6:50 a.m.
For a while, we were using a HootSuite free account to manage
multi-party access to the Twitter @fedora account. (By rigging up a
ping.fm feed in HS, we had the ability to post to Udenti.ca and thus
echo through Twitter as well.) Using HS allowed us to spread access to
multiple team members without having to insecurely spread the password
around.
Due to HS changing their free/paid structure, though, we've no longer
had the ability to do this for some time. Instead, we have shared
password access to the Identi.ca and Twitter accounts. HS is getting
ready to deactivate access for extra people to our free account there,
making that account virtually useless. The alternatives AFAICT are:
* Switch to a paid account, where we also pay for each additional team
member. A total team size of 4 would run a little over $600 a year.
* Continue to share the password for Identi.ca/Twitter. To augment our
tracking capability I can set up some mail forwarding rules to notify
team members of conversations.
When we originally started HS we did so with some trepidation given it
was a non-FOSS service. I'm not really shot in the arm by paying for
the service, unless we have a clear idea of what that gains us. I
briefly surveyed free tools again and have found nothing that offers
the "many people share a social presence" features of HS. But do we
need their console, analytics, etc. to fulfill some goals? To what
extent are we comfortable or willing to pay for a non-FOSS service for
marketing purposes?
Paul
6:57 a.m.
On 06/27/2011 05:20 PM, Paul Frields wrote:
When we originally started HS we did so with some trepidation given
it
was a non-FOSS service. I'm not really shot in the arm by paying for
the service, unless we have a clear idea of what that gains us. I
briefly surveyed free tools again and have found nothing that offers
the "many people share a social presence" features of HS. But do we
need their console, analytics, etc. to fulfill some goals? To what
extent are we comfortable or willing to pay for a non-FOSS service for
marketing purposes?
I don't think we should. If we really need this, we need to invest in
developing something that is free and open source and share it with the
community.
Rahul
7:14 a.m.
On 06/27/2011 01:57 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
I don't think we should. If we really need this, we need to
invest in
developing something that is free and open source and share it with the
community.
Take a look at brdcst.it[1] - GPLv3. Combined with piwik[2] could
deliver even more ;-)
Jan
[1] https://gitorious.org/brdcst and brdcst.org
[2] http://www.piwik.org
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On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 8:14 PM, Jan Wildeboer <jwildebo(a)redhat.com> wrote:
On 06/27/2011 01:57 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> I don't think we should. If we really need this, we need to invest in
> developing something that is free and open source and share it with the
> community.
Take a look at brdcst.it[1] - GPLv3. Combined with piwik[2] could
deliver even more ;-)
+1
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7:38 a.m.
On 06/27/2011 02:25 PM, Gerard Braad wrote:
> Take a look at brdcst.it[1] - GPLv3. Combined with piwik[2]
could
> > deliver even more ;-)
+1
+1 absolutely.
Another alternative would be hellotxt.com though it's no FLOSS service.
It's similar to ping.fm and delivers messages out to various social
networks.
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7:40 a.m.
For ping.fm alternatives you ifttt or friendfeed!
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 2:38 PM, Vinzenz Vietzke <vinz(a)fedoraproject.org>wrote:
On 06/27/2011 02:25 PM, Gerard Braad wrote:
>> Take a look at brdcst.it[1] - GPLv3. Combined with piwik[2] could
>> > deliver even more ;-)
> +1
>
+1 absolutely.
Another alternative would be hellotxt.com though it's no FLOSS service.
It's similar to ping.fm and delivers messages out to various social
networks.
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12:47 p.m.
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 02:38:08PM +0200, Vinzenz Vietzke wrote:
On 06/27/2011 02:25 PM, Gerard Braad wrote:
>> Take a look at brdcst.it[1] - GPLv3. Combined with piwik[2] could
>> > deliver even more ;-)
> +1
>
+1 absolutely.
Another alternative would be hellotxt.com though it's no FLOSS service.
It's similar to ping.fm and delivers messages out to various social
networks.
Getting messages out to several places is not really the problem --
sharing accounts is. And using non-FLOSS puts us right back in the
same boat, beholden to someone whose ToS could change at any time
without any recourse to pick up the code and roll our own.
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On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 08:25:26PM +0800, Gerard Braad wrote:
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 8:14 PM, Jan Wildeboer
<jwildebo(a)redhat.com> wrote:
> On 06/27/2011 01:57 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>> I don't think we should. If we really need this, we need to invest in
>> developing something that is free and open source and share it with the
>> community.
> Take a look at brdcst.it[1] - GPLv3. Combined with piwik[2] could
> deliver even more ;-)
+1
Someone would have to write the support for brdcst.it to support
shared/multiple logins. Are you guys volunteering?
By the way, I'm also (as you guys wrote) -1 for using HootSuite any
further. But let's be honest that no one has stepped up to write the
code, so we'll simply need to limp along with sharing passwords until
that happens.
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8:24 a.m.
On 06/27/2011 03:22 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote:
Someone would have to write the support for brdcst.it to support
shared/multiple logins. Are you guys volunteering?
Not really. brdcst can use any RSS/Atom as source and broadcast it to
multiple destinations.
So would be sufficient to have one single combined feed IMHO.
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12:49 p.m.
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 03:24:19PM +0200, Jan Wildeboer wrote:
On 06/27/2011 03:22 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote:
> Someone would have to write the support for brdcst.it to support
> shared/multiple logins. Are you guys volunteering?
Not really. brdcst can use any RSS/Atom as source and broadcast it to
multiple destinations.
So would be sufficient to have one single combined feed IMHO.
