Hi there.
I recently decided to try out Fedora, and installed it on my desktop computer. It has multiple sound cards, and I blogged about the process here:
http://blogologue.com/frames?url=http://blogologue.com/blog_entry?id=1506168...
Today I looked around in the system settings menu, and found that I could set the preferred sound device there.
Wouldn't it be a bit easier for a novice user to configure the preferred sound device from the sound panel in the taskbar? At least to begin with.
And sound settings is easier to understand than "multimedia".
Regards,
Morten
On 09/29/17 03:18, Morten W. Petersen wrote:
I recently decided to try out Fedora, and installed it on my desktop computer. It has multiple sound cards, and I blogged about the process here:
http://blogologue.com/frames?url=http://blogologue.com/blog_entry?id=1506168...
Today I looked around in the system settings menu, and found that I could set the preferred sound device there.
Wouldn't it be a bit easier for a novice user to configure the preferred sound device from the sound panel in the taskbar? At least to begin with.
And sound settings is easier to understand than "multimedia".
If you must use nVidia drivers there is a much easier way to do it than you write about in your blog. The fine folks over at RPMfusion have made it as simply enabling their repositories and typing "dnf install akmod-nvidia" for all the newer generation cards.
The "preferred" sound card can easily be accessed in F26 from the taskbar. Clicking on the speaker icon will show "Playback Devices" and the "hamburger" icon brings up a menu to select the default device. This is the same in all distros since this all comes from kde.org.
On Friday, 29 September 2017 9:58:14 AM AEST Ed Greshko wrote:
On 09/29/17 03:18, Morten W. Petersen wrote:
I recently decided to try out Fedora, and installed it on my desktop computer. It has multiple sound cards, and I blogged about the process here:
http://blogologue.com/frames?url=http://blogologue.com/blog_entry?id=15061 68845X29
Today I looked around in the system settings menu, and found that I could set the preferred sound device there.
Wouldn't it be a bit easier for a novice user to configure the preferred sound device from the sound panel in the taskbar? At least to begin with.
And sound settings is easier to understand than "multimedia".
If you must use nVidia drivers there is a much easier way to do it than you write about in your blog. The fine folks over at RPMfusion have made it as simply enabling their repositories and typing "dnf install akmod-nvidia" for all the newer generation cards.
Are the RPMFusion drivers still way behind?
I raised this a while back and was told that they're not going to update until audio over HDMI was fixed or similar...
For this reason, I used the negitivo repo for nVidia drivers - as I don't use any HDMI ports - or audio over them.
On 09/29/17 09:32, Steven Haigh wrote:
On Friday, 29 September 2017 9:58:14 AM AEST Ed Greshko wrote:
On 09/29/17 03:18, Morten W. Petersen wrote:
I recently decided to try out Fedora, and installed it on my desktop computer. It has multiple sound cards, and I blogged about the process here:
http://blogologue.com/frames?url=http://blogologue.com/blog_entry?id=15061 68845X29
Today I looked around in the system settings menu, and found that I could set the preferred sound device there.
Wouldn't it be a bit easier for a novice user to configure the preferred sound device from the sound panel in the taskbar? At least to begin with.
And sound settings is easier to understand than "multimedia".
If you must use nVidia drivers there is a much easier way to do it than you write about in your blog. The fine folks over at RPMfusion have made it as simply enabling their repositories and typing "dnf install akmod-nvidia" for all the newer generation cards.
Are the RPMFusion drivers still way behind?
Define "way behind". They are at version 375.66-3. And 384.90-1 is in updates-testing.
I raised this a while back and was told that they're not going to update until audio over HDMI was fixed or similar...
Audion over HDMI is working just fine for me. I don't use it much since the builtin speakers on my monitors aren't as good as my Bose speakers connected to my sound card.
For this reason, I used the negitivo repo for nVidia drivers - as I don't use any HDMI ports - or audio over them.
Another option. Whatever works for you.
On Friday, 29 September 2017 11:43:49 AM AEST Ed Greshko wrote:
On 09/29/17 09:32, Steven Haigh wrote:
On Friday, 29 September 2017 9:58:14 AM AEST Ed Greshko wrote:
On 09/29/17 03:18, Morten W. Petersen wrote:
I recently decided to try out Fedora, and installed it on my desktop computer. It has multiple sound cards, and I blogged about the process here:
http://blogologue.com/frames?url=http://blogologue.com/blog_entry?id=150 61 68845X29
Today I looked around in the system settings menu, and found that I could set the preferred sound device there.
