Re: package submission policy question
by Colin Charles
On Thu, 2005-06-02 at 09:28 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
> I really like the idea have having short Linux/Fedora tips as the
> default
> fortune content. (And am all good with dropping the rest from the
> default
> package.) But that'd be a Project for someone.
Ala, what FreeBSD has? Hmm, that would be rather useful, yes
Punting down to fedora-marketing
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18 years, 10 months
FUDCon II Promo suggestion
by Alex
Hello everyone!
We have been receiving some registrations, but would like to drive still more!
I would like to suggest to those of you willing to promote FUDCon 2 to
add this (or similar) text to your signature:
FUDCon II @ LinuxTag
June 24-25, 2005 in Karlsruhe, Germany
http://fedoraproject.com/fudcon/
All who register before showing up will get official Fedora gear :)
Also, please support FUDCon by letting your friends know about it.
Thanks a lot,
Alex
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Re: Getting down to business
by Jonathan Darton
I think it might be useful to have case studies or testimonials from users
about how they use Fedora. This might help people understand the project and
its potential to be used in various ways. And of course more users = more
potential contributors to the project. :)
Just a thought!
-Jonathan Darton
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Folks,
As Fedora continues to become more and more real, it's clearly time to
figure out what role the Fedora marketing team needs to play. There will,
of course, be some issues to be negotiated around what the Fedora
marketing team can and cannot do based on Red Hat policy -- but:
a. There's plenty of things that a Fedora marketing team *can* do, now;
b. Fedora marketing should be pushing Red Hat to help define those limits.
So. Since Colin Charles is the owner of this list and one of its
originators, I've asked him to start putting together the pieces, to make
Fedora marketing its own project.
Good luck, Colin. Take us to the promised land. :)
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From: Chris Negus <cnegus(a)mwt.net>
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On Tue, 2005-05-31 at 17:05 -0400, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote:
> As Fedora continues to become more and more real, it's clearly time to
> figure out what role the Fedora marketing team needs to play. There will,
> of course, be some issues to be negotiated around what the Fedora
> marketing team can and cannot do based on Red Hat policy -- but:
> a. There's plenty of things that a Fedora marketing team *can* do, now;
> b. Fedora marketing should be pushing Red Hat to help define those limits.
I'd like to offer my help. I certainly don't have a good feel for the
total scope of what Fedora marketing should be doing. However, I was
thinking recently about gathering up information on:
* What Fedora is
* When Fedora is appropriate as opposed to RHEL
* How can someone get involved with the project:
As someone using Fedora (user, admin, programmer)
As someone packaging their software for Fedora
As someone who has other skills to offer (writer, marketer, etc.)
By putting this together in the form of a presentation, I was thinking
that it would help us all sing from the same sheet music (so to speak).
Also, busy people wouldn't have to start from scratch if they just
wanted to give a talk on Fedora to the local LUG.
I also think that it's possible to have a story about what Fedora is
that is respectful of Red Hat Inc. and Red Hat Enterprise Linux. Clarity
will help everyone, I believe. Thoughts?
-- Chris Negus
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18 years, 11 months
Fedora Core 3: Cruising The Bleeding Edge
by Rahul Sundaram
Hi
I came across your review of Fedora Core 3 (
http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/5670/1/). I would like
point out that your characterisation of Fedora Project as "This is the
playground for Red Hat engineers and random volunteer developers to go
nuts and try out wacky new things, and users get to play along" is
entirely inaccurate.
* Fedora Projects has a core as well as extras repository both of which
has a publicly accessible revision control system at
http://cvs.fedora.redhat.com/
* Fedora core is entirely maintained by Red Hat developers
* Fedora Extras is a repository of contributors who package software
that is developed in sync with Fedora core
While Fedora project is intended to less conservative than Red Hat
Enterprise Linux and have a faster release cycle, it is certainly not a
"lets get crazy" thing . Packaging in both core and extras goes through
a good amount of QA before releases. some of the bugs like the udev one
in the Fedora Core 3 release are unfortunate and should be avoided but
thats not a result of developers being "wacky".
Moving on to the next parts, I appreciate your recommendation to read
the release notes. This is something users frequently miss out. Linking
to the release notes within your review would have been a good idea too.
"A heavily-patched 2.6.9 kernel (currently 2.6.9-1.667). Note that Red
Hat always modifies kernels extensively; this is not unusual."
Dave Jones, the Kernel maintainer for Fedora has provided the following
links which explain these patches.
Fedora Core 3- http://people.redhat.com/davej/patchlist-fc3.txt
Development tree - http://people.redhat.com/davej/patchlist-rawhide.txt
As you can see for yourself the patches are minor and necessary. Fedora
Project has a goal of staying close to upstream as much as possible
however Fedora releases are time based while the upstream kernel
development releases are not and hence some of the patches that fixes
important things are available in Fedora kernel till it gets merged
upstream in the subsequent releases. Adding patches is a maintainance
issue and developers prefer not to do that within reasonable limitations
so an extensive amount of patches are not scalable as well as unusual
for any package in Fedora.
On services running unecessarily, some of these including the pcmcia
services running unnecessarily on a desktop system has been fixed in the
development tree. More works needs to be done on that area. You have
mentioned that a GNOME menu editor is not available in Fedora Core 3.
While this is not a Fedora specific issue, I consider it a important one
neverthless, Smeg (http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/) is
currently under review
(https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-extras-list/2005-May/msg01107.html)
for packaging in Fedora Extras repository (enabled by default in Fedora
Core 4) hopefully alleviates this problem to a extend till we get a menu
editor as part of GNOME 2.12
(http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2004-May/msg00232.htm)
Thank you for taking the time to review a Fedora release.
regards
Rahul
18 years, 11 months
