2:54 p.m.
Hi all,
I was wondering how I could contribute for this list. Something came
across my mind, and I'm not really sure if this kind of documentation
exists already, if not I'm willing to put this up as a Project for
Fedora Community and thus contributing actively for the Marketing List.
The main idea is not making something useless, instead I would believe
this would help at a later stage on strategical planning, and from my
personal point of view, will help me as well, since by doing this I can
eventually get a more objective insight about the current state of
Fedora.
My proposal is to elaborate a SWOT Analysis for Fedora
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SWOT_analysis). Performing this
contribution won't at any level interfere with Fedora neither with the
current tasks being developed on the field.
This can be done to cover many aspects, and for that I would ask from
this list which aspects you want to be covered, like: Reputation in
Market, etc etc etc.
Please provide feedback and information (if something like this has
been done in the past).
I'm willing to put the required time on this (I have loads of time for
the next months since I'm recovering from a nervous problem) and make
this happen. Will it be welcomed ?
Nelson.
4:48 a.m.
On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 2:54 AM, Nelson Marques <07721(a)ipam.pt> wrote:
[snip]
My proposal is to elaborate a SWOT Analysis for Fedora
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SWOT_analysis). Performing this
contribution won't at any level interfere with Fedora neither with the
current tasks being developed on the field.
This can be done to cover many aspects, and for that I would ask from
this list which aspects you want to be covered, like: Reputation in
Market, etc etc etc.
Please provide feedback and information (if something like this has
been done in the past).
Possibly not.
[snip]
+1. great idea. a SWOT analysis will show new aspects.
cheers // Imtiaz Rahi
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life."
4:59 a.m.
On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 4:18 PM, Imtiaz Rahi <imtiaz.rahi(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 2:54 AM, Nelson Marques <07721(a)ipam.pt>
wrote:
>
> My proposal is to elaborate a SWOT Analysis for Fedora
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SWOT_analysis). Performing this
> contribution won't at any level interfere with Fedora neither with the
> current tasks being developed on the field.
>
> This can be done to cover many aspects, and for that I would ask from
> this list which aspects you want to be covered, like: Reputation in
> Market, etc etc etc.
>
> Please provide feedback and information (if something like this has
> been done in the past).
Possibly not.
>
> [snip]
+1. great idea. a SWOT analysis will show new aspects.
+1
I add my thoughts below:
Strengths: Awesome for developers, Bleeding edge of open source, A
real (and maybe only) showcase for F/LOSS
Weaknesses: Not very well integrated with KDE, Many people feel the
release support cycle is too low at ~13 months.
Opportunities: Arise out of weakness as well as strengths, hence: More
KDE integration. Have KDE as a main Live CD (alongside GNOME based)
rather than as a spin. A better HCL (on the lines of SuSE [1]).
Threats: Users tend to be frightened by the complexities, as with most
distros. Show off ease of use as a feature. Penchant for bleeding edge
may push stability to the brink.
Do add more, or finetune these.
[1]: http://en.opensuse.org/HCL/
--
Salvadesswaran Srinivasan
http://www.twitter.com/salva_eswar
http://queasyquagmire.wordpress.com
7:38 a.m.
On 02/22/2010 05:59 AM, Salvadesswaran P.S. wrote:
On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 4:18 PM, Imtiaz
Rahi<imtiaz.rahi(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 2:54 AM, Nelson Marques<07721(a)ipam.pt> wrote:
>
>>
>> My proposal is to elaborate a SWOT Analysis for Fedora
>> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SWOT_analysis). Performing this
>> contribution won't at any level interfere with Fedora neither with the
>> current tasks being developed on the field.
>>
>> This can be done to cover many aspects, and for that I would ask from
>> this list which aspects you want to be covered, like: Reputation in
>> Market, etc etc etc.
>>
>> Please provide feedback and information (if something like this has
>> been done in the past).
Go for it - you're already going about things the right way by sharing
your thoughts-in-progress and asking for feedback on this list. Keep
doing that, and the rest of us will throw in ideas and course
corrections as things go along (as people are already starting to do).
I might also suggest blogging about this as you go along on Planet
Fedora - instructions for that are at
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join_Fedora_Planet - that way people in
the Fedora community outside the Marketing team will see your
work-in-progress and make comments as well.
--Mel
1:11 p.m.
