[Fedora-marketing-list] Re: who has some CSS/wiki foo?
by chasd
> So I did some minor changes last night to FedoraMain, the front page of
> the wiki.
I think that is an improvement, however I think the FC6 links should be
below the FC5 links.
IMHO, stable releases should be encouraged over test releases.
At least there are test release links on the main page now, I like that.
> I think that a comparatively small amount of effort could make a *huge*
> difference in the professional look and feel, and ease of use, of our
> wiki.
I think before the layout is determined, you need to decide what is the
order of importance.
Obviously "How do I get it" is very important, but what are the next
three or four most needed pieces of info ?
My top five would be
Download
Help
News
Participate
Goals
( not sure about the order )
> This is only going to look right in plain text email readers:
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Stuff that comes at the top of the wiki
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Two column layout
>
> FC6 screenshot Fedora logo
I personally don't like having two logos close to each other.
I would remove one. The space the log takes here could be better used
with some descriptive copy, or a review quote.
>
> Download FC6
> torrents, x86, etc.
A link to new features here might be a good idea.
You offer links to FC5 and to FC6, some copy or a link to help the
viewer decide which to choose might be a good idea.
>
> Download FC%
> torrents, x86, etc.
>
> basically the way it is right now, some sort of box around it to set it
> apart from the rest of the FedoraMain
Why set it apart ?
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Two column layout
>
> Left column, in white Right column, some sort of color bg
> Fedora Projects General Information
> now we list the "biggest" stuff like FAQ, Communicate,
> Projects, with just a few Press queries, etc, one or two
> words about each "latest news" blurbs, weekly
> reports, etc.
Not sure why two different colored backgrounds would be required here.
I think the organization into two columns is enough of a separation.
Maybe one column is wider than the other to indicate emphasis rather
than a different background color.
One more comment about color, one of the reasons I think FedoraMain is,
um, not as inviting as the other links Mr. Spevack provided is the
colors are either all the same or neutral. Everything is either blue,
white, or black/grey. Blue is a rather passive color. I think one or
maybe two brighter colors in small doses to add interest might help.
Also there is almost no imagery or graphics on FedoraMain ( besides the
screen shot ) compared to icons or even images at the other links. The
Fedora style ( and Ubuntu ) uses very flat color. Adding something with
dimension provides contrast to the flat color. Note how if you remove
the icons from the openSUSE page the design becomes much more plain. If
the Mozilla icons were flat that page would start to be a yawner.
I agree with another post that the use of badges or "banners" to
attract the eye to highly requested areas might be a good idea,
particularly if there are highlights and shadows to provide dimension.
I have zero experience with Wikis, MoinMoin in particular.
Charles Dostale
17 years, 7 months
[Fedora-marketing-list] Fwd: [Famsco-list] video driver
by Alex
Folks,
This is one of the last requests that came in through the redirect to Famsco.
Anyone wants to try their hand in responding?
Thanks,
Alex
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Tully Morrison <tulmor(a)netdoor.com>
Date: Sep 16, 2006 4:00 PM
Subject: [Famsco-list] video driver
To: info(a)fedoraproject.org
----- Original Message -----
From: Tully Morrison
To: info(a)fedoraprojext.org
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 9:33 AM
Subject: video driver
Hi
Fedora Core 4 is what I am using.
I just bought a viewsonic optiquest q9 19" lcd monitor. The driver
for it is not listed in the driver database and its not on the
viewsonic site for linux.
Will you please send me a driver for this monitor or tell me which of
the listed drivers i have to choose from will work best?
Thanks
Tully Morrison
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[Fedora-marketing-list] Fwd: [Famsco-list] xfsprogs prior to 2.8.10 have a really serious bug
by Alex
Here is one more info(a)fp.o request that went to Famsco--it should be
the last one.
Thanks for helping us pick up the slack guys!
a
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Valent Turkovic <valent.turkovic(a)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 17, 2006 9:23 AM
Subject: [Famsco-list] xfsprogs prior to 2.8.10 have a really serious bug
To: gdk(a)fedoraproject.org, info(a)fedoraproject.org, brads(a)redhat.com
I know that Fedora officially doesn't support anything but ext3 but
you still put xfsprogs package with fedora and there is a really big
problem with it.
xfsprogs prior to 2.8.10 have a really serious bug which leads to xfs
partition errors and xfs_repair can't repair the errorous partition.
xfs partition crashes, gives read and write errors and running
xfs_repair doesn't repair it.
The bug is described in here:
http://oss.sgi.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=631
You need to put an updated xfsprogs 2.8.10 or newer package for fedora
core 5, and all other.
Can you please tell me where to get an updated xfsprogs package for
fedora core 5?