Wouldn't it be a bit easier for a novice user to configure the preferred sound device from the sound panel in the taskbar? At least to begin with.
And sound settings is easier to understand than "multimedia".
If you must use nVidia drivers there is a much easier way to do it than you write about in your blog. The fine folks over at RPMfusion have made it as simply enabling their repositories and typing "dnf install akmod-nvidia" for all the newer generation cards.
Are the RPMFusion drivers still way behind?
Define "way behind". They are at version 375.66-3. And 384.90-1 is in updates-testing.
Ahhh - maybe they're updating them in updates-testing, but not pushing to the main repo until whatever target gets reached...
On 09/29/17 10:41, Steven Haigh wrote:
Ahhh - maybe they're updating them in updates-testing, but not pushing to the main repo until whatever target gets reached...
You could always ask on the rpmfusion lists if you're interested. I wouldn't classify 375.66-3 way old. It seems to me it was installed just a couple of months ago. Looking at the nVidia website none of the newer versions have any bug fixes that have any bearing on my cards. And, as I said, HDMI sounds works just fine.
And, if you want the newer versions from rpmfusion they are there to install. I'm in no rush, but may install them anyway due to boredom. :-)
[...]
Are the RPMFusion drivers still way behind?
Define "way behind". They are at version 375.66-3. And 384.90-1 is in updates-testing.
I raised this a while back and was told that they're not going to update until audio over HDMI was fixed or similar...
Well my critique of the NVIDIA setup is critique of NVIDIA, that choose to do things this way, forcing the distro creators to leave those drivers out.
To me it sounds like NVIDIA wants to exert control and by doing things the way they are, they are making it more difficult for example for Fedora to compete.
They are a US-based company after all, as is Microsoft and a host of other IT companies.
-Morten
Le Friday, September 29, 2017 3:32:10 AM CEST Steven Haigh a écrit :
On Friday, 29 September 2017 9:58:14 AM AEST Ed Greshko wrote:
On 09/29/17 03:18, Morten W. Petersen wrote:
I recently decided to try out Fedora, and installed it on my desktop computer. It has multiple sound cards, and I blogged about the process here:
http://blogologue.com/frames?url=http://blogologue.com/blog_entry?id=15 061 68845X29
Today I looked around in the system settings menu, and found that I could set the preferred sound device there.
Wouldn't it be a bit easier for a novice user to configure the preferred sound device from the sound panel in the taskbar? At least to begin with.
And sound settings is easier to understand than "multimedia".
If you must use nVidia drivers there is a much easier way to do it than you write about in your blog. The fine folks over at RPMfusion have made it as simply enabling their repositories and typing "dnf install akmod-nvidia" for all the newer generation cards.
Are the RPMFusion drivers still way behind?
They are. That is why I would recommand, nowdays, to use the Negativo repositories. The commands to use are described here:
https://negativo17.org/nvidia-driver/
On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 11:47 AM, Laurent Rineau laurent.rineau__fedora@normalesup.org wrote:
Le Friday, September 29, 2017 3:32:10 AM CEST Steven Haigh a écrit :
On Friday, 29 September 2017 9:58:14 AM AEST Ed Greshko wrote:
On 09/29/17 03:18, Morten W. Petersen wrote:
I recently decided to try out Fedora, and installed it on my desktop computer. It has multiple sound cards, and I blogged about the process here:
http://blogologue.com/frames?url=http://blogologue.com/blog_entry?id=15 061 68845X29
Today I looked around in the system settings menu, and found that I could set the preferred sound device there.
Wouldn't it be a bit easier for a novice user to configure the preferred sound device from the sound panel in the taskbar? At least to begin with.
And sound settings is easier to understand than "multimedia".
If you must use nVidia drivers there is a much easier way to do it than you write about in your blog. The fine folks over at RPMfusion have made it as simply enabling their repositories and typing "dnf install akmod-nvidia" for all the newer generation cards.
Are the RPMFusion drivers still way behind?
They are. That is why I would recommand, nowdays, to use the Negativo repositories. The commands to use are described here:
Well is this splintering of NVIDIA driver maintenance something that has some good reasons or is it simply something like technical purism?
