Hi,
I've used KDE for years and never had a serious issue. Yesterday (11/19) morning I did a "dnf update" and updated to the latest available patches (I do this every 2-3 weeks or so). Nothing relayed to KDE was updated as far as I could tell, but the kernel was updated from 4.8.4 to 4.8.7. Upon rebooting after the update, I got the sddm login screen as usual. I entered my name and password as usual. The KDE starting splash screen appeared as usual.
After that is when the unusual happened. I got a blank screen. No panels (I have one along the bottom), no icons, no initial konsole window. Using Alt-Tab showed the konsole window but I could not bring it to the current screen. The mouse was active. I noticed a faint white line at the left edge. Clicking on it with my mouse and dragging it to the right expanded what was my konsole window. Apparently it was off screen to the left.
I rebooted on the older 4.8.4 kernel and all was fine. I removed and reinstalled the 4.8.7 kernel. That did not help. (This morning a newer 4.8.8 kernel and I tried that but it behaved the same as with the 4.8.7 kernel.)
Thinking that perhaps something buried in my home directory might be causing this, I created a new user. That new user had the exact same issues. I also looked in ~.xsession-errors. Nothing there that indicated any problem. Nothing in /var/log/Xorg.0.log, either. I didn't see anything in the recent archives of this list.
Anyone else seen this issue? I'm out of ideas at this time. I'll keep running the older 4.8.4 kernel since that works.
I'll be glad to supply any additional information anyone thinks might help.
Thanks for any help or suggestions
Charles Dennett
I would guess it's something in your home dir / config. I am also running Fedora 24 and KDE, I updated to 4.8.7 a few days ago and haven't had any issues.
have you tried moving your .config and .kde directories to other names (i.e. mv .config .config_old and mv .kde .kde_old)?
On 11/20/2016 06:46 AM, Charles R. Dennett wrote:
Hi,
I've used KDE for years and never had a serious issue. Yesterday (11/19) morning I did a "dnf update" and updated to the latest available patches (I do this every 2-3 weeks or so). Nothing relayed to KDE was updated as far as I could tell, but the kernel was updated from 4.8.4 to 4.8.7. Upon rebooting after the update, I got the sddm login screen as usual. I entered my name and password as usual. The KDE starting splash screen appeared as usual.
After that is when the unusual happened. I got a blank screen. No panels (I have one along the bottom), no icons, no initial konsole window. Using Alt-Tab showed the konsole window but I could not bring it to the current screen. The mouse was active. I noticed a faint white line at the left edge. Clicking on it with my mouse and dragging it to the right expanded what was my konsole window. Apparently it was off screen to the left.
I rebooted on the older 4.8.4 kernel and all was fine. I removed and reinstalled the 4.8.7 kernel. That did not help. (This morning a newer 4.8.8 kernel and I tried that but it behaved the same as with the 4.8.7 kernel.)
Thinking that perhaps something buried in my home directory might be causing this, I created a new user. That new user had the exact same issues. I also looked in ~.xsession-errors. Nothing there that indicated any problem. Nothing in /var/log/Xorg.0.log, either. I didn't see anything in the recent archives of this list.
Anyone else seen this issue? I'm out of ideas at this time. I'll keep running the older 4.8.4 kernel since that works.
I'll be glad to supply any additional information anyone thinks might help.
Thanks for any help or suggestions
Charles Dennett
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Thanks for the suggestion. I had tried that. I also went so far as to create a new user with an new home and empty home directory as I noted below. That new user had the same issue so that eliminated anything in my home directory.
Charlie
On 11/20/2016 09:34 AM, CS DBA wrote:
I would guess it's something in your home dir / config. I am also running Fedora 24 and KDE, I updated to 4.8.7 a few days ago and haven't had any issues.
have you tried moving your .config and .kde directories to other names (i.e. mv .config .config_old and mv .kde .kde_old)?
On 11/20/2016 06:46 AM, Charles R. Dennett wrote:
Hi,
I've used KDE for years and never had a serious issue. Yesterday (11/19) morning I did a "dnf update" and updated to the latest available patches (I do this every 2-3 weeks or so). Nothing relayed to KDE was updated as far as I could tell, but the kernel was updated from 4.8.4 to 4.8.7. Upon rebooting after the update, I got the sddm login screen as usual. I entered my name and password as usual. The KDE starting splash screen appeared as usual.
