Is there anyway to control the font size of GTK+ applications in the new plasma5 environment?
Use to be in system-settings within fonts you checked that GTK+ applications should use the KDE settings but that no longer exists. Also, if you go into GNOME and use gnome-tweak-tool you can change the settings but they are not picked up going back to KDE.
Would like to make my fonts in T-bird just a little be larger.
On 17 June 2015 at 10:02, Ed Greshko ed.greshko@greshko.com wrote:
Is there anyway to control the font size of GTK+ applications in the new plasma5 environment?
Use to be in system-settings within fonts you checked that GTK+ applications should use the KDE settings but that no longer exists. Also, if you go into GNOME and use gnome-tweak-tool you can change the settings but they are not picked up going back to KDE.
Would like to make my fonts in T-bird just a little be larger.
Edit ~/.gtkrc-2.0-kde4 and add this line: gtk-font-name="dejavu sans 13"
to change the font to e.g. DejaVu Sans size 13pt; then restart Thunderbird for the changes to take effect. Note that this only affects the font size in the UI but not the messages content.
-- Ahmad Samir
On 06/17/15 16:47, Ahmad Samir wrote:
On 17 June 2015 at 10:02, Ed Greshko ed.greshko@greshko.com wrote:
Is there anyway to control the font size of GTK+ applications in the new plasma5 environment?
Use to be in system-settings within fonts you checked that GTK+ applications should use the KDE settings but that no longer exists. Also, if you go into GNOME and use gnome-tweak-tool you can change the settings but they are not picked up going back to KDE.
Would like to make my fonts in T-bird just a little be larger.
Edit ~/.gtkrc-2.0-kde4 and add this line: gtk-font-name="dejavu sans 13"
to change the font to e.g. DejaVu Sans size 13pt; then restart Thunderbird for the changes to take effect. Note that this only affects the font size in the UI but not the messages content.
The line
gtk-font-name="Sans Serif 12" existed. I changed it to Konsole output<br> <br> gtk-font-name="Sans Serif 12 gtk-font-name="Sans Serif 14" as well as your suggestion and it had no apparent effect even after restarting. The size of the fonts in the UI did not change.
On 17 June 2015 at 10:57, Ed Greshko ed.greshko@greshko.com wrote:
On 06/17/15 16:47, Ahmad Samir wrote:
On 17 June 2015 at 10:02, Ed Greshko ed.greshko@greshko.com wrote:
Is there anyway to control the font size of GTK+ applications in the new plasma5 environment?
Use to be in system-settings within fonts you checked that GTK+ applications should use the KDE settings but that no longer exists. Also, if you go into GNOME and use gnome-tweak-tool you can change the settings but they are not picked up going back to KDE.
Would like to make my fonts in T-bird just a little be larger.
Edit ~/.gtkrc-2.0-kde4 and add this line: gtk-font-name="dejavu sans 13"
to change the font to e.g. DejaVu Sans size 13pt; then restart Thunderbird for the changes to take effect. Note that this only affects the font size in the UI but not the messages content.
The line
gtk-font-name="Sans Serif 12" existed. I changed it to Konsole output<br> <br> gtk-font-name="Sans Serif 12 gtk-font-name="Sans Serif 14" as well as your suggestion and it had no apparent effect even after restarting. The size of the fonts in the UI did not change.
Is xsettings-kde installed? if it is, then it could be affecting some of the settings from .gtkrc-2.0-kde4... I am not sure though.
-- Ahmad Samir
On 06/17/15 17:22, Ahmad Samir wrote:
Is xsettings-kde installed? if it is, then it could be affecting some of the settings from .gtkrc-2.0-kde4... I am not sure though.
Yes. And it is installed/running both on this upgraded system as well as 2 fresh installs. So, I'm loath to uninstall.
Also, the file name you mention has as part of its name "kde4" so I wonder if that may only be applicable to KDE4.
On 17 June 2015 at 11:56, Ed Greshko ed.greshko@greshko.com wrote:
On 06/17/15 17:22, Ahmad Samir wrote:
Is xsettings-kde installed? if it is, then it could be affecting some of the settings from .gtkrc-2.0-kde4... I am not sure though.
Yes. And it is installed/running both on this upgraded system as well as 2 fresh installs. So, I'm loath to uninstall.
[...]