I saw something about 96 DPI in the configuration section of negativo17.org but didn't quite get what that was about.
-Morten
On Fri, 2017-09-29 at 15:36 +0200, Morten W. Petersen wrote:
On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 11:47 AM, Laurent Rineau laurent.rineau__fedora@normalesup.org wrote:
Le Friday, September 29, 2017 3:32:10 AM CEST Steven Haigh a écrit :
On Friday, 29 September 2017 9:58:14 AM AEST Ed Greshko wrote:
On 09/29/17 03:18, Morten W. Petersen wrote:
I recently decided to try out Fedora, and installed it on my desktop computer. It has multiple sound cards, and I blogged about the process here:
http://blogologue.com/frames?url=http://blogologue.com/blog_entry?id=15 061 68845X29
Today I looked around in the system settings menu, and found that I could set the preferred sound device there.
Wouldn't it be a bit easier for a novice user to configure the preferred sound device from the sound panel in the taskbar? At least to begin with.
And sound settings is easier to understand than "multimedia".
If you must use nVidia drivers there is a much easier way to do it than you write about in your blog. The fine folks over at RPMfusion have made it as simply enabling their repositories and typing "dnf install akmod-nvidia" for all the newer generation cards.
Are the RPMFusion drivers still way behind?
They are. That is why I would recommand, nowdays, to use the Negativo repositories. The commands to use are described here:
Well is this splintering of NVIDIA driver maintenance something that has some good reasons or is it simply something like technical purism?
I saw something about 96 DPI in the configuration section of negativo17.org but didn't quite get what that was about.
As Ed already said, maybe you should ask on the RPMfusion lists.
poc
On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 5:17 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallaghan@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 2017-09-29 at 15:36 +0200, Morten W. Petersen wrote:
On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 11:47 AM, Laurent Rineau laurent.rineau__fedora@normalesup.org wrote:
Le Friday, September 29, 2017 3:32:10 AM CEST Steven Haigh a écrit :
On Friday, 29 September 2017 9:58:14 AM AEST Ed Greshko wrote:
On 09/29/17 03:18, Morten W. Petersen wrote:
I recently decided to try out Fedora, and installed it on my desktop computer. It has multiple sound cards, and I blogged about the process here:
http://blogologue.com/frames?url=http://blogologue.com/blog_entry?id=15 061 68845X29
Today I looked around in the system settings menu, and found that I could set the preferred sound device there.
Wouldn't it be a bit easier for a novice user to configure the preferred sound device from the sound panel in the taskbar? At least to begin with.
And sound settings is easier to understand than "multimedia".
If you must use nVidia drivers there is a much easier way to do it than you write about in your blog. The fine folks over at RPMfusion have made it as simply enabling their repositories and typing "dnf install akmod-nvidia" for all the newer generation cards.
Are the RPMFusion drivers still way behind?
They are. That is why I would recommand, nowdays, to use the Negativo repositories. The commands to use are described here:
Well is this splintering of NVIDIA driver maintenance something that has some good reasons or is it simply something like technical purism?
I saw something about 96 DPI in the configuration section of negativo17.org but didn't quite get what that was about.
As Ed already said, maybe you should ask on the RPMfusion lists.
Yeah I'll probably do that if nobody here has some thoughts on it.
-Morten
On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 9:36 AM, Morten W. Petersen morphex@gmail.com wrote:
They are. That is why I would recommand, nowdays, to use the Negativo repositories. The commands to use are described here:
Well is this splintering of NVIDIA driver maintenance something that has some good reasons or is it simply something like technical purism?
As it says on the link, there are some differences between the way the two are packaged. However, one of the main reasons the negativo17 repository has been popularized as an alternative is because of the new "third party repository policy" for Fedora, which allows editions to ship disabled third-party repositories dedicated more or less to a single package for easier auditing. The Workstation WG wanted to enable installation of the nvidia driver from inside GNOME Software directly, but the policy effectively prevents RPM Fusion as currently constituted from being included: hence the use of the negativo17 repository as an alternative.
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation/Third_party_software_proposal https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Third_Party_Repository_Policy
There was some discussion about potentially splitting out RPM Fusion's nvidia driver into a separate repository as well that could be included under this policy, but it hasn't yet been done.