Thank you.
Additional info:
http://oss.sgi.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=631
http://tinyurl.com/h4o9h
http://tinyurl.com/fhs29
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[Fedora-marketing-list] Release Notes freeze for FC6
by Paul W. Frields
Release notes will be frozen on the wiki for translation this Saturday,
23 September 2006. Any content not updated there will not be
translated, and will not be in the FC6 final ISO spin. Please make your
updates by Friday 22 September 2006 at 2359 UTC to ensure they are
available to FC6 users.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Schedule
Content will be unfrozen following the XML conversion and release to the
Translation Project. At that time, you may again make changes to the
wiki, but these changes will *NOT* be in the ISO or FC6 final release.
They will be published on the Web as an errata release. This Web page
is linked prominently from the top of the Release Notes included in the
FC6 ISO spin.
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17 years, 7 months
[Fedora-marketing-list] info@fp.org redirect
by Max Spevack
Hi all,
the info(a)fedoraproject.org alias has long been one of the entry points
into the Fedora community for various users, prospective Fedora folks,
people with random problems who don't know where else to turn, etc.
For the past months, that alias has redirected to the Fedora Ambassadors
Steering Committee list. It's worked moderately well, but the number of
people on that list who have sufficient time to devote to the answers is
not enough to do it justice.
So we're going to try an experiment. Instead of directing those inquiries
to FAMSCO, we're going to direct them here, to fedora-marketing-list. I'm
hoping that the wider readership of this list will lead to a faster
turnaround time for the questions, higher quality responses, etc.
Even better would be if there are a few members of this list who are
particularly interested in helping with this project and are able to help
update our FAQ, or create answers that are consistent in their messaging,
etc.
For example, this page has been created in response to one of the most
frequent emails that we get:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ServerTestPage
I'm hopeful that this list will be able to do a better job of handling the
various emails that come into info(a)fedoraproject.org.
Thanks for your attention,
Max
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17 years, 7 months
[Fedora-marketing-list] ambassadors membership
by Konstantin Burtsev
Hi, All.
I signed and sent my icla. But I can`t add ambassadors in my profile. It says
"'Add' action denied. You may need to become a member of the cla_done
group first."
But I have next box
Existing memberships
Show all
Group Name Username Role Domain Role Type Role Status Sponsor
cla_done kburtsev None user In progress Unneeded
What`s up? Maybe I did something wrong ?
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17 years, 7 months
[Fedora-marketing-list] Re: [Ambassadors] Raleigh, we have a problem ...
by Rahul Sundaram
Michael J. Knox wrote:
> Rahul wrote:
>>>
>>> Basically "The conclusion was that the interests of Fedora users
>>> using proprietary NVidia modules outweigh the interests of other
>>> users who would benefit from this update."[1]
>>
>> Amazingly bad conclusion. So much for a detailed explanation of the
>> process. We might as well as have not discussed this issue and
>> conveyed the ideas better. What instead happened was that at the time
>> we were discussing this issue, the Xorg maintainer happened to Ajax
>> and he had no intention on his own to provide a update and we decided
>> that we need to have a general update policy and until then the
>> updates would be a maintainer's decision.
>
> It might be a bad conclusion in the eyes of a RedHat employee and
> someone high in the "ranks" of the Fedora community... but read the
> writing on the wall!
>
> If everyone is calling it a cow, it moos like a cow.. its a good chance
> it is a cow, even if you call it a dog. As a Fedora user and (still) a
> Fedora contributor, it is the same conclusion I drew from the issue.
Just pointing out its a incorrect conclusion. Your perception doesnt
change that. If you want to continue spreading a wrong idea regardless
of the facts, that's your choice but it is not in the best interests of
the project.
>
>>> I was also there when everyone was berating Eric S. Raymond for the
>>> mere suggestion of RedHat making it easier for end users to add MP3
>>> and DVD support. The sheer notation of doing so, left the
>>> fedora-devel mailing looking like a kindergarden play yard (not too
>>> mention IRC).Fedora's attitude towards those that do need 3rd party,
>>> non-distributable or non-free, is doing it damage. I am just telling
>>> you how it is out there, out side your little RedHat office....
>>
>> First, lets stop with belittling other people. My Fedora work has
>> nothing to do with Red Hat. I have been involved with Fedora much
>> before I joined Red Hat so what office I am in is completely
>> irrelevant to the current discussion. I have spend enough time "out
>> there" too to understand the issues that pop up quite often.
>
> Clearly you don't understand, either that, or you are covering your ears
> and going "la la la la la everything is fine la la la la la" because the
> landscape is not peachy for Fedora in my country.
Good attitude there. You assumed that I am sitting in a office and not
speaking to other people or events. That assumption is just not true.