Also, the file name you mention has as part of its name "kde4" so I wonder if that may only be applicable to KDE4.
Yes, only applicable to GTK+2 apps running under KDE4.
On 06/17/15 20:54, Ahmad Samir wrote:
On 17 June 2015 at 11:56, Ed Greshko ed.greshko@greshko.com wrote:
On 06/17/15 17:22, Ahmad Samir wrote:
Is xsettings-kde installed? if it is, then it could be affecting some of the settings from .gtkrc-2.0-kde4... I am not sure though.
Yes. And it is installed/running both on this upgraded system as well as 2 fresh installs. So, I'm loath to uninstall.
[...]
Also, the file name you mention has as part of its name "kde4" so I wonder if that may only be applicable to KDE4.
Yes, only applicable to GTK+2 apps running under KDE4.
After spending a fair amount of time searching I stumbled upon what I thought would solve the problem for me. There is a package called kde-gtk-config.
Name : kde-gtk-config Arch : x86_64 Epoch : 0 Version : 5.3.1 Release : 1.fc22 Size : 643 k Repo : @System
From repo : updates
Summary : Configure the appearance of GTK apps in KDE URL : https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/workspace/kde-gtk-config License : (GPLv2 or GPLv3) and (LGPLv2 or LGPLv3) Description : This is a System Settings configuration module for configuring the : appearance of GTK apps in KDE.
And, indeed, you do get a new menu item within "system settings". However, everything I tried to adjust the font size in T-Bird was ineffective.
I will research to see if a bugzilla exists and/or write one to see if I'm using this correctly.
On 17 June 2015 at 11:56, Ed Greshko ed.greshko@greshko.com wrote:
On 06/17/15 17:22, Ahmad Samir wrote:
Is xsettings-kde installed? if it is, then it could be affecting some of the settings from .gtkrc-2.0-kde4... I am not sure though.
Yes. And it is installed/running both on this upgraded system as well as 2 fresh installs. So, I'm loath to uninstall.
About xsettings-kde, have a look at https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/kde/2015-June/015087.html
[...]
Oh, BTW....
Konsole output Description : This package provides a XSettings daemon for KDE Desktop : Environment. It allows XSettings aware applications (all GTK+ 2 and : GNOME 2 applications) to be informed instantly of changes in KDE : configuration, such as theme name, default font and so on.
So, it seems the "direction" of the font adjustment is opposite of what I need.
Ed Greshko composed on 2015-06-17 :02 (UTC+0800):
Is there anyway to control the font size of GTK+ applications in the new plasma5 environment?
Use to be in system-settings within fonts you checked that GTK+ applications should use the KDE settings but that no longer exists. Also, if you go into GNOME and use gnome-tweak-tool you can change the settings but they are not picked up going back to KDE.
Would like to make my fonts in T-bird just a little be larger.
Exactly which TB fonts do you want to change?
Are you using a non-96 DPI environment?
I don't think the fundaments on http://kb.mozillazine.org/Font_settings_in_Thunderbird have changed with version increases.
cf. http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Font/fonts-face-systypes.html http://www.sitepoint.com/css-system-styles/
Felix Miata composed on 2015-06-17 21:49 (UTC-0400):
Ed Greshko composed on 2015-06-17 :02 (UTC+0800):
Is there anyway to control the font size of GTK+ applications in the new plasma5 environment?
Use to be in system-settings within fonts you checked that GTK+ applications should use the KDE settings but that no longer exists. Also, if you go into GNOME and use gnome-tweak-tool you can change the settings but they are not picked up going back to KDE.
Would like to make my fonts in T-bird just a little be larger.
Exactly which TB fonts do you want to change?
Are you using a non-96 DPI environment?
Forgot to mention, if you are not, and maybe even if you are, start by commenting the line containing Xft.dpi: 96 in /etc/X11/Xresources and restarting the server.
I don't think the fundaments on http://kb.mozillazine.org/Font_settings_in_Thunderbird have changed with version increases.
cf. http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Font/fonts-face-systypes.html http://www.sitepoint.com/css-system-styles
On 06/18/15 09:49, Felix Miata wrote:
Exactly which TB fonts do you want to change?
The UI fonts.
Ed Greshko composed on 2015-06-18 10:49 (UTC+0800):
On 06/18/15 09:49, Felix Miata wrote:
Exactly which TB fonts do you want to change?
