[Fwd: [Bug 163675] mpeg situation not explained in documentation]
by Karsten Wade
I'm punting this over to the marketing side. The consensus on #fedora-
docs is this:
a) Fedora has not done a very good job of loudly advertising why we
don't distribute certain codecs, although we do spend a lot of time
addressing the topic in other ways.
b) The complaint about multimedia is in every poorly researched review.
c) This is the latest stick to beat Fedora with.
d) An official rebuttal/comment on the situation might help.
Any ideas on this?
I appreciate Greg's approach of pushing the situation back on other
people. Our only failing is probably in not being loud and present
enough with our comments/rebuttals. Maybe the desktop background by
default should be an explanation of "why no MP3 support".
I don't mind including something useful in the release notes, and in
fact had intended to with an update. This bug report approaches making
a few good points, buried as it is in so much bile.
I'll likely ignore updating this bug except to CLOSE it when the time
comes. I've used up the ounce of civility I brewed for this situation
on this wannabe-customer.
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Subject: [Bug 163675] mpeg situation not explained in documentation
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 14:33:48 -0400
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Summary: mpeg situation not explained in documentation
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=163675
------- Additional Comments From redhat(a)chaos.demon.nl 2005-07-21 14:33 EST -------
What a cop out.
First of all: just because your customers aren't paying you doesn't mean you can
treat them however you like.
Secondly: it would have been no trouble at all to include one tiny paragraph in
the release notes explaining all this. You make it sound like it would have cost
a team of writers months to do this.
Thirdly: this is not some obscure little "non-free, closed-source, illegal and
patent-infringing" piece of software. Missing MPEg audio playback functionality
is a sizable drawback for many people. Even Windows plays back MP3 files by
default. So do almost all other Linux distributions. It is something people
rightly expect, and at the very least it should be explained to them (by the
creators of the product, not by having them perform Google queries) that it is
missing, and why.
Lastly: don't blame me for this for not filing a bug about it during the test
process. As if nobody could have figured this out otherwise. And as if the
situation hasn't been the same for many previous versions.
What un unworthy response... Pity...
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Re: [Fwd: [Bug 163675] mpeg situation not explained in ...
by Marc Wiriadisastra
I first used linux which was RH9 I think.
What I did was the web browser which was Navigator if I'm not wrong. I
then search through all the links to try and find out what I could and
couldn't do and how I was supposed to do things.
I suppose the 'best' example would have to be the http://ubuntuguide.org I
think thats the link. It basically explains everything including the
propietary stuff. The equivalent I've used at times has been fedorafaq
which was great but didn't imo go far enough.
I suppose a happy medium between the two as a link possibly. Or maybe the
standard home should have a help section then from there to a docs section
explaning.
I know a lot of people who still don't know about SElinux because they
don't know where to look. Granted fedoraforum for example has helped with
that however solving it in the first place by creating that link from the
front webpage.
Another great doc section I suppose could be the gentoo docs which
although its a 'hard' way of going for a newbie who has very little idea
of compiling it steps you through everything which really was helpful for
me for example when I first tried it. Stupid me forgot to enable the swap
space :(
Should we look at all examples of put all examples down and start creating
a 'template' of how to lay it out or has that already been done. If
so can someone point me in the right direction please.
Just putting suggestions forward and I suppose I'm trying to 'picture'
how it would look. Possibly start on a table of contents or has that been
progressed on.
> On Fri, 2005-07-22 at 08:46 +0800, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote:
>> Is this suggestions to be done straight away as in announcing it or
are
>> we
>> planning on making it big enough to hit people over the head with
in
>> FC5?
>
- Ignored:
> Both?
>
>> The only thing I can suggest is adding it to the front page of
Firefox
>> when you start it up after the install. It can say it there. Or
maybe
>> when you find links to download the .iso's. Put a what fedora does
and
>> doesn't do section. What type of os it is regarding the fact that
its
>> imo
>> semi-bleeding edge.
>
> Then that would be a "Note" that appears at the top of the release
notes. I agree with the concept of what you suggest, it certainly makes
> it fairly obvious. However, I don't know about the idea of making
the
> first, biggest, and most regular information that readers see be a
message about MP3 patents.
>
> We reorganized the release notes to be more friendly for a default
Firefox page. Not all the changes are in FC4, but the basic idea
was to
> add a "what's new" section and make the table of contents more
visible
> to show what information is in the release notes. The "what's new"
contains links to useful information, and would be a natural place to
> put such a note.
>
> - Karsten
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Meeting notes: Meeting 1 (Jul 14 2005)
by Colin Charles
Let's hope all this made sense...
