Is there a list anywhere of what packages are required to get any session to proceed beyond crash notices? Out of more than a dozen, probably more than twice that, of F22 & Rawhide installations, I've only ever seen what KF desktop looks like on one, and that on the slowest system on which I have either installed, an Athlon XP 2000+.
I'm not interested in having anything more than the bare minimum, plus Konsole, Konq, Kmix and Ksnapshot. The only "k" groupinstall I"ve found, kde-desktop', wants to add 362 packages to the 112 KDE/KDF packages already installed, among them bluedevil, bluez, kamera, kdegames-minimal, kmail, kontact, multiple NetworkManager leaves, dmraid, firewalld, ghostscript, bazillions of python*, speech-dispatcher, lvm2 and many other packages, all inconsistent with minimalism, and unlikely that I'd ever use on purpose.
On the latest, I left the screen just sitting after closing the crash windows. Eventually the locker tried to start, so now my screen's center is covered with illegible (text in some tiny fraction of what I can see without a magnifier) syslogd messages. Switching to a tty to login, I get a continuous flood of syslogd messages about the locker that makes killing startkde tough.
On Mar 21, 2015 4:07 PM, "Felix Miata" mrmazda@earthlink.net wrote:
Is there a list anywhere of what packages are required to get any session
to
proceed beyond crash notices? Out of more than a dozen, probably more than twice that, of F22 & Rawhide installations, I've only ever seen what KF desktop looks like on one, and that on the slowest system on which I have either installed, an Athlon XP 2000+.
I'm not interested in having anything more than the bare minimum, plus Konsole, Konq, Kmix and Ksnapshot. The only "k" groupinstall I"ve found, kde-desktop', wants to add 362 packages to the 112 KDE/KDF packages
already
installed, among them bluedevil, bluez, kamera, kdegames-minimal, kmail, kontact, multiple NetworkManager leaves, dmraid, firewalld, ghostscript, bazillions of python*, speech-dispatcher, lvm2 and many other packages,
all
inconsistent with minimalism, and unlikely that I'd ever use on purpose.
On the latest, I left the screen just sitting after closing the crash windows. Eventually the locker tried to start, so now my screen's center
is
covered with illegible (text in some tiny fraction of what I can see
without
a magnifier) syslogd messages. Switching to a tty to login, I get a continuous flood of syslogd messages about the locker that makes killing startkde tough. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)
Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!
Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ _______________________________________________
Afaik - and I sincerely hope to be corrected if I am wrong - the closest thing to an 'official' system requirements list resides in the Release Notes. As an F22 tester, I hope you would send some signal to the docs team if you observe higher requirements than those stated for the previous release.
--Pete
Pete Travis composed on 2015-03-22 21:48 (UTC-0400):
Felix Miata wrote:
Is there a list anywhere of what packages are required to get any session to proceed beyond crash notices? Out of more than a dozen, probably more than twice that, of F22 & Rawhide installations, I've only ever seen what KF desktop looks like on one, and that on the slowest system on which I have either installed, an Athlon XP 2000+.
I'm not interested in having anything more than the bare minimum, plus Konsole, Konq, Kmix and Ksnapshot. The only "k" groupinstall I"ve found, kde-desktop', wants to add 362 packages to the 112 KDE/KDF packages already installed, among them bluedevil, bluez, kamera, kdegames-minimal, kmail, kontact, multiple NetworkManager leaves, dmraid, firewalld, ghostscript, bazillions of python*, speech-dispatcher, lvm2 and many other packages, all inconsistent with minimalism, and unlikely that I'd ever use on purpose.
On the latest, I left the screen just sitting after closing the crash windows. Eventually the locker tried to start, so now my screen's center is covered with illegible (text in some tiny fraction of what I can see without a magnifier) syslogd messages. Switching to a tty to login, I get a continuous flood of syslogd messages about the locker that makes killing startkde tough.
Afaik - and I sincerely hope to be corrected if I am wrong - the closest thing to an 'official' system requirements list resides in the Release Notes. As an F22 tester, I hope you would send some signal to the docs team if you observe higher requirements than those stated for the previous release.
I don't see anything about "system requirements" in TOC on http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/21/html/Release_Notes/, but "system requirements" isn't anything like what I was asking for.