After that is when the unusual happened. I got a blank screen. No panels (I have one along the bottom), no icons, no initial konsole window. Using Alt-Tab showed the konsole window but I could not bring it to the current screen. The mouse was active. I noticed a faint white line at the left edge. Clicking on it with my mouse and dragging it to the right expanded what was my konsole window. Apparently it was off screen to the left.
I rebooted on the older 4.8.4 kernel and all was fine. I removed and reinstalled the 4.8.7 kernel. That did not help. (This morning a newer 4.8.8 kernel and I tried that but it behaved the same as with the 4.8.7 kernel.)
Thinking that perhaps something buried in my home directory might be causing this, I created a new user. That new user had the exact same issues. I also looked in ~.xsession-errors. Nothing there that indicated any problem. Nothing in /var/log/Xorg.0.log, either. I didn't see anything in the recent archives of this list.
Anyone else seen this issue? I'm out of ideas at this time. I'll keep running the older 4.8.4 kernel since that works.
I'll be glad to supply any additional information anyone thinks might help.
Thanks for any help or suggestions
Charles Dennett
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There is no separate video card. The motherboard has embedded graphics. The processor is a Intel i5-6400 quad core skylake chip and it uses the Intel drivers that come with Fedora. The system is a relatively new ASUS M32CD. Bought it a few months ago to replace my old ageing server and has been running fine until now.
Here's what's shown in my .xsessions-errors file:
Service started, version: 7.0.0 OpenGL vendor string: Intel Open Source Technology Center OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) HD Graphics 530 (Skylake GT2) OpenGL version string: 3.0 Mesa 12.0.3 OpenGL shading language version string: 1.30 Driver: Intel GPU class: Unknown OpenGL version: 3.0 GLSL version: 1.30 Mesa version: 12.0.3 Linux kernel version: 4.8.4 Requires strict binding: yes GLSL shaders: yes Texture NPOT support: yes Virtual Machine: no
I also found these lines related to Intel in /var/log/Xorg.0.log:
[ 18.898] (II) intel: Driver for Intel(R) Integrated Graphics Chipsets: i810, i810-dc100, i810e, i815, i830M, 845G, 854, 852GM/855GM, 865G, 915G, E7221 (i915), 915GM, 945G, 945GM, 945GME, Pineview GM, Pineview G, 965G, G35, 965Q, 946GZ, 965GM, 965GME/GLE, G33, Q35, Q33, GM45, 4 Series, G45/G43, Q45/Q43, G41, B43 [ 18.898] (II) intel: Driver for Intel(R) HD Graphics: 2000-6000 [ 18.898] (II) intel: Driver for Intel(R) Iris(TM) Graphics: 5100, 6100 [ 18.898] (II) intel: Driver for Intel(R) Iris(TM) Pro Graphics: 5200, 6200, P6300
If there is a different command I can run to obtain information like this, just let me know what it is.
Charlie
On 11/20/2016 09:39 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Sun, 2016-11-20 at 08:46 -0500, Charles R. Dennett wrote:
I'll be glad to supply any additional information anyone thinks might help.
You might start by giving your video card, and whether it's using proprietary or free drivers.
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Been exercising my google skills and have several things to try including seeing if I can find a video card to try to get off the embedded Intel graphics. As I noted, the embedded Intel graphics go along with the skylake processor. Just looked at the changelog for the latest (4.8..8) kernel. Recall this problem did not occur until after 4.8.4, Found this in the changelog:
* Thu Oct 27 2016 Justin M. Forbes jforbes@fedoraproject.org - CVE-2016-9083 CVE-2016-9084 vfio multiple flaws (rhbz 1389258 1389259 1389285) - Skylake i915 fixes from 4.9 - Fix MS input devices identified as joysticks (rhbz 1325354)
* Mon Oct 24 2016 Justin M. Forbes jforbes@fedoraproject.org - 4.8.4-200 - Linux v4.8.4 rebase
My system uses the i915 drivers. Looks like kernel change were made after 4.8.4, That could be it. I'll try a few things and will file a bugzilla report. Still need to search bugzilla to see if something like this has been reported.
Charlie
On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 12:06 PM, Charles R. Dennett cdennett@gmail.com wrote:
There is no separate video card. The motherboard has embedded graphics. The processor is a Intel i5-6400 quad core skylake chip and it uses the Intel drivers that come with Fedora. The system is a relatively new ASUS M32CD. Bought it a few months ago to replace my old ageing server and has been running fine until now.