On Mon, 2010-02-22 at 08:38 -0500, Mel Chua wrote:
On 02/22/2010 05:59 AM, Salvadesswaran P.S. wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 4:18 PM, Imtiaz Rahi<imtiaz.rahi(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 2:54 AM, Nelson Marques<07721(a)ipam.pt> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> My proposal is to elaborate a SWOT Analysis for Fedora
>>> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SWOT_analysis). Performing this
>>> contribution won't at any level interfere with Fedora neither with the
>>> current tasks being developed on the field.
>>>
>>> This can be done to cover many aspects, and for that I would ask from
>>> this list which aspects you want to be covered, like: Reputation in
>>> Market, etc etc etc.
>>>
>>> Please provide feedback and information (if something like this has
>>> been done in the past).
Go for it - you're already going about things the right way by sharing
your thoughts-in-progress and asking for feedback on this list. Keep
doing that, and the rest of us will throw in ideas and course
corrections as things go along (as people are already starting to do).
I might also suggest blogging about this as you go along on Planet
Fedora - instructions for that are at
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join_Fedora_Planet - that way people in
the Fedora community outside the Marketing team will see your
work-in-progress and make comments as well.
Thanks for the encouraging thought on this one. I'm going to start on
this by collecting available information and perform a small sketch on
how it should look like.
In the future we can establish a formal update on the analysis for
every release and keep it updated so that everyone on the Fedora
Universe can be up-to-date with what we are trying to correct and
improve. I would recon that time will prove such tool as a good support
for strategical decisions.
I'm on it, from this point on, this is my fight.
Nelson
--Mel
1:41 p.m.
My thoughts on Fedora SWOT
Strengths: Free and open minded project. Contributors are the highlight
Weaknesses:
1. Rapidly moving packages and cutting edge which are sometimes not stable
and well integrated
2. Perceived as developer distribution, non-tech / general users does not
see Fedora fit for them
Opportunities: Get more user mindshare and expand distro user base
Threats: Other Linux distros, specially desktop ones
cheers // Imtiaz Rahi
1:47 p.m.
Hy,
I'm on it, from this point on, this is my fight.
Just a sideline: remember our 4Foundations: Freedom | Friends | Features
| First
There is no war in it and we are all friends in one big community ;-)
So, have fun & enjoy...
mit freundlichen Grüßen / best regards
Henrik Heigl - wonderer(a)fedoraproject.org
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2:05 p.m.
On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 1:47 PM, wonderer <wonderer4711(a)gmx.de> wrote:
Hy,
> I'm on it, from this point on, this is my fight.
>
>
Just a sideline: remember our 4Foundations: Freedom | Friends | Features
| First
There is no war in it and we are all friends in one big community ;-)
So, have fun & enjoy...
Oportunities and Threats are subjective and tend to vary depending on
what goals are.
I think that you should be in tune with Marketing FAD, which is coming
soon. There will be some discussion about Fedora's Marketing
strategies and therefore we should review goals. There is opportunity
for remote participation.
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_FAD_2010
Best regards.
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2:16 p.m.
On Mon, 2010-02-22 at 14:05 -0600, Neville A. Cross wrote:
On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 1:47 PM, wonderer <wonderer4711(a)gmx.de>
wrote:
> Hy,
>> I'm on it, from this point on, this is my fight.
>>
>>
> Just a sideline: remember our 4Foundations: Freedom | Friends | Features
> | First
>
> There is no war in it and we are all friends in one big community ;-)
> So, have fun & enjoy...
>
>
Oportunities and Threats are subjective and tend to vary depending on
what goals are.
I think that you should be in tune with Marketing FAD, which is coming
soon. There will be some discussion about Fedora's Marketing
strategies and therefore we should review goals. There is opportunity
for remote participation.
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_FAD_2010
Best regards.
Opportunities and Threats come mainly from competitors in the same
market. This mainly our position towards other distributions like
openSuSE, Ubuntu, etc. I find them not subjective, but instead very
objective. It's not related to our goals, it should be relating to our
competitors.
Quick Example:
Threat: Novell's AppArmour (threatens our SE Linux technology).
Opportunities: Low Cost ARM arch based notebooks flooding the market.
This is an opportunity to expand our presence.
I don't really find it that subjective. In fact our Strength and
Weaknesses are more subjective than this (from my perspective).
Nelson.
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3:37 p.m.
> Oportunities and Threats are subjective and tend to vary
depending on
> what goals are.