Put another way, on a system that already can run TWM or IceWM or some other X session besides KDE, what needs to be installed so that a Plasma Desktop can be reached without any crash messages along the way, or the way being halted, and subsequently being able to start and use Konq, Ksnapshot, Kcalc, Kmix and Konsole. Since my OP I did some experimentingand found the following seems to provide needed additions to a minimal HTTP installation:
yum install \ alsa-utils \ cups-client \ gwenview \ kcalc \ kcm-gtk \ kcm_systemd \ kde-baseapps \ kde-settings-plasma \ kdm \ konqueror \ kmenuedit \ kmix \ konsole \ ksnapshot \ kwin \ mesa-dri-drivers \ plasma-desktop \ plasma-systemsettings \ plasma-workspace \ xorg-x11-apps \ xorg-x11-drv-ati \ xorg-x11-drv-evdev \ xorg-x11-drv-fbdev \ xorg-x11-drv-intel \ xorg-x11-drv-libinput \ xorg-x11-drv-libinput \ xorg-x11-drv-nouveau \ xorg-x11-drv-vesa \ xorg-x11-font-utils \ xorg-x11-server-common \ xorg-x11-server-utils \ xorg-x11-server-Xorg \ xorg-x11-utils \ xorg-x11-xauth xorg-x11-xinit \ xorg-x11-xkb-utils
On Mar 23, 2015 2:53 AM, "Felix Miata" mrmazda@earthlink.net wrote:
Pete Travis composed on 2015-03-22 21:48 (UTC-0400):
Felix Miata wrote:
Is there a list anywhere of what packages are required to get any
session to
proceed beyond crash notices? Out of more than a dozen, probably more
than
twice that, of F22 & Rawhide installations, I've only ever seen what KF desktop looks like on one, and that on the slowest system on which I
have
either installed, an Athlon XP 2000+.
I'm not interested in having anything more than the bare minimum, plus Konsole, Konq, Kmix and Ksnapshot. The only "k" groupinstall I"ve
found,
kde-desktop', wants to add 362 packages to the 112 KDE/KDF packages
already
installed, among them bluedevil, bluez, kamera, kdegames-minimal,
kmail,
kontact, multiple NetworkManager leaves, dmraid, firewalld,
ghostscript,
bazillions of python*, speech-dispatcher, lvm2 and many other
packages, all
inconsistent with minimalism, and unlikely that I'd ever use on
purpose.
On the latest, I left the screen just sitting after closing the crash windows. Eventually the locker tried to start, so now my screen's
center is
covered with illegible (text in some tiny fraction of what I can see
without
a magnifier) syslogd messages. Switching to a tty to login, I get a continuous flood of syslogd messages about the locker that makes
killing
startkde tough.
Afaik - and I sincerely hope to be corrected if I am wrong - the closest thing to an 'official' system requirements list resides in the Release Notes. As an F22 tester, I hope you would send some signal to the docs team if you observe higher requirements than those stated for the
previous
release.
I don't see anything about "system requirements" in TOC on http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/21/html/Release_Notes/, but "system requirements" isn't anything like what I was asking for.
Put another way, on a system that already can run TWM or IceWM or some
other
X session besides KDE, what needs to be installed so that a Plasma Desktop can be reached without any crash messages along the way, or the way being halted, and subsequently being able to start and use Konq, Ksnapshot,
Kcalc,
Kmix and Konsole. Since my OP I did some experimentingand found the
following
seems to provide needed additions to a minimal HTTP installation:
yum install \ alsa-utils \ cups-client \ gwenview \ kcalc \ kcm-gtk \ kcm_systemd \ kde-baseapps \ kde-settings-plasma \ kdm \ konqueror \ kmenuedit \ kmix \ konsole \ ksnapshot \ kwin \ mesa-dri-drivers \ plasma-desktop \ plasma-systemsettings \ plasma-workspace \ xorg-x11-apps \ xorg-x11-drv-ati \ xorg-x11-drv-evdev \ xorg-x11-drv-fbdev \ xorg-x11-drv-intel \ xorg-x11-drv-libinput \ xorg-x11-drv-libinput \ xorg-x11-drv-nouveau \ xorg-x11-drv-vesa \ xorg-x11-font-utils \ xorg-x11-server-common \ xorg-x11-server-utils \ xorg-x11-server-Xorg \ xorg-x11-utils \ xorg-x11-xauth xorg-x11-xinit \ xorg-x11-xkb-utils -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)
Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!
Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ _______________________________________________
My apologies, I completely misinterpreted your message. Its not clear how I would have done that so thoroughly...
--Pete
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