--colin
Present:
<please fill this up before placing it on the wiki>
Bob-Laptop
foosball
Matthew Miller
Craig Anderson
Thijs_H
Matt Frye
Karsten Wade
Gregdk
w0ndersp00n
Alex Maier
Elliot 'sopwith' Lee
Jeremy Hogan
* how do we explain fedora? I.e. facilitating explanation. Greg
suggests:
"Fedora is a series of projects. The central project is Fedora Core,
which is a leading Linux distribution, sponsored by Red Hat and
supported by the community."
* Who maintains copy about Fedora at Distrowatch?
* How do we come up with a (release) name for Fedora Core 5
* How do we incent contributors to less sexy projects like Bug Team?
* Logos - hats, periodic tables, puppy. Bob-Laptop has decided to create
a page for Fedora logos (this is step 1).
Step 2 - solicit more ideas
Step 3 - Cull the best ideas, and get RH creative review/refinement
Greg will take us thru Step 3, community marketers to push till Step 2
* Swag/goodies - we want to make sure people making small contributions
get recognised. Budget is miserable, but there's a supply of caps
(~200), t-shirts (~500) and RH Bumper Stickers (~tonne :P) at RDU. We
don't want levels of contributors, as it discourages folk. All
contributors are equal.
* Swag distribution is a problem. Matt Frye to do this (failing which
Colin will do it). Jeremy Hogan talks about a fulfillment site. Both
Hogan and MattF to work together
* How else can we allow contributors to be rewarded? Mention in release
notes, easter eggs in the OS, @fedoraproject.org aliases (action:
colin/seth), recognition in RH Magazine (Karsten Wade and Matt Frye are
going to try and get 2-3 interviews of Fedora contributors in each issue
of RHM - ACTION: write mail to Tammy Fox, cc'ing greg and colin),
sending a personal letter of thanks, about:my_name_here in Firefox (ask
Chris Aillon about this), possibility of mention in the *RHEL Release
Notes*
* FUDCon 3 in London - hats off to Alex Maier. Do we want a new naming
scheme? Like FUDCon <City> <Year> (i.e. FUDCon London 2005). Will
coincide with LWE in London (no weekends, save on budget). LWE UK will
support FUDCon 3 with in-kind donations (go Alex!); Alex to work on
FUDCon London 2005 page on the wiki. We need to get speakers next.
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18 years, 9 months
[Fwd: Re: fedora guide]
by Karsten Wade
In case you are interested in this discussion but aren't on f-docs-l.
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Subject: Re: fedora guide
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 13:11:37 -0700
On Mon, 2005-07-18 at 15:12 -0400, Colin Charles wrote:
> Ok, dare I ask a) why another fedora site,
I don't think we can or should bring all things Fedora under the project
umbrella.
We rely upon the value these sites bring. One value is that they have
been there, in some cases all along, where we have foundered. Not only
would it be not-fair to assimilate them, they have name recognition that
we didn't earn.
Another value is in being able to more freely discuss some topics.
For example, in Fedora Documentation, we focus only on software you can
get in Core or Extras. However, those aren't the only solutions out
there. These sites are free to recommend any software and method that
solves the problem. We'd have to expand our scope by a huge amount, and
dilute the value of our Fedora-only documentation, to bring these sites
under the Fedora Documentation umbrella. We have enough work as-is with
the current scope, thankyouverymuch. :)
Another example is the typical one, all of the non-free/potentially
patent-infringing discussions.
> c) can we work together as there are others
> trying to do this with the existing resources (read archives of f-m-l)
This is the vision I have and have been trying to build:
* Third-party (3-p) Fedora sites are part of the f-marketing-l and f-
docs-l, to help coordinate and keep informed on what is going on with
similar efforts within Fedora.
* 3-p sites coordinate together through a mechanism of their choice,
some of which are in the works. These mechanisms are made freely
available to Fedora Project members who want to monitor or contribute.
* We run parallel collaboration, so the 3-p sites fill in the gaps we
cannot, in a manner we will not.
- Karsten
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Meeting minutes
by Colin Charles
Here it is!
As a reminder, we're going to try doing *bi-weekly* meetings as opposed
to *weekly* meetings. However, hanging out on the IRC channel (which I
see some of you do), is great, for us to punt new things
See you next week!
(where I ought to send a reminder, yes)
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18 years, 9 months
[Fwd: Re: Gtk+ 2.8 for GNOME 2.12]
by Colin Charles
Look at the bits by Luis Villa at the bottom. What can we do about
increasing QA of the distro? Jack, you're reading this I know, so how
can this tie in with triage? Whom do we/how can we _market_ to possible
new QA'ers?
Regards
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18 years, 9 months