A few friends in China are trying to find a fast mirror for FC and
then I find that there are zero mirrors in mainland China though there
are a few in Hong Kong and Taiwan. I'd like to see this situation
improved. Can anyone give me some pointers? I will try my best to help
How about "Fedora Synergy"? That name implies the effort from both community and
developers and the fact it is the base of several distribution like Red Hat
Enterprise Linux and One Laptop Per Child.
Fedora Project contributor
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Dimitris Glezos wrote:
> Well, merging Core and Extras doesn't necessarily mean we should
change the name
> of our distribution. I suggest for us to consider the cost in changing the name.
> The name "Fedora Core" has established a reputation as "The distribution the
> Fedora Project produces". If we completely discontinue the "Core" product as
> such, then there is no conflict in keeping that name for our distribution. It
> will simply have a new meaning. Besides, that's what the conscious is: we are
> opening up Core; we are not substituting it with something new. We are just
> changing the build processes and mechanisms.
I think Dimitris is absolutely correct. There is a high cost with
'rebranding'. Sometimes rebranding is necessary, but I am not convinced
that our 'internal process' change (admittedly visible to anyone) is
cause enough to justify rebranding or the immense effort people would
have to go through to communicate that to the end user nothing has
changed, it's merely a process change.
Since Gregdek has said that it can't be only 'Fedora' or 'Fedora Linux'
and has also stated that '"The Fedora Project" is the umbrella for
everything that Fedora does.' I think Fedora Core is a very apt (thought
I suppose I should say yummy instead) name, as producing a
distribution/collection of packages is the CORE or central focus of 'The
Fedora Project' .
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A two part review
Dare you trust Fedora Core 6 to production servers or desktops? Yes. If
they are not mission-critical systems and you can tolerate downtimes, if
you are diligent about keeping security patches applied, and if you are
willing to trade extra work in exchange for getting your hands on
enterprise-worthy bleeding-edge applications. Nothing beats a production
environment for testing- no test lab can possibly duplicate all the
factors real users will inflict on your innocent computers. If you want
something that Just Works, don't use early Fedora releases.
Be sure to read the release notes and other documentation. The Fedora
project is absolutely dripping with good documentation.
Please keep in mind that you can contribute by posting good bug reports
and helping other users on the mailing lists, support forums, and Wikis.
You don't have to make it your life's work- a little bit from everyone
adds up to a lot. "
> From: Rahul Sundaram
> Point. I added that link now. I am a pretty biased source having
> that document though I believe it is generally very helpful to end
I think from a marketing perspective, having that link visible helps
re-enforce the progress made toward a more transparent organization.
To me it says "We aren't perfect, here is the stuff we missed."
Maybe I read too much into little things ;)
> I wrote up a wiki page on this at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/
> and linked to it from the common bugs page which was send to the
> announce list. I find it hard to see how we could propogate these kind
> of information further.
I think the "Common Bugs" page is quite informative.
I hadn't noticed that link, or passed over it because I already knew
the background. Thanks for pointing it out.
I think the "Common Bugs" page should have a link on the main page,
right up where the download links are.
It is at least as important as Usage Stats.
> From: Rahul Sundaram <sundaram(a)fedoraproject.org>
>> Slap down a digital voice recorder next to the phone speaker and
>> post an
>> OGG later.
Is the IRC "transcript" available anywhere ?
Not that I am interested, but that is an advantage of a digital audio
file of conference call procedings, it can be referenced at any time,
sort of a historical record. IRC does open up the live conversation
to those that aren't on the conference call. Unless that IRC session
is saved and posted, it can't be referenced as time passes. An IRC
log is possibly more easily skimmed through than an audio file, but
does not contain the "body language" of inflection, etc.
> This worked out pretty well for the summit itself and I
> think we will continue that process for the future board meetings too.
> It would be good to hear what progress you think we have made
The transparency into the organization seems to be getting much
better. I also think Fedora is out of the "incubation" period. Every
startup faces a problem of establishing a brand. Part of establishing
a brand is establishing trust. Because of the way the birth of Fedora
happened ( which we can't change ), it started not at zero, but
somewhere in minus land as far as trust in the eyes of many in the
open source community. As the download/update access numbers for FC6
attest, I think a turning point has been reached. Branding is more
than establishing what you _are_, it is also establishing what you
are _not_. Consistently. The recent MS-Novell dealings have turned
the light bulbs on over many heads as the consistency of the message
of a free as in speech distribution finally kicked in. And it was
good that RH backed that. As much as Fedora is not RHEL, there is a
Somehow we need to find how to differentiate Fedora from Ubuntu in a
simple, understandable way that does not knock or put down Ubuntu.
As well as the transparency of the organization is progressing ( work
still to be done, eh ? ), the transparency into certain engineering
decisions could improve. Similar to how XGL was dropped on the world,
sometimes I see an entry in the rawhide report on f-d-l and think "
How'd they decide that ? ". If you so choose, now you can follow the
decision process of organizational issues, because the Fedora
organization is now almost completely outside the RH fence line. The
decision process on engineering issues is not that transparent, and I
expect the merging of Core "into" Extras will help that.
An example could be the decision to stick with Firefox 1.5 in FC6. It
got mentioned in several reviews, particularly in comparison with
Ubuntu. If you followed f-d-l you would have read the Firefox
maintainer's understandable position. If reviewers would have seen
> Let me state it plainly for everyone: There is nothing
> extremely compelling about Firefox 2.0. Firefox 3.0 on the other hand
> will be very compelling for both features, linux support, and
> support. I am seriously considering pushing 3.0 into FC6 and even
> and have been making noises for a while about that being the next
then I think the 1.5 vs. 2.0 issue would have not been a negative,
possibly with a positive spin. Bonus points for considering 2.0 not
"new" enough. It would have also added to the consistency of the
"upstream, upstream" mantra Fedora is/should be known for.
Another related issue is if I am new to Fedora and I want to know "
Where is Fedora heading ? " , how do I get that info ?
What list do I subscribe to ?
What URLs/sites should I monitor ? What blogs ?
That isn't particularly clear, until after you've sampled a bit of
every channel and discarded the ones you feel don't apply. The hardy
soul that does that is uncommon. Fedora Weekly News does bring
together some of the different channels in one place.
I think some of the mismatch between reality and the perception of
the Fedora project is rooted in the channels used to expose the
activities of the Fedora project. If you subscribe to and follow a
decent subset of the mail lists, I think you come away with a good
idea of where Fedora is and where it is going. You can't cruise in,
surf a few forums and poke at the list archives and come away with
the same impression.
It isn't a Fedora-specific problem. For my company, I also need to
keep on top of proprietary software vendors such as Adobe, Apple, and
Microsoft. You can't get a clear picture of those organizations in a
couple days of cruising their web sites either. I don't think I'll
ever get as good a picture of those organizations compared to Fedora,
but if I spend time reading blogs and mail lists from those
companies, I get a much clearer picture.
OK, this turned out much longer than it should have been, sorry.
due to a really unpleasant discussion between the owner of the
FedoraItalia.org domain and the core member of the Associazione ILDN
which ended up in a complete divorce (with papers and "contracts" get
done with a lawyer) the latter has decided to start another resource:
which is, at the moment and by any mean a work in progress, so we
will look to the logo and such.
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Nicola .:kOoLiNuS:. Losito
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