Here's what's shown in my .xsessions-errors file:
Service started, version: 7.0.0 OpenGL vendor string: Intel Open Source Technology Center OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) HD Graphics 530 (Skylake GT2) OpenGL version string: 3.0 Mesa 12.0.3 OpenGL shading language version string: 1.30 Driver: Intel GPU class: Unknown OpenGL version: 3.0 GLSL version: 1.30 Mesa version: 12.0.3 Linux kernel version: 4.8.4 Requires strict binding: yes GLSL shaders: yes Texture NPOT support: yes Virtual Machine: no
I also found these lines related to Intel in /var/log/Xorg.0.log:
[ 18.898] (II) intel: Driver for Intel(R) Integrated Graphics Chipsets: i810, i810-dc100, i810e, i815, i830M, 845G, 854, 852GM/855GM, 865G, 915G, E7221 (i915), 915GM, 945G, 945GM, 945GME, Pineview GM, Pineview G, 965G, G35, 965Q, 946GZ, 965GM, 965GME/GLE, G33, Q35, Q33, GM45, 4 Series, G45/G43, Q45/Q43, G41, B43 [ 18.898] (II) intel: Driver for Intel(R) HD Graphics: 2000-6000 [ 18.898] (II) intel: Driver for Intel(R) Iris(TM) Graphics: 5100, 6100 [ 18.898] (II) intel: Driver for Intel(R) Iris(TM) Pro Graphics: 5200, 6200, P6300
If there is a different command I can run to obtain information like this, just let me know what it is.
Charlie
On 11/20/2016 09:39 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Sun, 2016-11-20 at 08:46 -0500, Charles R. Dennett wrote:
I'll be glad to supply any additional information anyone thinks might
help.
You might start by giving your video card, and whether it's using proprietary or free drivers.
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Been exercising my google skills and have several things to try including seeing if I can find a video card to try to get off the embedded Intel graphics. As I noted, the embedded Intel graphics go along with the skylake processor. Just looked at the changelog for the latest (4.8..8) kernel. Recall this problem did not occur until after 4.8.4, Found this in the changelog:
* Thu Oct 27 2016 Justin M. Forbes jforbes@fedoraproject.org - CVE-2016-9083 CVE-2016-9084 vfio multiple flaws (rhbz 1389258 1389259 1389285) - Skylake i915 fixes from 4.9 - Fix MS input devices identified as joysticks (rhbz 1325354)
* Mon Oct 24 2016 Justin M. Forbes jforbes@fedoraproject.org - 4.8.4-200 - Linux v4.8.4 rebase
My system uses the i915 drivers. Looks like kernel change were made after 4.8.4, That could be it. I'll try a few things and will file a bugzilla report. Still need to search bugzilla to see if something like this has been reported.
Charlie
On 11/20/2016 12:06 PM, Charles R. Dennett wrote:
There is no separate video card. The motherboard has embedded graphics. The processor is a Intel i5-6400 quad core skylake chip and it uses the Intel drivers that come with Fedora. The system is a relatively new ASUS M32CD. Bought it a few months ago to replace my old ageing server and has been running fine until now.
Here's what's shown in my .xsessions-errors file:
Service started, version: 7.0.0 OpenGL vendor string: Intel Open Source Technology Center OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) HD Graphics 530 (Skylake GT2) OpenGL version string: 3.0 Mesa 12.0.3 OpenGL shading language version string: 1.30 Driver: Intel GPU class: Unknown OpenGL version: 3.0 GLSL version: 1.30 Mesa version: 12.0.3 Linux kernel version: 4.8.4 Requires strict binding: yes GLSL shaders: yes Texture NPOT support: yes Virtual Machine: no
I also found these lines related to Intel in /var/log/Xorg.0.log:
[ 18.898] (II) intel: Driver for Intel(R) Integrated Graphics Chipsets: i810, i810-dc100, i810e, i815, i830M, 845G, 854, 852GM/855GM, 865G, 915G, E7221 (i915), 915GM, 945G, 945GM, 945GME, Pineview GM, Pineview G, 965G, G35, 965Q, 946GZ, 965GM, 965GME/GLE, G33, Q35, Q33, GM45, 4 Series, G45/G43, Q45/Q43, G41, B43 [ 18.898] (II) intel: Driver for Intel(R) HD Graphics: 2000-6000 [ 18.898] (II) intel: Driver for Intel(R) Iris(TM) Graphics: 5100, 6100 [ 18.898] (II) intel: Driver for Intel(R) Iris(TM) Pro Graphics: 5200, 6200, P6300
If there is a different command I can run to obtain information like this, just let me know what it is.
