fine, now it's "ported" to KDE5 * no bookmarks * no toolbar settings from the previous install * no support for sftp:// * no passwords for network-locations previously used WTF is wrong with the KDE developers attitude that the main question due every upgrde is "curious what they broke now from my workflow"

On Friday, 22 September 2017 16:42:14 CEST Reindl Harald wrote: > fine, now it's "ported" to KDE5 I will continue to repeat it, but it's due: there is *no* KDE5. It was ported to Qt5 and Frameworks 5.

> * no bookmarks Do you mean "no import of old bookmarks"? Because support for bookmark is available See below for the answer of "why the import was not added" (not an excuse, but you can copy manually the xbel file)

> * no toolbar settings from the previous install I don't think that any application kept this in the migration.

> * no support for sftp:// It's not provided by Konqueror; install kio-extras.

> * no passwords for network-locations previously used That's a KWallet migration issue, I guess.

> WTF is wrong with the KDE developers attitude that the main question due > every upgrde is "curious what they broke now from my workflow" Konqueror was not developed. The fact that it was ported was already a plus. And unless someone will step to maintain it, it's going to be replaced by Falkon.

On Friday, 22 September 2017 17:02:43 CEST Reindl Harald wrote: > Am 22.09.2017 um 16:52 schrieb Luigi Toscano: > >> On Friday, 22 September 2017 16:42:14 CEST Reindl Harald wrote: >> >>> fine, now it's "ported" to KDE5 >> >> >> I will continue to repeat it, but it's due: there is *no* KDE5. It was >> ported to Qt5 and Frameworks 5. > > > you sound like a upstream developer I am a primarly a member of the KDE community.

>>> * no bookmarks >> >> >> Do you mean "no import of old bookmarks"? Because support for bookmark is >> available >> See below for the answer of "why the import was not added" >> (not an excuse, but you can copy manually the xbel file) > > > which one? where is it located? ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/bookmarks.xml The new location is ~/.local/share/konqueror/bookmarks.xml

>>> * no toolbar settings from the previous install >> >> I don't think that any application kept this in the migration. > > > and then you guys wonder why Linux don't reach the desktop? > > i develop software for 15 years now and the codebase don't share a > single line *but* never a user lost any configuration because it's > really so easy take the code dealing with the old configuration, read it > and write it into a new format (if that's needed at all) Some changes are expected in a major version bump. Most applications migrated the content; the toolbar disposition is a different issue.

>>> * no support for sftp:// >> >> >> It's not provided by Konqueror; install kio-extras. > > > bla - obviously Konqueror does not have any KIO support at all > > [root@srv-rhsoft:~]$ rpm -qa | grep -i kio-extras > kio-extras-16.12.3-1.fc26.x86_64 What I said is true and correct; kio-sftp support is in kio-extras.

That said, I'm using kio-extras 17.04, but there are no relevant differences with 16.12 by looking at the code.

>>> * no passwords for network-locations previously used >> >> >> That's a KWallet migration issue, I guess. > > > no, that's because upstream decided with *KDE5 period* that there are > now *two* wallets for KF4/KF5 applications instead have one storage > broker and wrappers for both worlds so that things are interchangeable The then maintainer of KWallet had a problem with supporting the old format in a reliable way while migrating to Frameworks 5. This was solved with a really recent version of Frameworks, which can read the old wallet, thanks to the contribution of a Gentoo packager.

>>> WTF is wrong with the KDE developers attitude that the main question due >>> every upgrde is "curious what they broke now from my workflow" >> >> >> Konqueror was not developed. The fact that it was ported was already a >> plus. And unless someone will step to maintain it, it's going to be >> replaced by Falkon. > > > i miss to see the "plus" when 90% of my daily workflow is now broken > > the "plus" until today was that nobody touched Konqueror to "make it better" The plus was that something was done. If nothing would have been done, you would have still complained that it was abandoned

I mean, really, what is the solution? That the old maintainer (who is taking care of what most people can take humanly care already) should have been chained to a chair to work on Konqueror? No one stepped up, there was some work to finally at least port it. That's it

Am 22.09.2017 um 17:15 schrieb Luigi Toscano: > On Friday, 22 September 2017 17:02:43 CEST Reindl Harald wrote: > >> Am 22.09.2017 um 16:52 schrieb Luigi Toscano: >> >> >> >>> On Friday, 22 September 2017 16:42:14 CEST Reindl Harald wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> fine, now it's "ported" to KDE5 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I will continue to repeat it, but it's due: there is *no* KDE5. It was >>> ported to Qt5 and Frameworks 5. >> >> >> >> >> you sound like a upstream developer > > > I am a primarly a member of the KDE community. and i am a user which don't care how someone now calls the pieces - frankly i am a KDE user starting with version 1.0 and that is very long ago