> I think that you should be in tune with Marketing FAD, which is coming
> soon. There will be some discussion about Fedora's Marketing
> strategies and therefore we should review goals. There is opportunity
> for remote participation.
>
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_FAD_2010
>
> Best regards.
Opportunities and Threats come mainly from competitors in the same
market. This mainly our position towards other distributions like
openSuSE, Ubuntu, etc. I find them not subjective, but instead very
objective. It's not related to our goals, it should be relating to our
competitors.
Quick Example:
Threat: Novell's AppArmour (threatens our SE Linux technology).
Opportunities: Low Cost ARM arch based notebooks flooding the market.
This is an opportunity to expand our presence.
I don't really find it that subjective. In fact our Strength and
Weaknesses are more subjective than this (from my perspective).
+1
imtiaz
6:32 p.m.
On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Imtiaz Rahi <imtiaz.rahi(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Opportunities and Threats come mainly from competitors in the
same
> market. This mainly our position towards other distributions like
> openSuSE, Ubuntu, etc. I find them not subjective, but instead very
> objective. It's not related to our goals, it should be relating to our
> competitors.
>
> Quick Example:
>
> Threat: Novell's AppArmour (threatens our SE Linux technology).
> Opportunities: Low Cost ARM arch based notebooks flooding the market.
> This is an opportunity to expand our presence.
>
>
> I don't really find it that subjective. In fact our Strength and
> Weaknesses are more subjective than this (from my perspective).
+1
Oh! Well... I may be wrong. But, Nelson, please take into account the
invitation that I make to follow the work of the Marketing FAD. The
Saturday, March 13th will be dedicated to marketing strategy.
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_FAD_2010#Day_1_.28Saturday.2C_Ma...
Best regards
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6:43 p.m.
On Mon, 2010-02-22 at 18:32 -0600, Neville A. Cross wrote:
On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Imtiaz Rahi
<imtiaz.rahi(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> Opportunities and Threats come mainly from competitors in the same
>> market. This mainly our position towards other distributions like
>> openSuSE, Ubuntu, etc. I find them not subjective, but instead very
>> objective. It's not related to our goals, it should be relating to our
>> competitors.
>>
>> Quick Example:
>>
>> Threat: Novell's AppArmour (threatens our SE Linux technology).
>> Opportunities: Low Cost ARM arch based notebooks flooding the market.
>> This is an opportunity to expand our presence.
>>
>>
>> I don't really find it that subjective. In fact our Strength and
>> Weaknesses are more subjective than this (from my perspective).
>
>
> +1
>
Oh! Well... I may be wrong. But, Nelson
Not at all. All points of view are relevant, mine is different, doesn't
mean either us is wrong. I am far from having the insight most people
are. It's just a different approach.
, please take into account the
invitation that I make to follow the work of the Marketing FAD. The
Saturday, March 13th will be dedicated to marketing strategy.
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_FAD_2010#Day_1_.28Saturday.2C_Ma...
Best regards
--
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8:27 a.m.
Am 22.02.2010 11:59, schrieb Salvadesswaran P.S.:
On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 4:18 PM, Imtiaz Rahi
<imtiaz.rahi(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 2:54 AM, Nelson Marques <07721(a)ipam.pt> wrote:
>
>
>> My proposal is to elaborate a SWOT Analysis for Fedora
>> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SWOT_analysis). Performing this
>> contribution won't at any level interfere with Fedora neither with the
>> current tasks being developed on the field.
>>
>> This can be done to cover many aspects, and for that I would ask from
>> this list which aspects you want to be covered, like: Reputation in
>> Market, etc etc etc.
>>
>> Please provide feedback and information (if something like this has
>> been done in the past).
>>
> Possibly not.
>
>> [snip]
>>
> +1. great idea. a SWOT analysis will show new aspects.
>
+1
So, now we have https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/SWOT to fill
with thoughts and ideas...
It is a good tool to have such SWOT analysis, but I give to think that
that is a longtime prognosis. There are many factor to think about and
to fill in, but later we have much less work if we do "real" marketing...
Here are my thoughts so far:
Strengths: our community (Ambassadors and Developers mostly)
Weaknesses: Sponsors (We have ONE big and strong sponsor, but from
market perspective that is a weakness)
Opportunities: show new features at first (one of our foundations)
Threats: Influences from outside (e.g. SSH Key weakening some month ago)
best regards
Henrik - Ambassador
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Wonderer
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