9:17 p.m.
On Wed, 2010-04-14 at 10:47 +0200, Christoph Wickert wrote:
Am Mittwoch, den 14.04.2010, 10:25 +0200 schrieb Jaroslav Reznik:
> Hi Matthias.
> We were discussing polkit agent reorganization @ our kde sig meeting -
> cwickert joined us too [1].
> Could you clarify autostart of the agent? I agree it should be task for
> desktop as it's now core component and I don't see need for users to change
> this configuration.
I do. Xfce for example has no agent ATM, so users should be free to
choose ether polkit-gnome or lxpolkit. This could be easily done it we
allowed installing them individually. The choice which one is started
could be easily done graphically in the session properties.
If I understood Matthias correctly he wants the desktop to autostart the
agent and have it hardcoded somewhere. IMHO this is a step in the wrong
direction as it takes the user the freedom to decide what he wants to
use.
Sorry for the late response, I was away from mail for a few days.
So, I don't think I said 'hardcoded'. I don't care how hard or soft you
code it. The point is that it should be the responsibility of the
desktop environment to ensure that a polkit agent is available, not the
responsibility of individual apps or of polkit itself.
For GNOME, I'll simply move the polkit-gnome-authentication-agent
autostart file from polkit-gnome to gnome-session. (gdm already ships
its own autostart file for the login session).
> But other question is - what about desktops without own
> polkit or even standalone wms? Another point is autostart desktop file - if the
> agent is going to be started by autostart desktop file, this autostart belongs
> to agent and should be distributed together in the agent package.
+1
No. Again, the responsibility for starting the agent lies with the
desktop, not with polkit. I frankly don't care if you 'build your own
desktop'. In that case, your favourite polkit agent is just one more
thing to throw in your .Xclients file.
3:08 a.m.
New subject: PolicyKit-authentication-agents in Fedora
Am Samstag, den 17.04.2010, 22:17 -0400 schrieb Matthias Clasen:
So, I don't think I said 'hardcoded'. I don't care
how hard or soft you
code it. The point is that it should be the responsibility of the
desktop environment to ensure that a polkit agent is available, not the
responsibility of individual apps or of polkit itself.
How do you want to cover the cases where users have no desktop
environment installed then?
For GNOME, I'll simply move the
polkit-gnome-authentication-agent
autostart file from polkit-gnome to gnome-session.
This means that other desktops can no longer make use of polkit-gnome
and user or have to provide their own desktop file. This means users can
no longer choose which agent to start. What's so bad about choice? Xfce
users might want to choose wheter to use lxpolkit or polkit-gnome.
I still don't understand what the benefit of moving the desktop file is.
90% of all users will have both packages installed, the one that
provides the agent and the one that provides the autostart file. This
means 90% will not notice a difference, but for the remaining 5%, things
will likely break.
From a packaging POV the autostart file clearly belongs to the
application it starts just as a normal desktop file belongs to a
package.
No. Again, the responsibility for starting the agent lies with the
desktop, not with polkit. I frankly don't care if you 'build your own
desktop'. In that case, your favourite polkit agent is just one more
thing to throw in your .Xclients file.
IMHO things like openbox, fluxbox or icewm should be supported without
having to configure anything in .Xclients. They all work nicely with
autostart, IMHO there is no reason to break this.
Regards,
Christoph
6:54 p.m.
New subject: PolicyKit-authentication-agents in Fedora
On Sun, 2010-04-18 at 10:08 +0200, Christoph Wickert wrote:
> For GNOME, I'll simply move the
polkit-gnome-authentication-agent
> autostart file from polkit-gnome to gnome-session.
This means that other desktops can no longer make use of polkit-gnome
and user or have to provide their own desktop file. This means users can
no longer choose which agent to start. What's so bad about choice? Xfce
users might want to choose wheter to use lxpolkit or polkit-gnome.
It doesn't mean any of that. If you want to use
polkit-gnome-authentication agent, simply start it in your session, by
whatever mechanism you prefer. The autostart file is just an
implementation detail. I might just as well make gnome-session just
launch it directly.
>From a packaging POV the autostart file clearly belongs to the
application it starts just as a normal desktop file belongs to a
package.
The authentication agent is not an application. It is part of the
desktop infrastructure.
3:04 a.m.
New subject: PolicyKit-authentication-agents in Fedora
On Monday 19 April 2010 01:54:09 Matthias Clasen wrote:
On Sun, 2010-04-18 at 10:08 +0200, Christoph Wickert wrote:
> > For GNOME, I'll simply move the polkit-gnome-authentication-agent
> > autostart file from polkit-gnome to gnome-session.
>
> This means that other desktops can no longer make use of polkit-gnome
> and user or have to provide their own desktop file. This means users can
> no longer choose which agent to start. What's so bad about choice? Xfce
> users might want to choose wheter to use lxpolkit or polkit-gnome.
It doesn't mean any of that. If you want to use
polkit-gnome-authentication agent, simply start it in your session, by
whatever mechanism you prefer. The autostart file is just an
implementation detail. I might just as well make gnome-session just
launch it directly.
> >From a packaging POV the autostart file clearly belongs to the
>
> application it starts just as a normal desktop file belongs to a
> package.
The authentication agent is not an application. It is part of the
desktop infrastructure.
I totally agree with you regarding desktop environments - for KDE/Gnome (even
LXDE, XFCE) I prefer "hardcoding" (gnome-session, autostart desktop file with
OnlyShowIn=KDE...) as it's integral core part of desktop. But we should also
take care about the corner cases - people who don't run any desktop env. - we
have to assure they have running and working polkit agent.
Jaroslav
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