Ben Rosser
On Fri, 2017-09-29 at 11:54 -0400, Ben Rosser wrote:
On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 9:36 AM, Morten W. Petersen morphex@gmail.com wrote:
They are. That is why I would recommand, nowdays, to use the Negativo repositories. The commands to use are described here:
Well is this splintering of NVIDIA driver maintenance something that has some good reasons or is it simply something like technical purism?
As it says on the link, there are some differences between the way the two are packaged. However, one of the main reasons the negativo17 repository has been popularized as an alternative is because of the new "third party repository policy" for Fedora, which allows editions to ship disabled third-party repositories dedicated more or less to a single package for easier auditing. The Workstation WG wanted to enable installation of the nvidia driver from inside GNOME Software directly, but the policy effectively prevents RPM Fusion as currently constituted from being included: hence the use of the negativo17 repository as an alternative.
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation/Third_party_software_proposal https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Third_Party_Repository_Policy
Both those seem to say that licensing for third-party repos must still conform to Fedora standards, so I don't see how Negativo17 qualifies.
poc
On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 6:39 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallaghan@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 2017-09-29 at 11:54 -0400, Ben Rosser wrote:
On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 9:36 AM, Morten W. Petersen morphex@gmail.com wrote:
They are. That is why I would recommand, nowdays, to use the Negativo repositories. The commands to use are described here:
Well is this splintering of NVIDIA driver maintenance something that has some good reasons or is it simply something like technical purism?
As it says on the link, there are some differences between the way the two are packaged. However, one of the main reasons the negativo17 repository has been popularized as an alternative is because of the new "third party repository policy" for Fedora, which allows editions to ship disabled third-party repositories dedicated more or less to a single package for easier auditing. The Workstation WG wanted to enable installation of the nvidia driver from inside GNOME Software directly, but the policy effectively prevents RPM Fusion as currently constituted from being included: hence the use of the negativo17 repository as an alternative.
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation/Third_party_software_proposal https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Third_Party_Repository_Policy
Both those seem to say that licensing for third-party repos must still conform to Fedora standards, so I don't see how Negativo17 qualifies.
One of the requirements for non-free repositories is
"Users must be presented with clear information about Fedora provided/Libre software vs Non-free/3rd party software. "
I'm not sure how to interpret that, but maybe a simple description of what's going on and a license acceptance is enough?
Anyway I do feel a bit snubbed here, why do I have to jump through all of these hoops to use an operating system of my choice, when the card did cost ~140 EUR / ~160 USD 4 years ago, and is an investment.
Thanks to my experience with Linux I knew to try a different version branch of NVIDIA's driver when I got problems with Steam.
If I knew this back then, I could've bought a graphics card from a different vendor.
I've played the proprietary / lock-in game myself with web site development, but made damn sure the customers could make use of their investment for a long time.
-Morten
On 09/29/17 17:47, Laurent Rineau wrote:
They are. That is why I would recommand, nowdays, to use the Negativo repositories. The commands to use are described here:
FWIW, I am now on 384.90-1 from rpmfusion.
It is a personal preference for sure. I just have never had an issue with rpmfusion and the akmod process when a new kernel is introduced. So, frankly, I don't see any advantage to using a different repo. Besides, it is just a packaging issue and the driver is still the same driver from nVidia no matter what repo you pick. And the idea of must having the "latest" driver is often bogus anyway. Unless an update fixes a problem that you are having it is nothing more than "I got the latest shiny bits".
On 09/30/2017 11:41 AM, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 09/29/17 17:47, Laurent Rineau wrote:
They are. That is why I would recommand, nowdays, to use the Negativo repositories. The commands to use are described here:
FWIW, I am now on 384.90-1 from rpmfusion.
It is a personal preference for sure. I just have never had an issue with rpmfusion and the akmod process when a new kernel is introduced. So, frankly, I don't see any advantage to using a different repo. Besides, it is just a packaging issue and the driver is still the same driver from nVidia no matter what repo you pick. And the idea of must having the "latest" driver is often bogus anyway. Unless an update fixes a problem that you are having it is nothing more than "I got the latest shiny bits".
When using Konsole with the nvidia drivers from rpmfusion (or even direct from Nvidia) do underscores show up when you type them in Konsole? They don't for me.