Charlie
On 11/20/2016 09:39 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Sun, 2016-11-20 at 08:46 -0500, Charles R. Dennett wrote:
I'll be glad to supply any additional information anyone thinks might help.
You might start by giving your video card, and whether it's using proprietary or free drivers.
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Charles R. Dennett composed on 2016-11-20 12:06 (UTC-0500):
I also found these lines related to Intel in /var/log/Xorg.0.log:
[ 18.898] (II) intel: Driver for Intel(R) Integrated Graphics Chipsets: i810, i810-dc100, i810e, i815, i830M, 845G, 854, 852GM/855GM, 865G, 915G, E7221 (i915), 915GM, 945G, 945GM, 945GME, Pineview GM, Pineview G, 965G, G35, 965Q, 946GZ, 965GM, 965GME/GLE, G33, Q35, Q33, GM45, 4 Series, G45/G43, Q45/Q43, G41, B43 [ 18.898] (II) intel: Driver for Intel(R) HD Graphics: 2000-6000 [ 18.898] (II) intel: Driver for Intel(R) Iris(TM) Graphics: 5100, 6100 [ 18.898] (II) intel: Driver for Intel(R) Iris(TM) Pro Graphics: 5200, 6200, P6300
If there is a different command I can run to obtain information like this, just let me know what it is.
You omitted likely important information that log included. Those above show what chipsets the Intel driver supports (notice that "HD Graphics 530" or anything looking much like it is not among those strings), but if the Intel driver is actually employed you would see many lines that begin:
[ ###.###] (II) intel(0):...
as opposed to
[ ###.###] (II) modeset(0):...
or
[ ###.###] (II) fbdev(0):...
or ....
Charles R. Dennett composed on 2016-11-20 08:46 (UTC-0500): ...
Do you have any optional repos installed?
I have no Skylake systems, but I do have multiple versions of Fedora on multiple multiboot systems with Intel video. KDE in F24 is fine on all that I can recall, but not so with F25 and Rawhide, which on at least one (older than yours, Eaglelake) machine exhibits symptoms similar to what you report. The difference I see is that F25 and Rawhide are now using server 1.19rc1, while F24 (running 4.8.7 currently booted on host big41) remains on 1.18.4.
Regardless whether a 1.19 server is present, you could try the driver integrated into the server, "modesetting", (most easily) by uninstalling xorg-x11-drv-intel.
The modesetting driver seems to be the future of X regardless of gfxchip: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-Debian-Abandon...
Thanks for the suggestion. I removed the xorg-x11-dev-intel package and rebooted on the 4.8.8 kernel. It did not help. Same situation. Looks like it's using the modesetting driver from what I see in Xorg.0.log. I'll keep looging.
Charlie
On 11/21/2016 10:49 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
Charles R. Dennett composed on 2016-11-20 08:46 (UTC-0500): ...
Do you have any optional repos installed?
I have no Skylake systems, but I do have multiple versions of Fedora on multiple multiboot systems with Intel video. KDE in F24 is fine on all that I can recall, but not so with F25 and Rawhide, which on at least one (older than yours, Eaglelake) machine exhibits symptoms similar to what you report. The difference I see is that F25 and Rawhide are now using server 1.19rc1, while F24 (running 4.8.7 currently booted on host big41) remains on 1.18.4.
Regardless whether a 1.19 server is present, you could try the driver integrated into the server, "modesetting", (most easily) by uninstalling xorg-x11-drv-intel.
The modesetting driver seems to be the future of X regardless of gfxchip: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-Debian-Abandon...