>>>> * no bookmarks >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Do you mean "no import of old bookmarks"? Because support for bookmark >>> is >>> available >>> See below for the answer of "why the import was not added" >>> (not an excuse, but you can copy manually the xbel file) >> >> >> >> >> which one? where is it located? > > > ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/bookmarks.xml > The new location is ~/.local/share/konqueror/bookmarks.xml thanks, at least the main-bookmarks are back, no idea how to restore the sidebar which had the most important smb-servers and so on but since kio-slaves are completly broken it don't matter that much

>>>> * no toolbar settings from the previous install >>> >>> >>> >>> I don't think that any application kept this in the migration. >> >> >> >> >> and then you guys wonder why Linux don't reach the desktop? >> >> >> >> i develop software for 15 years now and the codebase don't share a >> single line *but* never a user lost any configuration because it's >> really so easy take the code dealing with the old configuration, read it >> and write it into a new format (if that's needed at all) > > > Some changes are expected in a major version bump. > Most applications migrated the content; the toolbar disposition is a > different issue. but i have simply enough from the fact that you need to fear that after every upgrade customizations you have done years ago and included blindly in your workflow diesappear

>>>> * no support for sftp:// >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> It's not provided by Konqueror; install kio-extras. >> >> >> >> >> bla - obviously Konqueror does not have any KIO support at all >> >> >> >> [root@srv-rhsoft:~]$ rpm -qa | grep -i kio-extras >> kio-extras-16.12.3-1.fc26.x86_64 > > > What I said is true and correct; kio-sftp support is in kio-extras. and what i said is true, it is installed and Konqueror says "ERR_UNKNOWN_URL_SCHEME" while dolphin is too dumb read the host/port settings from ssh-configs or the kio-slave in F26 is just buggy while it worked (at least at that point) better the last years for smb:// it yells in german about a internal error thank's for rewrite the sftp-kioslave years ago instead use the openssh tools, we suffer 7 years or so later over basic things not working (ciphers, cipher-preferences and when the first one is not known by libssh2 nothing orks instead like openssh just try the next one)

> That said, I'm using kio-extras 17.04, but there are no relevant > differences with 16.12 by looking at the code. F25 was fine

>>>> * no passwords for network-locations previously used >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> That's a KWallet migration issue, I guess. >> >> >> >> >> no, that's because upstream decided with *KDE5 period* that there are >> now *two* wallets for KF4/KF5 applications instead have one storage >> broker and wrappers for both worlds so that things are interchangeable > > > The then maintainer of KWallet had a problem with supporting the old > format in a reliable way while migrating to Frameworks 5. This was > solved with a really recent version of Frameworks, which can read the old > wallet, thanks to the contribution of a Gentoo packager. the don't release major updates - problem is that the KDE community has *nothing* learned from the KDE3->KDE4 disaster and i fear the same will happen when QT6 is out

>>>> WTF is wrong with the KDE developers attitude that the main question >>>> due >>>> every upgrde is "curious what they broke now from my workflow" >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Konqueror was not developed. The fact that it was ported was already a >>> plus. And unless someone will step to maintain it, it's going to be >>> replaced by Falkon. >> >> >> >> >> i miss to see the "plus" when 90% of my daily workflow is now broken >> >> >> >> the "plus" until today was that nobody touched Konqueror to "make it >> better" > > The plus was that something was done. If nothing would have been done, > you > would have still complained that it was abandoned after 10 years Linux only on my dekstop i start to prefer abanoned software which just works and is not "optimized to dead" every few weeks while the crazy guys forom the fedora workstation SIG would prefer to hide anything which don't get every 2 weeks a useless update and new shiny icons

> I mean, really, what is the solution? That the old maintainer (who is > taking care of what most people can take humanly care already) should > have been chained to a chair to work on Konqueror? No one stepped up, > there was some work to finally at least port it. That's it i have no perfect solution *but damned* replace the working KF4 version by a hlaf baken "port" is none

The sidebar is gone. The porting was not trivial (it needed a rewrite, still using the non-MVC architecture pre-Qt4) and it was probably "wait forever until it's ported, or release Konqueror without".

no, that's because upstream decided with *KDE5 period* that there are now *two* wallets for KF4/KF5 applications instead have one storage broker and wrappers for both worlds so that things are interchangeable

See my answer where I simply *explained* what happened (not an excuse, there was a technical issue and no one could fix it). I didn't like it either, but I could not contribute in fixing it.