>
>> ESR didnt merely come up with a polite request to add MP3 support. He
>> claimed incorrect things about the patents not covering decoders. The
>> mail was full of inflammatory leads.
> Right or wrong approach to a subject does not make the subject its self
> wrong.
Stating completely incorrect facts in a inflammatory mail does mean that
your valid points if any has very good chances of getting lost.
In my opinion, ESR has some very valid points, one that didn't
> seem to be heard.
Please specify exactly what changes you wanted to be done. As I
understand it, his changes were clearly heard and rejected as being
contradictory to the Fedora objectives.
> That is NOT what is being asked for or even suggested!! Ubuntu, for
> example, does not redistribute non-free in its distribution, however, it
> (non-free) is made easily accessable (legally) through hosted
> repositories. My initial comment was that is should not be a "cardinal
> sin" to advising users on how to install perfectly legal 3rd party
> packages.
I didnt see anybody claim it was a cardinal sin. Ubuntu by the way does
distribute non-free software.
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2006-April/msg00170...
http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/licensing
Look up kernel-restricted package for example. Different distributions
have different objectives. Let's just accept that and not try to be
mimic what others do.
>>
>> Yep. I have already set the stories straight many times and I will
>> continue to do so.
> Seems to be working well, since Fedora's popularity appears to be
> falling.....
Those two are not connected.
>
> I see nothing from Fedora that indicates that its addressing valid and
> real issues that hamper the ability for users to switch or even in some
> cases, recommend, Fedora. The fact that Fedora seems to be loosing
> favor, only proves to me, that what ever is being do, is not working.
>
> Maybe I am wrong.. maybe everyone in the LUGs around have it right... I
> don't know.
It would nice to have a list of those real world issues and what changes
is expected. Other than the suggestion that we include proprietary
software either in the distribution or as a repository, do you have any
other ideas?
Rahul
17 years, 7 months
[Fedora-marketing-list] Re: [Ambassadors] Raleigh, we have a problem ...
by Rahul Sundaram
Michael J. Knox wrote:
> Hi Rahul,
>
> Not a conspiracy theory at all, I was in IRC chatting with Mike Harris
> chatting about this subject, I was there reading the fedora-devel@
> mailing lists. I am nor blind nor stupid. To state that I am spreading a
> "conspiracy theory" is crap. Thanks Rahul.
The conspiracy theory is that we are making things deliberately a black
art which is not true at all.
>
> Basically "The conclusion was that the interests of Fedora users using
> proprietary NVidia modules outweigh the interests of other users who
> would benefit from this update."[1]
Amazingly bad conclusion. So much for a detailed explanation of the
process. We might as well as have not discussed this issue and conveyed
the ideas better. What instead happened was that at the time we were
discussing this issue, the Xorg maintainer happened to Ajax and he had
no intention on his own to provide a update and we decided that we need
to have a general update policy and until then the updates would be a
maintainer's decision.
>
> I was also there when everyone was berating Eric S. Raymond for the mere
> suggestion of RedHat making it easier for end users to add MP3 and DVD
> support. The sheer notation of doing so, left the fedora-devel mailing
> looking like a kindergarden play yard (not too mention IRC).Fedora's
> attitude towards those that do need 3rd party, non-distributable or
> non-free, is doing it damage. I am just telling you how it is out there,
> out side your little RedHat office....
First, lets stop with belittling other people. My Fedora work has
nothing to do with Red Hat. I have been involved with Fedora much before
I joined Red Hat so what office I am in is completely irrelevant to the
current discussion. I have spend enough time "out there" too to
understand the issues that pop up quite often.
ESR didnt merely come up with a polite request to add MP3 support. He
claimed incorrect things about the patents not covering decoders. The
mail was full of inflammatory leads.
> Its not a conspiracy when I front up to a LUG and have to answer the
> whys? of users not interested in using Fedora and then relay that to the
> ambassador list!!
If some users wont be interested until we include proprietary software
by default in Fedora, then we are already aware of that. As a
ambassadors, it would be your job to point out the project's objectives
politely.
>
> Instead of telling me I am spreading "unfounded claims" and "conspiracy
> theories" on what I have just relied to you, based on first hand end
> user experiences, why don't you make a founded effort to help set the
> story straight?
Yep. I have already set the stories straight many times and I will
continue to do so.
Why don't you, as a member of the Fedora Project Board
> and a member of the Fedora Ambassador Steering commitee, do something to
> help the Fedora advocates actually advocate for their platform of
> choice, instead of telling to "stop the silly conspiracy theories" ?
>
> Or is that too much to expect?
You assume this is not already been done. Suffice to say, this is not true.
Rahul
17 years, 7 months
