...
No, it's still an euphemism, "crippled" would be the correct word.
Kevin Kofler
(who thinks baloo-kcmadv should be the default and
the crippled one dropped from Fedora entirely)
9:15 a.m.
New subject: kde-4.13.x for f20, include optional nepomuk support or not?
On Friday 11 July 2014 19:41:54 Kevin Kofler wrote:
No, it's still an euphemism, "crippled" would be the
correct word.
Kevin Kofler
(who thinks baloo-kcmadv should be the default and
the crippled one dropped from Fedora entirely)
Advanced users have no problems installing packages afterwards, esp. when it's
documented. I see no problem.
9:45 a.m.
New subject: kde-4.13.x for f20, include optional nepomuk support or not?
What happened to posting this announcement?
On Thursday 26 June 2014 04:50:27 Markus Slopianka wrote:
Here's the announcement. I wrote it late in the night, so please
proofread
it. A typo here and there may have slipped through.
Fedora's KDE team is pleased to announce the release of KDE Applications
4.13.2 as regular Fedora 20 update.
The team is breaking habit a little bit: Usually only one bigger version
jump of KDE Applications is shipped as Fedora update. However, the
prolonged Fedora 21 release cycle and the fact that 4.13 passed Fedora's
testing made the decision to ship 4.13 easy.
The biggest change in 4.13 is the switch of KDE Semantic Search's back-end
from Nepomuk to Baloo which brings many performance and stability benefits.
However, due this change the search index needs to be rebuilt. Reindexing
happens automatically. How long this procedure takes depends on the amount
of data stored on your hard drive.
Part of this Semantic Search overhaul is a new configuration module. It's
designed to be simpler for average users. More experienced users may be
interested in installing <tt>baloo-kcmadv</tt>.
Other new features of 4.13 are advancements in Kontact, Kate, Dolphin, and
more.
Further reading:
KDE Applications 4.13 announcement - http://kde.org/announcements/4.13/
KDE's Next Generation Semantic Search -
http://kdenews.org/2014/02/24/kdes-next-generation-semantic-search New
Desktop Search Configuration -
http://vhanda.in/blog/2014/04/desktop-search-configuration/ baloo-kcmadv,
alternate Baloo KCM Module -
http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-devel&m=139824228003252&w=2
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12:43 p.m.
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Sorry, I dropped the ball sending this out (and am now in remote location
with bad internet on vacation). Any other KDE-SIGer able/willing to send
out any semi-official announcement about it?
Otherwise, I can early next week.
-- rex
Markus Slopianka wrote:
What happened to posting this announcement?
On Thursday 26 June 2014 04:50:27 Markus Slopianka wrote:
> Here's the announcement. I wrote it late in the night, so please
> proofread it. A typo here and there may have slipped through.
>
>
> Fedora's KDE team is pleased to announce the release of KDE Applications
> 4.13.2 as regular Fedora 20 update.
> The team is breaking habit a little bit: Usually only one bigger version
> jump of KDE Applications is shipped as Fedora update. However, the
> prolonged Fedora 21 release cycle and the fact that 4.13 passed Fedora's
> testing made the decision to ship 4.13 easy.
>
> The biggest change in 4.13 is the switch of KDE Semantic Search's
> back-end from Nepomuk to Baloo which brings many performance and
> stability benefits. However, due this change the search index needs to be
> rebuilt. Reindexing happens automatically. How long this procedure takes
> depends on the amount of data stored on your hard drive.
> Part of this Semantic Search overhaul is a new configuration module. It's
> designed to be simpler for average users. More experienced users may be
> interested in installing <tt>baloo-kcmadv</tt>.
>
> Other new features of 4.13 are advancements in Kontact, Kate, Dolphin,
> and more.
>
> Further reading:
> KDE Applications 4.13 announcement - http://kde.org/announcements/4.13/
> KDE's Next Generation Semantic Search -
> http://kdenews.org/2014/02/24/kdes-next-generation-semantic-search New
> Desktop Search Configuration -
> http://vhanda.in/blog/2014/04/desktop-search-configuration/ baloo-kcmadv,
> alternate Baloo KCM Module -
> http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-devel&m=139824228003252&w=2
>
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Dne 23.6.2014 18:11, Rex Dieter napsal(a):
Rex Dieter wrote:
> On 06/22/2014 07:20 PM, Markus Slopianka wrote:
>> Hi.
>> Not sure why it seems to happen with every update but once again
>> kde-workspace 4.11.10 tries to install Nepomuk. ;-)
>>
>> Is there anything we can do to help fix this?
>
> it's just that the nepomuk-free kde-workspace build from kde-unstable
> got superceded by a recent update:
>
>
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2014-7457/kde-workspace-4....
>
> We have concrete plans to start work on brining kde-4.13.x to f20
> officially, but I guess we haven't decided on how best to deal with the
> nepomuk transition yet (ie, whether remove nepomuk-related deps from
> core kde packages or not).
OK, kde-sig members, please add your opinion this topic ^^.
I think I'm of a mind to removing optional nepomuk-related deps when
kde-4.13.x lands, since
* baloo migrates old nepomuk data
* nepomukserver no longer runs, so the related features don't really work
anymore (afaik).
-- Rex
+1 remove it
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8:28 p.m.
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On 06/24/2014 05:00 AM, Lukáš Tinkl wrote:
Dne 23.6.2014 18:11, Rex Dieter napsal(a):
> Rex Dieter wrote:
>
>> On 06/22/2014 07:20 PM, Markus Slopianka wrote:
>>> Hi.
>>> Not sure why it seems to happen with every update but once again
>>> kde-workspace 4.11.10 tries to install Nepomuk. ;-)
>>>
>>> Is there anything we can do to help fix this?
>>
>> it's just that the nepomuk-free kde-workspace build from kde-unstable
>> got superceded by a recent update:
>>
>>
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2014-7457/kde-workspace-4....
>>
>>
>> We have concrete plans to start work on brining kde-4.13.x to f20
>> officially, but I guess we haven't decided on how best to deal with the
>> nepomuk transition yet (ie, whether remove nepomuk-related deps from
>> core kde packages or not).
>
>
> OK, kde-sig members, please add your opinion this topic ^^.
>
> I think I'm of a mind to removing optional nepomuk-related deps when
> kde-4.13.x lands, since
> * baloo migrates old nepomuk data
> * nepomukserver no longer runs, so the related features don't really
> work
> anymore (afaik).
>
> -- Rex
+1 remove it
Another +1 from me.
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