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Re: Distrowatch dot com judgment of Fedora's relation with the "community"

by Rahul Sundaram

Ladislav Bodnar wrote: > I wish you guys complained earlier, when we were having a discussion > about each distro's description. I did ask for input, but as far as I > can remember, there were no complaints about that particular point. > Now the article has been translated to 7 languages so changing any > text is no longer as simple as editing one line. Also, I'd prefer if > any particular complaint/suggestion came directly from the user > community, not from people who have a redhat.com or fedoraproject.org > in their email addresses, since you are likely to be biased. > > Anyway, I am now going to switch my main system to Fedora (I rotate > distributions every 6 months in order to be more objective about > covering them) so hopefully I'll get a bit more involved with the > Fedora community soon. Alternatively, you can try to rally your users > - if I receive 100 emails saying that Fedora is every bit as > community-oriented as Ubuntu or Debian or openSUSE, I will concede > that I was wrong. > > Cheers :-) > > Ladislav If translation is the issue, I am sure we can ask our translators to help out in that. Everybody is biased Ladislav. I just make mine more explicit in my email address. If mass spam is what will convince you that can surely be arranged too ;-). Welcome to Fedora again. Let us know what your impressions are when you get sometime with Fedora 7. I look forward to any reviews. Rahul

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Re: Liberations fonts from Red Hat

by chasd

Charles Dostale said : >>> Is it a guideline that marketing materials only contain / use freely >>> licensed fonts ? Rahul Sundaram said : >> Definitely. If there any choice at all in the matter we should use >> fonts >> that have no or minimum restrictions. Nicolas Mailhot said : > And we already have such fonts in Fedora. And we don't have the > Arial/TNR metric contraint on our own documents. Yes, agreed. My above question appeared from the train of thought around the new fonts, I did not wish to imply any guideline should limit marketing materials to only the Liberation font. Just trying to make Fedora the best that Free can be. Charles Dostale

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Re: Liberations fonts from Red Hat

by chasd

> http://www.press.redhat.com/2007/05/09/liberation-fonts/ Excellent news. Should Fedora web sites, promotional documents, presentations, and documentations use these fonts ? Is it a guideline that marketing materials only contain / use freely licensed fonts ? If Fedora decides to ship these fonts, it would be nice to have Embedded OpenType and/or TrueDoc font files as part of the RPM package. Charles Dostale

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Distrowatch dot com judgment of Fedora's relation with the "community"

by rerushg＠homexpressway.net

>Herman writes... >Or is there (still) some truth in his statement? Yes, there is truth in it, still. I wrote about this to this group a month or so ago. I won't regurgitate all that here. >"Cons: Less community-oriented than other major distributions....." That's what Distrowatch said. I'd be curious to hear what others think this statement actually means. What do you think "less community-oriented" means? And Rahul has written a wonderfully constructed reply. Don't get me wrong. I like Fedora. But I'm not an "insider" so I don't necessarily feel compelled to leap to its defence. Perhaps someone should play a bit of "devil's advocate" here. Would it be worthwhile, Rahul, to probe Mr. Bodnar a bit on this matter? That is: "Why do you feel this way?".... "Are there facts (complaints, etc.) that justify the comment or is it a 'general perception'?".....etc... Point is: Maybe there is something to be learned here so it might first be useful to understand the authors meaning, sources, and motivation. Further: As Linux Desktop moves, rapidly it seems, from the tech world (where Fedora shines) to the consumer world, facts become less important and give way to perception. Jessica Simpson TV ad on 1080i HDTV: "I totally don't know what it is but I want it". Pretty much says it all. If Mr. Bodnar is conveying a perception felt within the general Linux public it's important to understand that and deal with it. Rick