The UI fonts.
That's not exact. Which UI fonts, all? Some? If some, which? Are the UI fonts used by TB not now the same size and style as the UI fonts in KDE apps?
UI fonts that you want to be different from system fonts need to be changed according to http://kb.mozillazine.org/Pane_and_menu_fonts or by using a Mozilla/TB theme.
On 06/18/15 11:02, Felix Miata wrote:
Ed Greshko composed on 2015-06-18 10:49 (UTC+0800):
On 06/18/15 09:49, Felix Miata wrote:
Exactly which TB fonts do you want to change?
The UI fonts.
That's not exact. Which UI fonts, all? Some? If some, which? Are the UI fonts used by TB not now the same size and style as the UI fonts in KDE apps?
UI fonts that you want to be different from system fonts need to be changed according to http://kb.mozillazine.org/Pane_and_menu_fonts or by using a Mozilla/TB theme.
Sorry for the terse reply. Was in a bit of a rush at that moment.
I'm talking about the folders area as well as the message list are. Previously, in KDE 4, you'd go to "System Settings -> Common Appearance -> Application Appearance > GTK+ Appearance" and check the box for "Use my KDE fonts in GTK+ applications" and then the fonts of T-Bird would follow the font settings under "Fonts".
Those options no longer exist.
I suppose, for now, I'll have to explore the possibilities in the link you've provided. In KDE 4 it was simple, now if I have to use the "hack" that is no longer the case.
Ed Greshko composed on 2015-06-18 11:18 (UTC+0800):
I'm talking about the folders area as well as the message list are. Previously, in KDE 4, you'd go to "System Settings -> Common Appearance -> Application Appearance > GTK+ Appearance" and check the box for "Use my KDE fonts in GTK+ applications" and then the fonts of T-Bird would follow the font settings under "Fonts".
Those options no longer exist.
Maybe they aren't supposed to need to any more. IOW, they should automatically be the same unless you make some selection somewhere or take some other action to make them not the same.
I looked through the thread and was unable to find any statement that the fonts TB was using were different from those used by KDE apps. All I found was you wanted larger, and nothing about where you wanted larger. The option to use KDE fonts in GTK apps in prior versions never meant using any other than the same. I suppose they're probably supposed to be doing that by default now. We still don't know that you want a change due to their being different than KDE's, rather than simply wanting bigger.
I suppose, for now, I'll have to explore the possibilities in the link you've provided. In KDE 4 it was simple, now if I have to use the "hack" that is no longer the case.
What does FF report for DPI when you open http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/dpi-screen-window.html ? Before trying the complicated stuff, comment Xft.dpi.
On 06/18/15 11:02, Felix Miata wrote:
UI fonts that you want to be different from system fonts need to be changed according to http://kb.mozillazine.org/Pane_and_menu_fonts or by using a Mozilla/TB theme.
This doesn't appear to apply to the most recent versions of T-Bird.
According to the link
chrome/userChrome.css is a file in the profile folder. The file name is incorrectly capitalized in the title of this article due to technical limitations in the software which powers the Knowledge Base.
There is no folder "chrome" and creating one and adding a userChrome.css with the suggested contents has no effect.
Thanks for trying.
Ed Greshko composed on 2015-06-18 11:29 (UTC+0800):
Felix Miata wrote:
UI fonts that you want to be different from system fonts need to be changed according to http://kb.mozillazine.org/Pane_and_menu_fonts or by using a Mozilla/TB theme.
This doesn't appear to apply to the most recent versions of T-Bird.
If it wasn't supposed to, their would have been a big brough ha ha that it stopped.
According to the link
chrome/userChrome.css is a file in the profile folder.
That is an optional profile directory. It doesn't exist unless a user creates it.
There is no folder "chrome" and creating one and adding a userChrome.css with the suggested contents has no effect.
If you did it correctly it would constitute major breakage dictating a report having already been filed by now on bugzilla.mozilla.org. Surely something must have gone wrong in your create chrome/userChrome.css process. chrome/userChrome.css always works as expected in my Mozilla product profiles.