The then maintainer of KWallet had a problem with supporting the old format in a reliable way while migrating to Frameworks 5. This was solved with a really recent version of Frameworks, which can read the old wallet, thanks to the contribution of a Gentoo packager.

https://commits.kde.org/kwallet/c2fe10e2e75304114de89aa83381cfa20e6e9734

I have bookmarks and sftp and I'm using F25 

On Fri, 2017-09-22 at 16:42 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: > fine, now it's "ported" to KDE5 > > * no bookmarks > * no toolbar settings from the previous install > * no support for sftp:// > * no passwords for network-locations previously used > > WTF is wrong with the KDE developers attitude that the main > question > due  > every upgrde is "curious what they broke now from my workflow" > _______________________________________________ > kde mailing list -- kde(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to kde-leave(a)lists.fedoraproject.org

Am 22.09.2017 um 17:59 schrieb Sérgio Basto: > On Fri, 2017-09-22 at 16:57 +0100, Sérgio Basto wrote: >> I have bookmarks and sftp and I'm using F25 > > but use konqueror 5.0.97 after switch from F25 to F26 you have bookmarks but empty, anyways, kio stuff seems to be terrible broken because smb:// don't work either in Konqeuror nor in Dolphin, sftp:// works in dolphin mounting network shares is a workaround but since the developers don't realize that they have to handle network mountpoints like kio-networkpaths and *not* count recursively files over a VPN tunnel not as nice as it could be (and that with a 200 Mbit line, no idea how that feels on slow connections, especially smb with it's terrible roundtrips) [harry@srv-rhsoft:~]$ rpm -qa | grep -i konqueror konqueror-libs-17.04.1-1.fc26.x86_64 konqueror-17.04.1-1.fc26.x86_64 [harry@srv-rhsoft:~]$ rpm -qa | grep -i kio | sort audiocd-kio-16.08.3-3.fc26.x86_64 audiocd-kio-doc-16.08.3-3.fc26.noarch audiocd-kio-libs-16.08.3-3.fc26.x86_64 kdesdk-kioslaves-16.12.3-1.fc26.x86_64 kf5-kio-core-5.36.0-1.fc26.x86_64 kf5-kio-core-libs-5.36.0-1.fc26.x86_64 kf5-kio-doc-5.36.0-1.fc26.noarch kf5-kio-file-widgets-5.36.0-1.fc26.x86_64 kf5-kio-gui-5.36.0-1.fc26.x86_64 kf5-kio-ntlm-5.36.0-1.fc26.x86_64 kf5-kio-widgets-5.36.0-1.fc26.x86_64 kf5-kio-widgets-libs-5.36.0-1.fc26.x86_64 kio-extras-16.12.3-1.fc26.x86_64 >> On Fri, 2017-09-22 at 16:42 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: >>> fine, now it's "ported" to KDE5 >>> >>> * no bookmarks >>> * no toolbar settings from the previous install >>> * no support for sftp:// >>> * no passwords for network-locations previously used >>> >>> WTF is wrong with the KDE developers attitude that the main >>> question >>> due >>> every upgrde is "curious what they broke now from my workflow" _______________________________________________ kde mailing list -- kde(a)lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to kde-leave(a)lists.fedoraproject.org

Il 22/09/2017 19:14, Patrick Boutilier ha scritto: > smb:// works fine on F26 here in both Dolphin and Konqueror. > Maybe he hit this: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=369850

Am 23.09.2017 um 02:21 schrieb Reindl Harald: > Am 22.09.2017 um 20:11 schrieb Mattia Verga: > > Il 22/09/2017 19:14, Patrick Boutilier ha scritto: > > > smb:// works fine on F26 here in both Dolphin and Konqueror. > > > > > > > Maybe he hit this: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=369850 > > hardly since i *always* use smb://user@ip/share SMB is definitly broken, but who knows, maybe the F26 version of the  stuff don't read smb.conf anymore (trying outdated setting, trying port  139 or whatelse while *nothing* but 445 should be needed these days) as it don't understand openssh client configs which was the reaosn  nothing worked - port 22 is a honeypot port on most machines here and  after all the mess years ago i frankly did not expect that we start from  zero again here....

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