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Liberations fonts from Red Hat

by Rahul Sundaram

Hi http://www.press.redhat.com/2007/05/09/liberation-fonts/ Red Hat has released Liberation fonts under the GPL+ fonts exception license. Liberation fonts are metric equivalent to key Microsoft fonts. This is a major milestone and significantly enhances the interoperability of documents and content under these Microsoft fonts in Linux. Red Hat has included third party licensed fonts in the extras/supplementary channel for this purpose to Red Hat Enterprise Linux customers before. Some end users have been building packages with the restricted Microsoft core fonts but these have only been only short term solutions. What has been provided now closes one of the significant usabilit gaps for the Free software world and Fedora out of the box. The initial font sets include Latin, Greek and Cyrillic characters and lacks hinting. The next update is planned to have hinting and support for other locales. They are available now in the Fedora 7 Preview Live DVD specially created for the Red Hat summit. I believe the plan it to make these available in the Fedora repository via the regular review process. Enjoy! Rahul

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Distrowatch dot com judgment of Fedora's relation with the "community"

by hymno

Hi everyone, I translated the recently refreshed section of "Major distributions" on distrowatch.com into Dutch. That text is in fact the opinion of the site's owner, Ladislav Bodnar. It's not "the gospel", but I do suspect many people new to Linux will check that page out and take its content for relatively authoritative. There was one remark on Fedora that I couldn't agree with. http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=major&language=EN "Cons: Less community-oriented than other major distributions; its priorities tend to lean towards enterprise features, rather than desktop usability" I don't really agree with the 2nd line either, which is not really important to argue about (leads to a lot of nonsense on non-free stuff anyway), but especially since Fedora 7's merger of Core and Extras, the live spin thing, etc., I think that the first line, "Less community-oriented than other major distributions" is simply no longer true - if it ever was. Could "y'all" or some of you come up with good arguments to present to Mr. Bodnar (on this list, I mean), so I can object to this in a convincing manner? Or is there (still) some truth in his statement? thanks, Herman

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Mascot - Blue Arrara

by Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 NEW VERSION Colored Version at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/Mascot By Ronaldo Padula Colours by Jayme Ayres Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira Brazilian Fedora Project -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGFVtTPg3HAC1vlg4RApbPAKCrx/liVVM86Na/PzxNh1O+dKTvbQCgoDPX w7btAOpFORp4S5aHrOaG+Cg= =7KP9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Distrowatch on Fedora repo merge and digg article

by Rahul Sundaram

Hi The long-promised merge of Fedora's core and extras repositories is finally under way: "Merge is going well now. A bunch of hiccups early on as we moved our test scripts into acting with real bits and databases and such, but now that that's over..." As for the hiccups, Jesse Keating explains: "We're scrambling to create ppc64 builds of all the extras packages, as those didn't exist before, but now they will be built for ppc64. Also we need to hook up some software to make rawhide appear. It may just be in package repo form (not installable) to begin with, we'll see. I wouldn't expect anything this weekend." For more information about the merge and other Fedora topics, please check out the latest issue of Fedora Weekly News. http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20070507#news Digg this up folks http://digg.com/linux_unix/Fedora_merging_Core_and_Extras_repositories_today Rahul

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Follow Up: Re: Thank you for the free media

by Karlie Robinson

I Heard Back from Hashim and he's given permission to use his earlier email on the Fedora Project website. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Reply to questions Date: Sun, 06 May 2007 17:04:30 +0200 From: shan han <shineves(a)msn.com> To: karlie_robinson(a)webpath.net Hello again, Karlie. thank you for your email, hope you are well, I haven't checked my email for a week but i will write all the answer below after your question in capital letters. Karlie Robinson wrote: > Hello, Hashim. > > Thank you for your email. I hope you don't mind, but I forwarded it to the Fedora Marketing email list and as I had hoped, it made a lot of people really happy. YES IT DID. > > In fact, Greg Dekoenigsberg, the Fedora Community Development Manager replied to say "Awesome, Karlie. This note gave a lot of folks inside of Red Hat a boost today." > > You see, we send a lot of discs through Free Media and very few people take the time to send a thank you note - let alone a note as nice as yours. > > Some of the Fedora Ambassadors were wondering if we could print your letter on the Fedora Website? YES YOU CAN PRINT IT IN THERE. {SNIP} This is where Hashim and I talk about getting more FOSS from On-Disk since I was truly inspired by the number of people who go use from that single FC6 Sponsored Media disc we sent. ~Karlie

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Presentation

by pingou

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[MOVED TO DISCOURSE] Fedora Marketing - https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/tag/marketing May 2007