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On 10/01/17 00:32, Patrick Boutilier wrote:
When using Konsole with the nvidia drivers from rpmfusion (or even direct from Nvidia) do underscores show up when you type them in Konsole? They don't for me.
Yes, they do.... GeForce GTX 660 being my hardware.
On 09/30/2017 05:04 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 10/01/17 00:32, Patrick Boutilier wrote:
When using Konsole with the nvidia drivers from rpmfusion (or even direct from Nvidia) do underscores show up when you type them in Konsole? They don't for me.
Yes, they do.... GeForce GTX 660 being my hardware.
Must be specific to my hardware then.
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Am 01.10.2017 um 14:07 schrieb Patrick Boutilier:
On 09/30/2017 05:04 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 10/01/17 00:32, Patrick Boutilier wrote:
When using Konsole with the nvidia drivers from rpmfusion (or even direct from Nvidia) do underscores show up when you type them in Konsole? They don't for me.
Yes, they do.... GeForce GTX 660 being my hardware.
Must be specific to my hardware then. NVIDIA Corporation GK107GL [Quadro K2000]
more likely fonts and so on
the stupid Kopete as exmaple at least with my perferences don't show underlines and also don#t keep formatting (whitespaces tabs) of own posts while the other side receives it readable
On 10/01/2017 12:23 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 01.10.2017 um 14:07 schrieb Patrick Boutilier:
On 09/30/2017 05:04 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 10/01/17 00:32, Patrick Boutilier wrote:
When using Konsole with the nvidia drivers from rpmfusion (or even direct from Nvidia) do underscores show up when you type them in Konsole? They don't for me.
Yes, they do.... GeForce GTX 660 being my hardware.
Must be specific to my hardware then. NVIDIA Corporation GK107GL [Quadro K2000]
more likely fonts and so on
the stupid Kopete as exmaple at least with my perferences don't show underlines and also don#t keep formatting (whitespaces tabs) of own posts while the other side receives it readable
Quite possible but I don't see the problem when using nouveau drivers. Moved away from nouveau because of CTXSW_TIMEOUT errors pretty much locking up the desktop and requiring a reboot.
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=100567
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Hi Ed.
On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 1:58 AM, Ed Greshko ed.greshko@greshko.com wrote:
On 09/29/17 03:18, Morten W. Petersen wrote:
Wouldn't it be a bit easier for a novice user to configure the preferred sound device from the sound panel in the taskbar? At least to begin with.
And sound settings is easier to understand than "multimedia".
[...]
The "preferred" sound card can easily be accessed in F26 from the taskbar. Clicking on the speaker icon will show "Playback Devices" and the "hamburger" icon brings up a menu to select the default device. This is the same in all distros since this all comes from kde.org.
I believe I did set it there the first time, and that it didn't work. When I later installed and enabled an equalizer the sound did work. :\
-Morten
Hi again, late follow up. But I thought I'd share when I found the reason for my troubles.
It seems the preferred sound card was the built-in or NVIDIA card, when I changed the preferred sound card to the Razor Megalodon, it did change the preferred sound card, but I could last week see that applications were still set to using the initial preferred sound card.
If the initial sound card gets selected by the distro or installer, I guess it is confusing for a user if they change the sound card and nothing happens, or sound is partially working in some apps.
Regards,
Morten
On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 1:58 AM, Ed Greshko ed.greshko@greshko.com wrote:
On 09/29/17 03:18, Morten W. Petersen wrote:
I recently decided to try out Fedora, and installed it on my desktop computer. It has multiple sound cards, and I blogged about the process here:
http://blogologue.com/frames?url=http://blogologue.com/blog_entry?id=1506168...
Today I looked around in the system settings menu, and found that I could set the preferred sound device there.
Wouldn't it be a bit easier for a novice user to configure the preferred sound device from the sound panel in the taskbar? At least to begin with.
And sound settings is easier to understand than "multimedia".
If you must use nVidia drivers there is a much easier way to do it than you write about in your blog. The fine folks over at RPMfusion have made it as simply enabling their repositories and typing "dnf install akmod-nvidia" for all the newer generation cards.
The "preferred" sound card can easily be accessed in F26 from the taskbar. Clicking on the speaker icon will show "Playback Devices" and the "hamburger" icon brings up a menu to select the default device. This is the same in all distros since this all comes from kde.org.
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