You might try speeding up finding a solution via irc://moznet/#thunderbird or irc://moznet/#linux
On 06/18/15 11:42, Felix Miata wrote:
Ed Greshko composed on 2015-06-18 11:29 (UTC+0800):
Felix Miata wrote:
UI fonts that you want to be different from system fonts need to be changed according to http://kb.mozillazine.org/Pane_and_menu_fonts or by using a Mozilla/TB theme.
This doesn't appear to apply to the most recent versions of T-Bird.
If it wasn't supposed to, their would have been a big brough ha ha that it stopped.
According to the link chrome/userChrome.css is a file in the profile folder.
That is an optional profile directory. It doesn't exist unless a user creates it.
There is no folder "chrome" and creating one and adding a userChrome.css with the suggested contents has no effect.
If you did it correctly it would constitute major breakage dictating a report having already been filed by now on bugzilla.mozilla.org. Surely something must have gone wrong in your create chrome/userChrome.css process. chrome/userChrome.css always works as expected in my Mozilla product profiles.
You might try speeding up finding a solution via irc://moznet/#thunderbird or irc://moznet/#linux
I no longer understand what you're trying to say. It sounds as if you're agreeing with me that userChrome.css isn't a method available in the present form.
These screenshots show what works in F21. This no longer works in F22. There is no option to tell GTK+ applications to use KDE font settings and they certainly don't follow them by "default"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2H9v1dYNcvpYzBfOHNfZEkzaU0/view?usp=sharin... https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2H9v1dYNcvpUW5wMl9GbmJ5MVU/view?usp=sharin...
On 06/18/15 11:02, Felix Miata wrote:
UI fonts that you want to be different from system fonts need to be changed according to http://kb.mozillazine.org/Pane_and_menu_fonts or by using a Mozilla/TB theme.
My, my don't I feel embarrassed.
This actually does work. The system I was on actually has 2 profiles in the ~/.thunderbird directory and I modified the wrong one!
Thanks very much for your help.
Ed Greshko composed on 2015-06-18 12:15 (UTC+0800):
Felix Miata wrote:
UI fonts that you want to be different from system fonts need to be changed according to http://kb.mozillazine.org/Pane_and_menu_fonts or by using a Mozilla/TB theme.
My, my don't I feel embarrassed.
This actually does work. The system I was on actually has 2 profiles in the ~/.thunderbird directory and I modified the wrong one!
Thanks very much for your help.
:-D
It still needs to be determined why this approach to achieving A11Y/U7Y was necessary. People shouldn't need to do go through this as a result of "upgrading".
On 06/18/15 12:47, Felix Miata wrote:
It still needs to be determined why this approach to achieving A11Y/U7Y was necessary. People shouldn't need to do go through this as a result of "upgrading".
Agreed.
I thought kde-gtk-config was meant to address this. Will have to see if it affects other GTK+ apps but just not T-Bird.
Ed Greshko composed on 2015-06-18 12:53 (UTC+0800):
Felix Miata wrote:
It still needs to be determined why this approach to achieving A11Y/U7Y was necessary. People shouldn't need to do go through this as a result of "upgrading".
Agreed.
I thought kde-gtk-config was meant to address this. Will have to see if it affects other GTK+ apps but just not T-Bird.
I don't think there's anything wrong with GTK UI font sizes in KF5 generally: http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/Fedora/k5ov201506-132.jpg
It's just that the folder and thread pane fonts in TB and SeaMonkey Mail are smaller than other UI fonts in TB and elsewhere, thus more easily found too small, and their gray color compounds the problem.
Am 18.06.2015 um 05:02 schrieb Felix Miata:
Ed Greshko composed on 2015-06-18 10:49 (UTC+0800):
On 06/18/15 09:49, Felix Miata wrote:
Exactly which TB fonts do you want to change?
The UI fonts.
That's not exact. Which UI fonts, all? Some? If some, which? Are the UI fonts used by TB not now the same size and style as the UI fonts in KDE apps?
UI fonts that you want to be different from system fonts need to be changed according to http://kb.mozillazine.org/Pane_and_menu_fonts or by using a Mozilla/TB theme
the point is that with KDE4 over years you just installed oxygen-gtk and where done - the goal is NOT to change specific font sizes BUT to have GTK, QT4 and QT5 applications IN THE SAME look and feel and this thread sounds like we made a LARGE step backwards with Fedora 22 and KDE which is the reason i consider skip F22 entirely and pray that things become better
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