So if we have an RSS feed supplied with limited length messages (140
chars), we could make brdcst.it work? That would be cool -- and
possibly something we could do with Insight.
Any suggestions for what we do about answering questions or comments
via dent/tweet to our various @fedora accounts? Replies to those
typically go to the single service involved.
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7:26 a.m.
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 7:50 AM, Paul Frields <stickster(a)gmail.com> wrote:
When we originally started HS we did so with some trepidation given
it
was a non-FOSS service. I'm not really shot in the arm by paying for
the service, unless we have a clear idea of what that gains us. I
briefly surveyed free tools again and have found nothing that offers
the "many people share a social presence" features of HS. But do we
need their console, analytics, etc. to fulfill some goals? To what
extent are we comfortable or willing to pay for a non-FOSS service for
marketing purposes?
I'm not comfortable paying for a HootSuite account. I'd prefer to
look for a FOSS tool, or continue to do what we're doing.
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7:38 a.m.
Although I am not part of the Marketing team I agree with Jared to find FOSS
alternatives. Identi.ca has it's own default option to auto-post to Twitter
and you can even post to identi.ca via email so you can then create an list
which auto-sends emails to identi.ca's email.
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 2:26 PM, Jared K. Smith <jsmith(a)fedoraproject.org>wrote:
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 7:50 AM, Paul Frields
<stickster(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> When we originally started HS we did so with some trepidation given it
> was a non-FOSS service. I'm not really shot in the arm by paying for
> the service, unless we have a clear idea of what that gains us. I
> briefly surveyed free tools again and have found nothing that offers
> the "many people share a social presence" features of HS. But do we
> need their console, analytics, etc. to fulfill some goals? To what
> extent are we comfortable or willing to pay for a non-FOSS service for
> marketing purposes?
I'm not comfortable paying for a HootSuite account. I'd prefer to
look for a FOSS tool, or continue to do what we're doing.
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12:52 p.m.
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 02:38:57PM +0200, Gent Thaçi wrote:
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 2:26 PM, Jared K. Smith
<jsmith(a)fedoraproject.org>wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 7:50 AM, Paul Frields <stickster(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > When we originally started HS we did so with some trepidation given it
> > was a non-FOSS service. I'm not really shot in the arm by paying for
> > the service, unless we have a clear idea of what that gains us. I
> > briefly surveyed free tools again and have found nothing that offers
> > the "many people share a social presence" features of HS. But do we
> > need their console, analytics, etc. to fulfill some goals? To what
> > extent are we comfortable or willing to pay for a non-FOSS service for
> > marketing purposes?
>
> I'm not comfortable paying for a HootSuite account. I'd prefer to
> look for a FOSS tool, or continue to do what we're doing.
Although I am not part of the Marketing team I agree with Jared to find FOSS
alternatives. Identi.ca has it's own default option to auto-post to Twitter
and you can even post to identi.ca via email so you can then create an list
which auto-sends emails to identi.ca's email.
This doesn't correspond well with your suggestions of ifttt or
friendfeed, but regardless I'm in favor of FOSS, as I think most
people here are. I'd like to turn those +1 votes into some more
concrete solutions, and people who will be willing to put in a few
hours on technical bits we might need to implement them.
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7:34 p.m.
Btw, what about CoTweet: http://cotweet.com/ Many FOSS Projects use it for
their Twitter account such as Mozilla for their @firefox account!
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Paul W. Frields <stickster(a)gmail.com>wrote:
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 02:38:57PM +0200, Gent Thaçi wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 2:26 PM, Jared K. Smith <
jsmith(a)fedoraproject.org>wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 7:50 AM, Paul Frields <stickster(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> > > When we originally started HS we did so with some trepidation given
it
> > > was a non-FOSS service. I'm not really shot in the arm by paying for
> > > the service, unless we have a clear idea of what that gains us. I
> > > briefly surveyed free tools again and have found nothing that offers
> > > the "many people share a social presence" features of HS. But do
we
> > > need their console, analytics, etc. to fulfill some goals? To what
> > > extent are we comfortable or willing to pay for a non-FOSS service
for
> > > marketing purposes?
> >
> > I'm not comfortable paying for a HootSuite account. I'd prefer to
> > look for a FOSS tool, or continue to do what we're doing.
>
> Although I am not part of the Marketing team I agree with Jared to find
FOSS
> alternatives. Identi.ca has it's own default option to auto-post to
Twitter
> and you can even post to identi.ca via email so you can then create an
list
> which auto-sends emails to identi.ca's email.
This doesn't correspond well with your suggestions of ifttt or
friendfeed, but regardless I'm in favor of FOSS, as I think most
people here are. I'd like to turn those +1 votes into some more
concrete solutions, and people who will be willing to put in a few
hours on technical bits we might need to implement them.
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On Sat, Jul 02, 2011 at 02:34:33AM +0200, Gent Thaçi wrote:
Btw, what about CoTweet: http://cotweet.com/ Many FOSS Projects use
it for
their Twitter account such as Mozilla for their @firefox account!
Not a free software service. There's a difference between it being free
software and free software projects using it.
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Ian, I know the differences but in case you may wanted to use it!
On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 5:04 AM, Ian Weller <ian(a)ianweller.org> wrote:
On Sat, Jul 02, 2011 at 02:34:33AM +0200, Gent Thaçi wrote:
> Btw, what about CoTweet: http://cotweet.com/ Many FOSS Projects use it
for
> their Twitter account such as Mozilla for their @firefox account!
Not a free software service. There's a difference between it being free
software and free software projects using it.
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