I filed a bugzilla report. It's https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1397864
Meanwhile I did some more poking around and found something that appears very interesting. To quote a comment I added to the above bugzilla report:
================================================== Apparently, kernels newer than 4.8.4 think my system has 2 monitors attached to it. It only has one. It has never had two. I'm using the embedded graphics for my one and only monitor. I have never added a second video card. When I run the KDE system settings app and use the display applet, it sees my main monitor and second monitor it describes as a laptop monitor. This system is not a laptop. It is a desk-side system. Only kernels newer than 4.8.4 (ie, 4.8.8.and 4.8.10) show this. The 4.8.4 kernel correctly determines I only have one monitor. ==================================================
I've got a workaround for now. I can run system setting and choose the display and monitor applet. That's where I see two displays. After some back and forth I've found that clicking "Unify Outputs" gives me one display. Icons are all messed up but I can live with that for now.
Charlie
On 11/22/2016 05:27 PM, Charles R. Dennett wrote:
Thanks for the suggestion. I removed the xorg-x11-dev-intel package and rebooted on the 4.8.8 kernel. It did not help. Same situation. Looks like it's using the modesetting driver from what I see in Xorg.0.log. I'll keep looging.
Charlie
On 11/21/2016 10:49 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
Charles R. Dennett composed on 2016-11-20 08:46 (UTC-0500): ...
Do you have any optional repos installed?
I have no Skylake systems, but I do have multiple versions of Fedora on multiple multiboot systems with Intel video. KDE in F24 is fine on all that I can recall, but not so with F25 and Rawhide, which on at least one (older than yours, Eaglelake) machine exhibits symptoms similar to what you report. The difference I see is that F25 and Rawhide are now using server 1.19rc1, while F24 (running 4.8.7 currently booted on host big41) remains on 1.18.4.
Regardless whether a 1.19 server is present, you could try the driver integrated into the server, "modesetting", (most easily) by uninstalling xorg-x11-drv-intel.
The modesetting driver seems to be the future of X regardless of gfxchip: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-Debian-Abandon...
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Found a workaround that works much better. I've updated my bugzilla report with this:
Found a workaround. When up brought up system settings (/usr/bin/systemsettings5) and went to the display applet, it showed the 2 monitors. I noticed the real monitor was labeled DP-1. The fake laptop screen was labeled eDP-1. I had been googling around for how to disable monitors at boot time and had come across the kernel parameter "video=DISPLAYNAME:d. I had been trying video=LVDS-1:d since everything I had found mentioned that as the laptop display. This time I tried adding "video=eDP-1:d" to the line for the kernel and it worked. I have since added it to the line in /boot/grub/grub.cfg.
On 12/02/2016 02:12 PM, Charles R. Dennett wrote:
I filed a bugzilla report. It's https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1397864
Meanwhile I did some more poking around and found something that appears very interesting. To quote a comment I added to the above bugzilla report:
================================================== Apparently, kernels newer than 4.8.4 think my system has 2 monitors attached to it. It only has one. It has never had two. I'm using the embedded graphics for my one and only monitor. I have never added a second video card. When I run the KDE system settings app and use the display applet, it sees my main monitor and second monitor it describes as a laptop monitor. This system is not a laptop. It is a desk-side system. Only kernels newer than 4.8.4 (ie, 4.8.8.and 4.8.10) show this. The 4.8.4 kernel correctly determines I only have one monitor. ==================================================
I've got a workaround for now. I can run system setting and choose the display and monitor applet. That's where I see two displays. After some back and forth I've found that clicking "Unify Outputs" gives me one display. Icons are all messed up but I can live with that for now.
Charlie
On 11/22/2016 05:27 PM, Charles R. Dennett wrote:
Thanks for the suggestion. I removed the xorg-x11-dev-intel package and rebooted on the 4.8.8 kernel. It did not help. Same situation. Looks like it's using the modesetting driver from what I see in Xorg.0.log. I'll keep looging.
Charlie
On 11/21/2016 10:49 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
Charles R. Dennett composed on 2016-11-20 08:46 (UTC-0500): ...
Do you have any optional repos installed?
I have no Skylake systems, but I do have multiple versions of Fedora on multiple multiboot systems with Intel video. KDE in F24 is fine on all that I can recall, but not so with F25 and Rawhide, which on at least one (older than yours, Eaglelake) machine exhibits symptoms similar to what you report. The difference I see is that F25 and Rawhide are now using server 1.19rc1, while F24 (running 4.8.7 currently booted on host big41) remains on 1.18.4.
Regardless whether a 1.19 server is present, you could try the driver integrated into the server, "modesetting", (most easily) by uninstalling xorg-x11-drv-intel.
The modesetting driver seems to be the future of X regardless of gfxchip: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-Debian-Abandon...